BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 9 minutes ago, Jay said: New recording. Speedy too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 1 minute ago, Blumenkohl said: Speedy too. It's better than any version Williams ever did, right? Just say it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Just now, Stefancos said: It's better than any version Williams ever did, right? Just say it! Williams is an old man, he can't wave a baton as fast as a Star Wars score demands! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 I thought it was a noticeably inferior performance, it sounded jarring to me (and the transition from Hope was clunky as all get out). Not Mr. Big and artguy360 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Just listened to this album for the first (and second) time last night while I was baking cookies, and then I listened to the run of the last 5 tracks a few more times in the car this morning. I really like the new themes - especially the Krennic theme, the "Hope" theme (I'm assuming that's what it's for - the theme that underscores the "Rogue One" title card), and the Whills theme - especially the choral performance in the last track. Some of the underscore in the middle portion doesn't do an awful lot for me, TBH. lostoman17 and DarthDementous 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 22, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 22, 2016 I'd liken exploring the intricacies of the Force Awakens score in the month following its release to going on a voyage of discovery on a wide ocean; it was truly exciting. Exploring the Rogue One score is like splashing around in the kiddie pool at a Disney hotel. All of his choices are screamingly obvious. Stuart, who just listened to the newest Star Wars Oxygen EDIT: Oh! And this isn't to say that I'm not enjoying the score more than I did a week ago. The melodies and the movie itself have had time to ingratiate themselves to me over this week. I'm just noting that this time isn't as thrilling as the same period last year. Taikomochi, lostoman17, Not Mr. Big and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 22, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 22, 2016 Cerebral Cortex, mstrox and Not Mr. Big 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 1 minute ago, BloodBoal said: So basically, listening to TFA is like being a sailor, while listening to Rogue One is like being a.. paedo? Makesyathink MikeH and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 2 hours ago, BloodBoal said: So basically, listening to TFA is like being a sailor, while listening to Rogue One is like being a.. paedo? Being a sailor is AWESOME! Most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,206 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 And the other one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Pieter_Boelen said: Being a paedo is AWESOME! Most of the time. Wait...what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Well played. Could've been worse though. Could have said "ALL the time"! 16 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: And the other one? As per Stefan's post, I suppose the correct answer is to say that being a sailor can be pretty darn cool too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 I saw this yesterday. I was positively surprised of the music, it was mostly ok. But I cannot understand, when there was The Rogue One title there, this must be the composer's moment to shine but it was blandest ever! Even if I liked that theme later when there was a more gently version of it. What is wrong with this guy? In the end's sad moments it was all LOST, somehow strong but doesn't suite for SW. And I'm not biggest fan of the movie, fabulous looking and very complex battles but haven't we seen all of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 I think giacchino used the jyn/hope theme as williams used luke's (starwars) theme. So the episodes remain unique and this new spin off is not related to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Krennics theme is definitely my favorite of the new ones especially when it ends the FYC GoodluckLittlesister track Arpy and leeallen01 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curlytoot 97 Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 On 12/21/2016 at 9:05 PM, Jay said: Are the bits you're thinking of on the FYC? One or two of them are, but aside from them I'm mainly wishing I had the music that plays when they bust Jyn out of the tank on Wobani, when they first arrive at the Rebel base on Yavin 4, the several instances of the Hope theme that aren't on the album (one that comes to mind is the statement when Cassian and the crew of Rogue One approach Jyn after the Rebel meeting), and the elephant-like motif for the AT-ACTs in the battle. AFAIK these aren't on the FYC. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 54 minutes ago, curlytoot said: When they first arrive at the Rebel base on Yavin 4. Yeah, that was definitely a stand-out unreleased cue! Used Force theme and rebel fanfare IIRC. curlytoot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 24, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2016 Giacchino has said on twitter that he'd like to be a guest on Star Wars Oxygen to talk about Rogue One. I hope it happens so we can have a first hand account of the score. It's basically unheard of; that we get composers of these massive films on these specialised podcasts to talk in huge detail about things. I did interview Silvestri and McCreary a while back for my podcast, but it was mostly an overall interview and not about a specific score. Though we did get into some details about certain things like instrumentation and themes etc, especially with McCreary. Damien F, Will, DarthDementous and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 4 hours ago, leeallen01 said: Giacchino has said on twitter that he'd like to be a guest on Star Wars Oxygen to talk about Rogue One. I hope it happens so we can have a first hand account of the score. It's basically unheard of; that we get composers of these massive films on these specialised podcasts to talk in huge detail about things. I did interview Silvestri and McCreary a while back for my podcast, but it was mostly an overall interview and not about a specific score. Though we did get into some details about certain things like instrumentation and themes etc, especially with McCreary. Wow, that would be great to hear Gia say more about his score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Maybe we can prod him for an expanded release. Spam the podcast chatroom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 5 minutes ago, RPurton said: Maybe we can prod him for an expanded release. Spam the podcast chatroom! I think he actually hinted at that too on his twitter. That one day there may be an expanded Rogue One release. Arpy and DarthDementous 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,370 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 FYI if you hold your finger over the date a tweet is posted (so 22 Dec in the example above) and copy the link address and paste that here it in a post, the tweet will embed so you don't have to take a screenshot. leeallen01 and curlytoot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Having finally gotten around to listening to the score on its own, I have to say: I love it. I didn't spark to it the first time I saw the movie, but a rewatch and a listen to the CD have made it work for me. It's still not Williams, but how could it have been? It's vintage Giacchino, though, and that's plenty good enough for me. Here's hoping he comes back for the Han and Lando movie. leeallen01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 It is to leech money at a later date by doing another release. These days with digital releases, there is no such thing as limited space. This is not the 90's in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 There plenty of space un the CD...It is a 69 min release.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Film studios believe that people want shorter things or they'll get bored, despite the fact that 90% of the highest grossing films in history are more than 2 and a half hours long, and most are over 3 hours! It's the same with CD's releases. They think that people want around an hour score release, despite the fact that LOTR Complete Recordings keep selling out. Shorter films means more showings in a day at the cinema, so it is understandable, but shorter albums mean nothing to sale amounts. It's very frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 The LOTR Complete Recordings was the second wave of soundtrack releases for the films. They were able to make a ton of money off the first abbreviated albums, then release the bigger sets, which are still very incomplete and thus flawed if you believe all the anal people here. So they may still be able to milk the public with an enhanced completer set later. But if you release all the music in the first set, there's really nowhere to go later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 5 hours ago, leeallen01 said: Film studios believe that people want shorter things or they'll get bored, despite the fact that 90% of the highest grossing films in history are more than 2 and a half hours long, and most are over 3 hours! It's the same with CD's releases. They think that people want around an hour score release, despite the fact that LOTR Complete Recordings keep selling out. Shorter films means more showings in a day at the cinema, so it is understandable, but shorter albums mean nothing to sale amounts. Yes, it does, actually. Between an OST with just one CD for about $15-$20, and a set with 2-3 CDs for $40+, I'm pretty sure the sale amounts of the former are likely to be higher than that of the latter. Plus, most people don't care if the album doesn't have all the music that was in the film. In fact, most of them don't even know that the regular OST doesn't include all the music that was in the film. And finally, even if they do: what Wojo said. You can make people double dip by releasing the complete score later instead of right after the film's release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 1 hour ago, BloodBoal said: Yes, it does, actually. Between an OST with just one CD for about $15-$20, and a set with 2-3 CDs for $40+, I'm pretty sure the sale amounts of the former are likely to be higher than that of the latter. Yeah that's true, my bad, I guess I was mostly referring to exactly the situation of what Giacchino said with Rogue One; that there wasn't room and he had to choose. They could have easily put on another 10 minutes of music with still one disc and the price would be no different, so they can make it longer (within reason) and the sale amount wouldn't change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Certainly, some other genre album producers do release sampler albums in conjunction with more comprehensive releases. There is a four disc comprehensive Crosby, Stills, and Nash (and Young) rock set that was emphasized for North American markets, and a two disc sampler marketed in Europe. I did not realize that when I bought the two disc set, which is more than enough for me. Pink Floyd released a massively expensive multidisc anthology for 1969-1972 music, but also a two disc sampler. That's the version I'll at least buy. But the mainstream soundtrack market is still enough of a limited niche market, for the most part, that releasing complete and abridged albums simultaneously is very very rare. It's more economical to spread them out years apart. The timing of the two versions of each Hobbit set was very unique, and getting Varese' ST Beyond Deluxe this calendar year was just nuts. Look for the complete Rogue One by next Christmas, or in time at least for Rogue Two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 There's all sorts of little intricacies that I'm just picking up on now. In "Rebellions Are Built On Hope", at approximately 0:40, there's an English Horn playing what sounds suspiciously like the music that underscores Anakin's confession to Padme that he "killed them all" in AOTC. I'm also fairly sure I can hear hints of "It Can't Be" in "Krennic's Aspirations". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 I'm sure there is "more than meets the ear" than one would think at first listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Not wishful thinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 6 hours ago, Gistech said: There's all sorts of little intricacies that I'm just picking up on now. In "Rebellions Are Built On Hope", at approximately 0:40, there's an English Horn playing what sounds suspiciously like the music that underscores Anakin's confession to Padme that he "killed them all" in AOTC. Isn't that just Dies Irae? (which seems to be all over the score due to its influence on Jyn's theme) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 534 Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 I thought we would have had an expanded or complete Force Awakens release by now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 We won't get the expansive alternates filled album until well after all three films are in the public domain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 They are Disney, mate. They will NEVER be public domain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 I didn't mean literally. Was talking plots... blu-ray trilogy boxsets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Ah. Yeah I doubt we will see an expansion before the trilogy finishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 I like to think that the 4 week work timeline is responsible for the odd moments of jumbled music like the huge fanfare leading up to the reveal of Vader's castle. Gia has written much better bad guy fanfare-ish in the past that is far more focused and clear. Thankfully the underscore to Vader's 1st scene is solid throughout with nice uses of 2 Vader themes and of course Hope knocks it out of the park with great horror-like music for Vader's rampage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 27, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 27, 2016 So just saw the film. I had sampled only the suites before watching the film to hear the new themes but did not hear the full score. So this was my first time hearing the score. I think this is a very good score in the movie. Will have to see how it plays on album, but in the film it packed a punch. There are 5 themes and they all make an impact because of their very clean association. I think in terms of theme associations, this is one of the cleanest big scores in recent memory. We often have discussions about what a theme means or whatever (like enormous discussions for BFG) but here it is crystal clear and that kinda helps with the memorability. I think the theme which made the most impact is Krennick's theme actually. It is I think the most used theme in the score. Second is Jyn's theme. The blind guys's theme was also good. The two themes for the good guys and bad guys respectively are good but not used that much I think. The Hope theme for the good guys plays over the main title and over some climatic scenes but is not used all that much. I think it's kinda a cheesy theme but gets the job done. The theme for the Empire is played to great effect during the first glimpse of the Death Star but again not used all that much thereafter. Also Giacchino exploits every single landscape shot or establishing shot for a huge theme statement so that helps in establishing the themes too. Overall, in the film, it was a satisfactory work. Some of it even sounded like Star Wars! But most sounded like Gia and that's not necessarily a bad thing. curlytoot, leeallen01, Will and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 5 hours ago, artguy360 said: I like to think that the 4 week work timeline is responsible for the odd moments of jumbled music like the huge fanfare leading up to the reveal of Vader's castle. Um...Williams would have done the same. Different notes yes, but a huge fanfare. It's mean to remembrance the Mustafar scenes in ROTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 But don't you agree Williams would have done it better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 9 hours ago, Luke Skywalker said: Um...Williams would have done the same. Different notes yes, but a huge fanfare. It's mean to remembrance the Mustafar scenes in ROTS. Yes but JW would have written something far more coherent with an actual throughline the listener could follow. The fanfare Gia wrote is a jumbled mess. Comparing JW's music for approaching Mustafar to Gia's and the difference is clear. MikeH and Sharkissimo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 18 hours ago, Stefancos said: But don't you agree Williams would have done it better? Of course i agree. I thought he was just complaining about the usage of a big fanfare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpvee 805 Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Not sure if this has been posted, but it's pretty interesting. http://www.rebelforceradio.com/shows/2016/12/21/star-wars-oxygen-vol-38-rogue-one-part-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 Having listened to this a few times, I can now say that aside from Rey's theme, I thoroughly enjoy Rogue One more than TFA. Not having watched the film, what track is this supposed "jumled mess" fanfare on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 I've never seen a score so viciously scrutinised. People need to realise Star Wars is Star Trek now. A different composer for each film, or string of films at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 47 minutes ago, gkgyver said: Not having watched the film, what track is this supposed "jumled mess" fanfare on? Heard most notably in "A Long Ride Ahead," at the end. On 12/27/2016 at 0:53 AM, artguy360 said: I like to think that the 4 week work timeline is responsible for the odd moments of jumbled music like the huge fanfare leading up to the reveal of Vader's castle. Gia has written much better bad guy fanfare-ish in the past that is far more focused and clear. Thankfully the underscore to Vader's 1st scene is solid throughout with nice uses of 2 Vader themes and of course Hope knocks it out of the park with great horror-like music for Vader's rampage. I actually rather like that Mustafar fanfare. It's grown on me. I like the rhythms. It has a sort of lovely almost "swaying" quality. DarthDementous and Arpy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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