artguy360 1,843 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 I think JW has a secret goal to sneak in little references to PT music in odd and obscure ways just for fun and because no one is ever going to ask him to revisit PT music the way he is endlessly returning to themes from the OT. Let's call them easter eggs. Tiburon and DolceMecha 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 I’m sorry but I can’t resist lol just a joke and an observation. Love you all deeply madly and non organically 1081B65C-ADDF-4C98-8050-B1D0E4A9B912.MP4 Wait, WTF, why do people have to download it?! It's supposed to just be there..... Ugh, I'm too old for computers!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Yes, you're not as young as you once were. ocelot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 So after seeing the film again, I noticed a few more unreleased bits that I quite like (well, all the unreleased bits I like, but here are a choice few): - There sounds to me like an additional, more subtle Poe's theme cut from "Escape" when he first appears that's really cool - The March of the Resistance variation that plays over Holdo's speech is one of the best in the score, I think, and not on the OST - The "On the Inside" motif is all over this score and the unreleased cues especially, the best being the scene where Finn and Rose sneak away from the main ship - Probably the best version of Rey's theme not included on the soundtrack, besides the training bit, is when she's in the Falcon searching for the rest of the Resistance Tiburon and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 1 minute ago, DominicCobb said: So after seeing the film again, I noticed a few more unreleased bits that I quite like (well, all the unreleased bits I like, but here are a choice few): - There sounds to me like an additional, more subtle Poe's theme cut from "Escape" when he first appears that's really cool - The March of the Resistance variation that plays over Holdo's speech is one of the best in the score, I think, and not on the OST - The "On the Inside" motif is all over this score and the unreleased cues especially, the best being the scene where Finn and Rose sneak away from the main ship - Probably the best version of Rey's theme not included on the soundtrack, besides the training bit, is when she's in the Falcon searching for the rest of the Resistance Typical Williams release! All the best bits left out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 5 minutes ago, DominicCobb said: - Probably the best version of Rey's theme not included on the soundtrack, besides the training bit, is when she's in the Falcon searching for the rest of the Resistance I don't remember this scene at all. Is this at the end after the Battle of Crait? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 20 minutes ago, crumbs said: I don't remember this scene at all. Is this at the end after the Battle of Crait? Yeah, it's a short bit, the Resistance is going through the tunnels and she's piloting the Falcon looking for them while R2 searches using the tracker. Rey's theme is played here in a big (albeit brief) way, first the the intro, then the main part of the theme. Oh, also, I'm like 50% sure I heard a quick appearance of the map motif in one of Luke's scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Its not a map motif. Its just these chords that Williams ever so often uses to evoke a sense of mystery. In the original Star Wars, it was the mystery of Tatooine as the Droids land there. In Raiders of the Lost Ark, its the secrets of the Ark. In Kingdom of the Crystal Skull its the nature of the skull, in The Force Awakens, its the mystery of Luke's whereabouts, which obviously ties to the map. Here - god knows what its for, but if its in there - its there more as a "style" of Williams writing than as a leitmotif. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 I still believe it's a motif, since we hear it in "Finn and Poe, United" in another form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 It doesn't matter. They aren't a score-specific melody that represents something in that score. They are a stylistic tool that Williams uses across many scores. Think of them as the Williams' cousin to the Horner danger gesture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Oke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 On 24.12.2017 at 5:15 AM, Stefancos said: Typical Williams release! All the best bits left out! To be fair, this time it was hard not to exclude some great bits. A double disc set would have been nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Zimmer 211 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Just walked out, 2nd viewing. Such an underwhelming score. At least TFA had that brilliant Rey theme, this has basically nothing (then again I haven't really liked JW's output since Harry Potter). It's just generic noise in the background, I never was a fan of how JW scored action scenes and in this one it got annoying how off he really is when doing it. Hopefully he stops after 9 (or before that one, but I'm guessing he won't). Get some fresh blood in there, I'd like to hear what Desplat would have done with a SW movie. No Giacchino/Powell please. Breadstick Basilisk, Fancyarcher, Darth Porkins and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post p0llux 398 Posted December 25, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 25, 2017 Pretty standard post from someone with that username. Carry on. Breadstick Basilisk, ocelot, Bryant Burnette and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted December 25, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 25, 2017 Lord Zimmer Well your name says it all. You have no idea of great action music. Generic noise in background. That is some 50 years of making it more perfect and now it is amazing!!! And the orchestra!!!! Will, leeallen01 and fuhrsy31 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Lord Zimmer: I don't think you're allowed to have an opinion here other than that Williams can do no wrong and every score of his is genius. gkgyver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Of course he can do wrong but when he he does it brilliantly I do not want any whining from hansu fan or demodöx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 So only some members here can criticize him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Question: Is the Holdo crashes her ship music complete on "Chrome Dome!" because right now I hear a slight building up of that Holdo/Desperation motif in the first half of the track but it sounds very incomplete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0llux 398 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 No it's not. The rest of it is in the end credits right after Yoda's theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 The rendition in Chrome Dome is not the same as that heard on the credits. The credits rendition is the full cue when she rams the ship and Chrome Dome features the same melody but in a scene immediately following that. It’s not for the same scene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 This is why we need an FYC album! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ocelot 508 Posted December 26, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 26, 2017 3 hours ago, Lord Zimmer said: Just walked out, 2nd viewing. Such an underwhelming score. At least TFA had that brilliant Rey theme, this has basically nothing (then again I haven't really liked JW's output since Harry Potter). It's just generic noise in the background, I never was a fan of how JW scored action scenes and in this one it got annoying how off he really is when doing it. Hopefully he stops after 9 (or before that one, but I'm guessing he won't). Get some fresh blood in there, I'd like to hear what Desplat would have done with a SW movie. No Giacchino/Powell please. So you prefer one note being banged on endlessly and ad nauseum to actual virtuosic orchestral writing and playing. Well, they do say music is subjective, lol crumbs, fuhrsy31, Pieter Boelen and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arpy 4,145 Posted December 26, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 26, 2017 4 hours ago, Lord Zimmer said: Just walked out, 2nd viewing. Such an underwhelming score. At least TFA had that brilliant Rey theme, this has basically nothing (then again I haven't really liked JW's output since Harry Potter). It's just generic noise in the background, I never was a fan of how JW scored action scenes and in this one it got annoying how off he really is when doing it. Hopefully he stops after 9 (or before that one, but I'm guessing he won't). Get some fresh blood in there, I'd like to hear what Desplat would have done with a SW movie. No Giacchino/Powell please. Cerebral Cortex, Taikomochi, fuhrsy31 and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fancyarcher 350 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 7 hours ago, Lord Zimmer said: Just walked out, 2nd viewing. Such an underwhelming score. At least TFA had that brilliant Rey theme, this has basically nothing (then again I haven't really liked JW's output since Harry Potter). It's just generic noise in the background, I never was a fan of how JW scored action scenes and in this one it got annoying how off he really is when doing it. Hopefully he stops after 9 (or before that one, but I'm guessing he won't). Get some fresh blood in there, I'd like to hear what Desplat would have done with a SW movie. No Giacchino/Powell please. Not enough BWAMS for your liking I see. fuhrsy31 and leeallen01 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Lord Zimmer was hoping for a transcendental experience with the awe of Interstellar and the nebulous noodlings of Inception but as much as you try to box Williams into the mould of Zimmer the less it works. If Harry Potter was your last favourite score from Williams... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Sometimes the quiet pieces such as 'The Cave' would eventually become skipped in a future listening experience, but the quiet pieces of TLJ are still captivating. I love what Williams does in those mysterious Ren/Rey exchanges and Rey's exploration of the island. armorb and Arpy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Yep, found his underscore here far more inspired than what he wrote for TFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 And there's still a lot of excellent unreleased underscore! I finally got around to seeing the film a second time to help me understand the film better but I found myself paying more attention to the music. I find it wonderful that the music gets a chance to shine in this film, unlike TFA. There are even moments when there should have been background noise that would normally drown the music but there wasn't (such as Yoda scene). That's not to say the sound effects didn't drown out the music from time to time but that's the nature of the this kind of film and a far cry from what blockbusters do to the music. I will agree that the Force theme may have been used one too many times (and possibly Leia's theme) but that's a minor nitpick. All in all, the music is very effective in the film. Oh, FYC, where are you?! There's so much great, original unreleased music to be heard! I will say that I hope Abrams drops the boy with the broom bit for the next movie. It feels forced and tacked on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Yeah, the music is a real presence in the mix, which is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0llux 398 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 3 hours ago, someonefun124 said: I will agree that the Force theme may have been used one too many times (and possibly Leia's theme) but that's a minor nitpick. All in all, the music is very effective in the film. Back on the topic of the Force theme usage. My only complaint was that it was used very literally in this film. It appears almost every time when the force is being used or mentioned. And there's nothing wrong with that, but it got old after like the 4th time. I miss the times when it was inserted in places you wouldn't expect, because usually it's arranged in a different and interesting way than the Binary Sunset and solo horn rendition that we keep hearing in TFA and TLJ. The first example off the top my head would be its usage in ROTS during the Battle over Coruscant. That militaristic rendition of it was used more as an uplifting/dramatic purpose. That rendition alone was more enjoyable to me than any of renditions heard in TLJ. Pieter Boelen and DolceMecha 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Yes! An excellent example. Its used there more as a Jedi theme, although the taiko drums patterns there smack of orc music... The use of leitmotives need to be more nuanced than: "I see X/hear mention of x and theme for X is played", which I feel happened in this latest film with the force theme a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 18 hours ago, Demodex said: So only some members here can criticize him? Only the ones qualified enough. Meaning, the ones who have prayed long enough at the altar, so they can afford a tiny misstep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 I can't believe this cool-ass bit isn't in the film Breadstick Basilisk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bofur01 245 Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Perhaps that bit was replaced by the statement of Poe’s Theme in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alex 2,835 Posted December 29, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 29, 2017 Has this been posted yet? crumbs, Cerebral Cortex and Pieter Boelen 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 What does he mean by "Rey's theme not resolve itself"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Rey was supposed to die in TLJ, but Carrie Fishers death forced reshoots. The final scenes for Luke were originally intended for Rey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Hilary Bray 235 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Rey die in the Last Jedi? Seems odd. I figure[d] that for Episode IX she'd be leading the new generation of Jedi against Kylo Ren. As for the score, I've only heard it in movie (can't afford such luxuries as the OST CD right now) but it does fearfully seem to be the greatest hits -Leia's Theme, Han Solo & The Princess, Falcon Theme (I assume that's what it was in the valley during the last battle, part of me thinks of it as the Death Star attack music from IV and VI) and Luke & Leia. Not that I didn't mind but bit of a shame. Can only hope IX saves the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serafino 8 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Strangways said: it does fearfully seem to be the greatest hits -Leia's Theme, Han Solo & The Princess, Falcon Theme (I assume that's what it was in the valley during the last battle, part of me thinks of it as the Death Star attack music from IV and VI) and Luke & Leia. Not that I didn't mind but bit of a shame. Can only hope IX saves the day. I felt the same way after listening the first few times, but have changed my mind thanks in part to following along with some of the analytical listeners here. There is much to appreciate in this score. Also, they think you've run off with your secretary, you might want to contact Universal Exports. Bryant Burnette and Sir Hilary Bray 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Hilary Bray 235 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 23 minutes ago, Serafino said: I felt the same way after listening the first few times, but have changed my mind thanks in part to following along with some of the analytical listeners here. There is much to appreciate in this score. Also, they think you've run off with your secretary, you might want to contact Universal Exports. Best make use of my single ticket to Jamaica whilst I have the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 2 hours ago, Strangways said: Rey die in the Last Jedi? Seems odd. I figure[d] that for Episode IX she'd be leading the new generation of Jedi against Kylo Ren. As for the score, I've only heard it in movie (can't afford such luxuries as the OST CD right now) but it does fearfully seem to be the greatest hits -Leia's Theme, Han Solo & The Princess, Falcon Theme (I assume that's what it was in the valley during the last battle, part of me thinks of it as the Death Star attack music from IV and VI) and Luke & Leia. Not that I didn't mind but bit of a shame. Can only hope IX saves the day. You know Disney has uploaded the entire OST to Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/user/DisneyMusicVEVO/videos Sir Hilary Bray 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviazn 273 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 7 hours ago, Alex said: Has this been posted yet? Nice! And he’s replying to Alex Ross, the New Yorker’s music critic. Looks like he’s tweeted a bit about TLJ. He reviewed TFA’s score favorably too. https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/listening-to-star-wars crumbs and Pieter Boelen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Alex Ross is a brilliant and important critical and intellectual voice. He knows what is up and puts other film music "critics" to utter shame. It is too bad he doesn't write more extensively on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 He's talking about the score there. Pieter Boelen and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Williams dug deep into manipulating the established themes? I have a pair of ears and I don't need Alex Ross to tell that this is a bold statement. If this Alex Ross fella said something along the lines of "Well, hardly Williams' best work for the series", the first replies would be variations on "Alex who?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 The more I listen to TLJ the more I love how Williams really dug into those existing themes and manipulated them. What a genius! The fact that Alex Ross highly respects the score means he must be a great bloke. Wish he posted here! Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 I saw the movie for a third time Even with the FYC and OST combined, I noticed a TON of other unreleased music . There's a bunch of space battle bits we don't have from the middle of the film crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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