Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 The Ewok theme is a better villain theme than the Imperial March. _deleted_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 On 10/14/2018 at 5:43 PM, kaseykockroach said: Very funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Parker 3,040 Posted October 19, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 19, 2018 2 hours ago, kaseykockroach said: The Ewok theme is a better villain theme than the Imperial March. I love how Williams reacted to the more cartoony, puppet infused nature of the movie and out of self-defense went balls-out Prokofiev mode, writing a fantasia for eclectic weirdo creatures. Kasey Kockroach, SteveMc, Cerebral Cortex and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,349 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 The awful SQ on the ROTJ SE kills the Ewok theme in ROTJ. the Ewok theme on brass in the Endor has some pretty sick sounding brass statements on the OST/Anthology IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Just stick with the ROTJ OST. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 It's all you need! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 I'd be more excited for the possibility of another Spielberg historical drama score than Star Wars IX or Indiana Jones V Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 On 10/20/2018 at 10:50 AM, Horner's Dynamic Range said: Just stick with the ROTJ OST. It's the only one that matters. _deleted_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redishere 697 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Rey’s Theme is great, but the second melody right after the opening notes reminds me of Double Trouble so I find it a little bit distracting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 But it really isn't similar to Double Trouble, isnt it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redishere 697 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: But it really isn't similar to Double Trouble, isnt it? It just reminds me of it. That’s why I brought it up in the Unpopular Opinions thread. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,690 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 I don't see how that's unpopular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 I prefer Apollo 440's Lost in Space theme to JW's themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 John the Bomb Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Loert 2,511 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 John Williams' film music sometimes feels like it's been "packaged" too much, like he's handing over some music which has been wrapped in shiny paper and tied with a pretty red ribbon rather than the raw music itself. I wish Williams would let his hair down once in a while (like in his concert works). KK and Dixon Hill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 He let his hair go a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Loert said: John Williams' film music sometimes feels like it's been "packaged" too much, like he's handing over some music which has been wrapped in shiny paper and tied with a pretty red ribbon rather than the raw music itself. I wish Williams would let his hair down once in a while (like in his concert works). I feel like most film composers are like that. Morricone is the best film example I can think of somebody who can write "raw unpolished" music (he's not afraid to go "out-there"). Though John Williams's "polish" is one of the reasons I find his output so consistently satisfying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Loert said: John Williams' film music sometimes feels like it's been "packaged" too much, like he's handing over some music which has been wrapped in shiny paper and tied with a pretty red ribbon rather than the raw music itself. I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. Ii2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 John the Bomb Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SteveMc 2,674 Posted April 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 28, 2019 Beethoven and Bach deserve to be deemed favorites. They are genuinely head and shoulders above the rest. Bespin, Bayesian, _deleted_ and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,513 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 . SteveMc and _deleted_ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 So Williams is Captain America and Thor is Wagner then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Score 770 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 5 hours ago, Loert said: John Williams' film music sometimes feels like it's been "packaged" too much, like he's handing over some music which has been wrapped in shiny paper and tied with a pretty red ribbon rather than the raw music itself. I wish Williams would let his hair down once in a while (like in his concert works). What do you mean with "packaged"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 When you have a big package, you have to show it. mrbellamy and SingeMoisi 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted May 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 1, 2019 On 4/28/2019 at 8:44 AM, Loert said: John Williams' film music sometimes feels like it's been "packaged" too much, like he's handing over some music which has been wrapped in shiny paper and tied with a pretty red ribbon rather than the raw music itself. I wish Williams would let his hair down once in a while (like in his concert works). I think I know what you mean and I agree. This is probably just the price of working for Hollywood. Even a craftsman from beginning to end like Williams has to deliver "the product" in that kind of environment. And forget about countless others who all share a handful of the same orchestrators which leads to an incredible homogeneity and polished shine on so much of what comes out of this town. Now contrast this with outsiders like Goldenthal, Shore, Morricone yada yada yada...from them you'll hear something which to me anyway seems far less assembly line produced. SteveMc, KK, Loert and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 770 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 13 hours ago, Knox Harrington said: I think I know what you mean and I agree. This is probably just the price of working for Hollywood. Even a craftsman from beginning to end like Williams has to deliver "the product" in that kind of environment. And forget about countless others who all share a handful of the same orchestrators which leads to an incredible homogeneity and polished shine on so much of what comes out of this town. Now contrast this with outsiders like Goldenthal, Shore, Morricone yada yada yada...from them you'll hear something which to me anyway seems far less assembly line produced. So, if I understand correctly, you and @Loert are referring to the fact that JW basically does not experiment very much with orchestration and/or unconventional techniques? And, because of that, his works consistently sound very good (i.e., they run along established lines), but not "surprising". If this is the point, I understand it and agree to some extent. In fairness, the other composers that you mentioned experienced rather different working situations. For example, Morricone has hundreds of titles to his name, but many of them are rather small-sized scores, compared to an average JW one (in terms of the amount of music that needs to be physically written down). Then, Morricone had more time and possibilities to do unconventional stuff, and even some of his techniques in this regard allowed him to save further time. One of the techniques he experimented with, consists in a sort of modular composition, where he writes down a score for, say, three or four different ensembles that can play all simultaneously, or two at a time, or three at a time, etcetera. Then, he gets many different cues (or possibilities for the same cue, among which the director can choose) by just combining the ensembles in different ways (e.g., one cue will be that score played by ensembles 1 and 4, another cue the same score played by ensembles 2 and 3 and 4, and so on). An example is this piece, where he applied that principle sequentially: Of course, such an approach would not work if the request is to write 2 hours of symphonic poem that should also match the action in the movie in some detail. It's just a different world of scoring and, indeed, I don't see much room in Hollywood for these things, at least nowadays. It's already amazing that JW has managed to write so much top quality stuff in such a relatively little amount of time. _deleted_ and SingeMoisi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 I don't think it's limited to orchestration and I would call it "calculated" rather than "not experimental" though that may just be semantics. Loert 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Montre 79 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 I vastly prefer JW’s style in cues like Fighting with Grievous, The Whomping Willow (POA), and the Chase through Coruscant over his style when he wrote The Asteroid Field, The Battle of Hoth, and similar cues from that time. ins 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 The more recent tracks you mentioned have an aggressive testosterone-fueled masculinity about them that I also enjoy. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 36 minutes ago, Montre said: I vastly prefer JW’s style in cues like Fighting with Grievous, The Whomping Willow (POA), and the Chase through Coruscant over his style when he wrote The Asteroid Field, The Battle of Hoth, and similar cues from that time. That's indeed an unpopular opinion! Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted September 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 11, 2019 The Asteroid Field is great but the Coruscant chase is totally ace. I definitely prefer it to most of his earlier action sequences. There's an overwhelming sense that the music is just pouring out of him and it is groovy as fuck. SteveMc, Loert, SingeMoisi and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 On 9/11/2019 at 7:02 AM, Montre said: I vastly prefer JW’s style in cues like Fighting with Grievous, The Whomping Willow (POA), and the Chase through Coruscant over his style when he wrote The Asteroid Field, The Battle of Hoth, and similar cues from that time. It's basically rhythm vs melody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 It doesn't stick out as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_deleted_ 203 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 I've spent enough time with the ST scores... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 TLJ was a one and done for me. TFA is a good OST, but I have no interest in the complete score and I rarely revisit it. I'd rather just listen to the Keith Lockhart suite. _deleted_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,419 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Unpopular opinion: I prefer the 'bootleq quality' of The Last Crusade score over the official soundtrack and the Concord release. Something so nostalgic to it that adds to the listening experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 That is probably the most unpopular opinion of all. Only on JWFan. Bellosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cordax 32 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Almost every bombastic piece of JW ends in some variation of "dun dun dun dun." I guess he really wants to let you know that the piece is done. Usually has nothing to do with the rest of the piece. _deleted_ and Gruesome Son of a Bitch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Endit a piece is an art form in itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 5 hours ago, cordax said: Almost every bombastic piece of JW ends in some variation of "dun dun dun dun." I guess he really wants to let you know that the piece is done. That is why most of his concert arrangements tend to bore me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 I have to say: I'm not a fan of Kylo Ren's theme, both of them. They're too agressive, too epic, and just too outward evil, for a character that is not as powerful or cruel or menacing as Vader or even Maul. I think this is a theme for a more frightening character than poor Ben Solo. I wish Williams was a little more subtle with the theme. Like, he has to address the menace the character represents (he is - so far - the main antagonist, lol), but also wrote about his inner conflicts, him being "torn apart" on the inside, anyway... It's not the character is the most complex villain ever written (far from it), but he presented an opportunity for great psychological scoring by Williams. Unless Williams is being more subtle than we know, and Kylo's terrifying themes are how he sees himself, as a powerful and fearsome Sith and the rightful heir to Darth Vader - until, of course, he discovers the sad truth. That said, I loved the performances of his theme when he is destroying his helmet and then when he realizes he has been tricked by Luke. MikeH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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redishere 697 Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Kylo's horn motif is actually similar to Morricone's opening theme for Hateful 8! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 I think Darth Vader's theme would sound interesting if Williams first kept Chopin's harmony of i - VI instead of i - vi, for the introductory scenes, saving the final developments of i - vi for later, to represent a psychological turn of event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 I can't stand when he writes in that neo-classica style. Examples: JAWS 2 " The Catamaran Race" KOTCS: " A Whirl Through Academe" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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