Jay 37,369 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Great question. I dunno. Here's another massively noticeable difference, compare 0:00 of OST Marauders Arrive to DE Deluxe Train Heist 4:43. Those vocals are SO MUCH BETTER on the DE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravinsky 206 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 3 hours ago, Jay said: Fantastic. Thanks again Jay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Holy shit, I was not expecting Mimban Battle to have choir! No clue why they removed that from the film! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 BTW, I compared Deluxe Train Heist against OST Train Heist / Marauders Arrive because somebody said the ending was different. This is what I found: DE Deluxe Train Heist [0:00 4:43] = OST Train Heist [all] DE Deluxe Train Heist [4:43-8:10] = OST Marauders Arrive [0:00-3:27] DE Deluxe Train Heist [8:10-8:34] = not on the OST DE Deluxe Train Heist [8:34-end] = OST Marauders Arrive [3:27-end], except DE 10:02-end is slightly different than OST 4:56-end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, Jay said: Great question. I dunno. Here's another massively noticeable difference, compare 0:00 of OST Marauders Arrive to DE Deluxe Train Heist 4:43. Those vocals are SO MUCH BETTER on the DE! Could it be that the OST actually used the film mixes due to time constraints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Jay said: BTW, I compared Deluxe Train Heist against OST Train Heist / Marauders Arrive because somebody said the ending was different... but is it? This is what I hear: DE Deluxe Train Heist [0:00 4:43] = OST Train Heist [all] DE Deluxe Train Heist [4:43-8:10] = OST Marauders Arrive [0:00-3:27] DE Deluxe Train Heist [8:10-8:34] = not on the OST DE Deluxe Train Heist [8:34-end] = OST Marauders Arrive [3:27-end] The DE/Film ending of Marauders Arrive is completely different. Specifically that last ~15 seconds. At least I'm assuming the DE is the film version, I haven't gotten there quite yet. The waveform looks identical to my old edit, so that must be what it is. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 894 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 OK, I figured out what I want JW to compose next: a suite of concert arrangements of Powell's themes from Solo. The circle will be complete! crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Manakin Skywalker said: The DE/Film ending of Marauders Arrive is completely different. Specifically that last ~15 seconds. At least I'm assuming the DE is the film version, I haven't gotten there quite yet. The waveform looks identical to my old edit, so that must be what it is. Yea, you replied before I updated my post :p Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 There appears to be an insert missing in Mimban Battle (the strings after the Imp. march); unless it was tracked in the film from elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stravinsky 206 Posted November 20, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2020 What always astounds me is the musicianship of these incredible session players. I mean how much rehearsal would they get for one cue? The music is so multifaceted and urgent but everything is so tight. And I don't mean just this score. Their unerring ability to just pick something up and make it sound like this leaves me in total awe. Tiburon, TSMefford, Kasey Kockroach and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 If anybody can think of any additional information that should be on this - or sees any mistakes - let me know! https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Fcd5KxqAJO0dgQ8y1sHfd0o9eCeTSF7sbNFWORc805o/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 The missing inserts, if you plan on adding inserts to the spreadsheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 I have them on the bottom of the "detailed" tab, but unless someone tells us which one is which bit we hear in the film (and which ones are already in DE tracks), it's hard to say any more about them right now, ya know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 I'm in the middle of my first listen of the DE right now, but if someone else doesn't detail the inserts/overlays I might take a look if I have time. There are already several that I noticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 That sounds fantastic and I'd love to read it! But to clarify what I mean: take for example the end of of Deluxe Train Heist / Marauders arrive. We know this is the cue "Failed Heist", and that cue has two inserts: "2M16C v1G Insert 030718" and "2M16C v1G Insert 2". Only someone with the sheets can tell us which of those Inserts is the new final 18 seconds on the DE, and if the OST ending is the other insert, or the ending bars of the original cue. I hope that makes sense. Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 47 minutes ago, Jay said: That sounds fantastic and I'd love to read it! But to clarify what I mean: take for example the end of of Deluxe Train Heist / Marauders arrive. We know this is the cue "Failed Heist", and that cue has two inserts: "2M16C v1G Insert 030718" and "2M16C v1G Insert 2". Only someone with the sheets can tell us which of those Inserts is the new final 18 seconds on the DE, and if the OST ending is the other insert, or the ending bars of the original cue. I hope that makes sense. Yes, I thought about that too after I posted my comment. It'll be difficult to discern exactly what is what. @BrotherSound perhaps you could help us all out since you have the sheets ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ I don't know why, but for some reason Stormtrooper JP-054 Karaoke made me think of something Randy Marsh would sing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 994 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 23 hours ago, crumbs said: I can't remember who lamented the lack of a clean ending for the end credits immediately after the Family Stories section (due to it being in a different key from the film cue), but theoretically this could be achieved by phasing out the start of Lando's Closet to create a clean ending. I decided to test this, and it did work somewhat. The mix must have been subtly different, because it only resulted in making the following section super quiet. At normal volume, it'd sound pretty isolated, but I'm sure a more attentive ear would pick up on the artifacts of what was there. In fact, I'm not sure if it's much different from merely just fading out on the regular track, but you be the judge of that. Also, for anyone who cares about the full list of who worked on what cue, Hybrid did update the DE page today on the HZ website (though Willis is missing on Extra Deluxe Mine Mission): http://hans-zimmer.com/index.php?rub=disco&id=1862 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 hour ago, stravinsky said: What always astounds me is the musicianship of these incredible session players. I mean how much rehearsal would they get for one cue? The music is so multifaceted and urgent but everything is so tight. And I don't mean just this score. Their unerring ability to just pick something up and make it sound like this leaves me in total awe. From what I hear, you might get the sheet music a few days in advance but there's little or no ensemble rehearsal. Time truly is money at the recording sessions, so my understanding is that they do everything they can to get a useable take (or mixture of takes) ASAP and then move on to the next cue. Studio musicians are there to make that process as efficient as possible. And yes, the fact that they pull it all off is just incredible! crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTR1701 59 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 On 11/19/2020 at 10:14 PM, Will said: Gosh I'm really in love with "Empire Recruitment" as well. Definitely sounds super British. Reminds me a tad of Walton (or of JW's own forays into a British sound, like a couple times in HP1). It's as if Elgar himself arranged it. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Is there any material in the 10-minute end credits cue that isn't in the score proper? (not the Williams intro) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTR1701 59 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 9 hours ago, stravinsky said: What always astounds me is the musicianship of these incredible session players. I mean how much rehearsal would they get for one cue? The music is so multifaceted and urgent but everything is so tight. And I don't mean just this score. Their unerring ability to just pick something up and make it sound like this leaves me in total awe. You should check out "The Legacy of John Williams" podcast. Mauricio has been interviewing a dozen or so L.A studio musicians who've played on Williams's scores over the last 40 years. Their stories are fascinating, as is the way they offhandedly describe getting one, maybe two, run-throughs of some of the lost difficult music ever written before they hit "record" and have to do it for real. I just finished the Malcolm McNab (principal trumpet) episode. It's stunning to me that he was able to do most of JURASSIC PARK in one take with no real rehearsal. I was also surprised that JW picks who plays in the orchestra. I always just assumed the studio orchestra was staffed by the studio, not the composer. Jim Self (William's principal tubist and the voice of the mothership in CE3K) talked about how Williams cleaned house in the entire brass section around the time FORCE AWAKENS came out. Players who had been with him for decades were out and he seated a whole new crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 On 11/19/2020 at 8:56 PM, Will said: @Jay Shouldn’t this be in the spreadsheet? Or it’s there and I missed it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTenma 116 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Thanks @Jay for the analysis on Maul's Call / Parting Ways. Having silence between the tracks in the movie makes the crossfade even more strange... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 13 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: There appears to be an insert missing in Mimban Battle (the strings after the Imp. march); unless it was tracked in the film from elsewhere. I dont think that's an insert. I think thats just the strings from the same track but they removed the final leg of the Imperial March for some god knows reason. I also hear the bit of 0:20-0:26 buried under tons of ridiculous soundeffects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 6 hours ago, publicist said: Is there any material in the 10-minute end credits cue that isn't in the score proper? (not the Williams intro) Nope publicist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Between this and JFO, these are the kind of non-Williams Star Wars scores I love. Confident yet playful with the established sound, and with a hearty dose of creativity and also just delightful whimsy. When it sounds like the composers are having fun then that joy gets transferred through the music, and I'm just really glad to be able to re-discover a score that already impressed me and find a new appreciation for it. That new mix is genuinely fantastic, and this score might feature some of my favourite rendition of classic themes ever between that gorgeous Luke's theme snippet and the delightfully dominating wall of sound that is the Imperial March in Mimban Battle. crumbs and Kasey Kockroach 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 I'm really sorry if this has been answered before, but I don't really have time to go through all the pages and spreadsheet now. Can someone quickly tell me which OST tracks have unique material? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: I'm really sorry if this has been answered before, but I don't really have time to go through all the pages and spreadsheet now. Can someone quickly tell me which OST tracks have unique material? 20 hours ago, Jay said: The last 18 seconds of "Marauders Arrive" is slightly different than the last 18 seconds of "Deluxe Train Heist" "Chicken In The Pot" features different vocals than the version here "Good Thing You Were Listening", from 1:03-end, is 7M44B Alt Qi'Ra Departs, a revised ending of 7M44A-B Beckett Departs that did not get used in the film. Beckett Departs is heard in its entirety in the DE track "Maul's Call / Parting Ways" from 2:02-3:39, and Qi'Ra Departs is an unused replacement for the part from 2:39-3:39 "The Adventures of Han" is not on the DE at all That's is, apart from of course the fact that the entire OST is a completely different mix than the DE. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Thank you! I'll probably prefer this mix anyway. EMPIRE RECRUITMENT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 4 hours ago, MedigoScan said: I dont think that's an insert. I think thats just the strings from the same track but they removed the final leg of the Imperial March for some god knows reason. Yeah I noticed that yesterday as well. The strings are still present, just buried under the brass. It still wouldn't been an additional take or insert though since the instruments were all recorded together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 I just finished listening to the score. Really glad I got this. It is so great that Maestro John Williams was involved with Solo from the beginning, spotting the film with John Powell, writing several themes for the film, previewing them for both Ron Howard and John Powell on the piano, conducting and recording them with an orchestra as demos, and keeping in touch with John Powell throughout the scoring process. It really shows in the final score. It is a perfect integration and blend of the Maestro's work and John Powell's work. Not to mention that John Powell does a great job with his own material, in addition to adapting the Maestro's themes and music. Really cool! Remco 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bounty95 558 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Isn't it weird that the DE is only being promoted by Powell on his Instagram and Facebook? There has been not a single announcement by Disney as far as I can tell. Is it possible that they only licensed the whole thing for Powell's studio to release it themselves (a speciality label-like situation)? TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted November 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2020 Bunk / Proxima restored to film: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mlfiNFNdVZGdOR112jhke26ZC4VROly0/view More on the way, probably... CGCJ, SilverTrumpet, Faleel and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,466 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 5 hours ago, Bounty95 said: Isn't it weird that the DE is only being promoted by Powell on his Instagram and Facebook? There has been not a single announcement by Disney as far as I can tell. Is it possible that they only licensed the whole thing for Powell's studio to release it themselves (a speciality label-like situation)? Disney probably wants to forget that this movie ever happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 15 hours ago, rough cut said: @Jay Shouldn’t this be in the spreadsheet? Or it’s there and I missed it? Added. Google Doc now fully updated with all the info I know! Who wants to make guesses at these questions? When inside "Mimban Battle" does it switch from 10MA to 10MB? When inside "Train Heist" (or "Deluxe Train Heist") does it switch from "Campfire" to "Conveyex"? When inside "Breakout" (or "Extra Deluxe Mine Mission") does it switch from "Breakout" to "L3's Sacrifice"? When inside "Into The Maw" (or "Kessel Run In Less Than 12 Parsecs") does it switch from "Monster" to "Maw", and from "Maw" to "Landing"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, Jay said: When inside "Train Heist" (or "Deluxe Train Heist") does it switch from "Campfire" to "Conveyex"? My guess would be that they're edited into each other around here, with Conveyex perhaps starting around 1:28 (???) or perhaps even later with the big action startup 1:43 being an edit. All speculation! 7 minutes ago, Jay said: When inside "Breakout" (or "Extra Deluxe Mine Mission") does it switch from "Breakout" to "L3's Sacrifice"? I'm pretty sure L3's Sacrifice begins to fade in with the strings here: Anthony Willis, who is credited for that cue, has that 58 second stretch that follows uploaded to his website under the title L3's Sacrifice, so that must be it. As for the others, I couldn't say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 1:03 has a clean ending of 1M10A in the film (1M10B and part of 1M10A are swapped in the film), so that is likely the split. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,466 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 I was listening today, and something that I already had thought when the score was released came up. The Into the Maw part of Kessel Run is very... cartoon-y, isn't it? In particular, the descending trombones reminded me of something you can hear in an old Cartoon Network commercial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,353 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Honestly that never sounded cartoony to me, but I can kinda hear what you are getting at. It always reminded me more of this at 8:34: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BrotherSound 2,242 Posted November 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2020 27 minutes ago, Jay said: When inside "Mimban Battle" does it switch from 10MA to 10MB? 0:53 28 minutes ago, Jay said: When inside "Train Heist" (or "Deluxe Train Heist") does it switch from "Campfire" to "Conveyex"? 1:44 29 minutes ago, Jay said: When inside "Breakout" (or "Extra Deluxe Mine Mission") does it switch from "Breakout" to "L3's Sacrifice"? 7:54 39 minutes ago, Jay said: When inside "Into The Maw" (or "Kessel Run In Less Than 12 Parsecs") does it switch from "Monster" to "Maw", and from "Maw" to "Landing"? 9:56 and 10:34 Smaug The Iron, Manakin Skywalker, The Illustrious Jerry and 4 others 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,466 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 28 minutes ago, Spider-Fal said: Honestly that never sounded cartoony to me, but I can kinda hear what you are getting at. It always reminded me more of this at 8:34: Yeah, the track sounds to me like a big salad: Cartoon Network trombones, Elliot Goldenthal French Horns dissonance and The Matrix-like string runs. I wonder what they used as temp track for that scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,353 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Perhaps this was temp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DarthDementous 1,059 Posted November 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2020 God I love this soundtrack. It really is the perfect blend between John Williams and John Powell. You know it's a good collaboration when one doesn't end up out-shining the other but instead elevates the work as a whole. I remember Marty O'Donnell said something interesting about the nature of a good collaboration when he was talking about working with Paul McCartney, something along the lines of "If you couldn't make it as good doing it by yourself as you could with this other person, then it's worth collaborating." which seems obvious but I think gets taken for granted. He also talks about how it's important to suss out whether your sensibilities align first, since you definitely need to be on the same page - and I think in the case of Powell of Williams that's very true. Reminiscence Therapy (Kessel Run in Less than 12 Parsecs) is a shining example of this. It starts off with direct quotes from Williams material, then it intermingles the Han theme and Powell's action scoring yet it all sounds so authentic, almost as if the Williams composition was made the same time the other additional pieces were. That to me was the final (good) nail in the coffin that Williams and Powell are very compatible musically. Kasey Kockroach, crumbs, Alan and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Edmilson said: I was listening today, and something that I already had thought when the score was released came up. The Into the Maw part of Kessel Run is very... cartoon-y, isn't it? In particular, the descending trombones reminded me of something you can hear in an old Cartoon Network commercial. The part at 3:36 sounds very similar to a specific production cue that I can't recall the name of, I think it appeared in cartoons like Spongebob Squarepants. This is what it sounds like, if anyone can identify it: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YpwTvj3YtGKQf7bqAN9_LEXP8vR-ZaJa/view?usp=sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 I haven't checked the film to see what this underscores, but am I hearing the Imperial motif from ANH here at 1:50? I know this was already on the OST, I just never thought to point it out until now. Falstaft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 42 minutes ago, crumbs said: I haven't checked the film to see what this underscores, but am I hearing the Imperial motif from ANH here at 1:50? It's the build-up to Han shooting Beckett (the crescendo is when Han fires). He's just monologuing about Han not paying attention; nothing to do with the Empire, so I'm not sure why that would've been referenced here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 The "fakery" theme only appears 3 times in the whole score, right? What are the tracks and timestamps again? ~ 12 hours ago, crumbs said: I haven't checked the film to see what this underscores, but am I hearing the Imperial motif from ANH here at 1:50? I know this was already on the OST, I just never thought to point it out until now. Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAgc9vg6pXE Around 0:40 in that clip As others have said, there's no reason to use the Imperial motif during that scene, so it is just something that sounds coincidentally kinda similar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis 245 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 I like "Empire Recruitment" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 16 hours ago, BrotherSound said: 0:53 1:44 7:54 9:56 and 10:34 Thanks, google doc updated! BTW, is the 10:34 for "Kessel Run" really accurate? The Rebel Fanfare really begins at the end of one cue, and resumes mid-theme in the next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bofur01 245 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 It’s separated by about 10s and several shots in the film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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