Star Wars Disenchantment

[greenturnedblue 372]

[Manakin Skywalker 4,897]

27 minutes ago, Mattris said:

Your memory has failed you, @Manakin Skywalker. See here, midway down:

 

https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/28579-star-wars-disenchantment/page/115/

 

And through the next page, including:

 

"Well fuck me. Congrats, Mattris."  -Demodex

 

The Emperor returning - more specifically, with Rey being related to him in some way - was absolutely not "an extremely common fan theory".  On the rare occasion it was even mentioned, it was dismissed outright by almost everyone (here and fandom-wide) because 'Emperor Palpatine is dead!'

 

 

You win this round Mattris.

[Chen G. 3,949]

9 hours ago, greenturnedblue said:

If this is Lucas' original idea, why didnt he do it from the beginning? Seems like some real George Lucas 'revisionism', that he claims "well, I actually meant to do it like that all along"

He does. I’ll dig up the quote but he once said Greedo did shoot first: it’s just that the way the scene was shot and cut in closeups it made it seem like Han shot first:

 

Quote

“What I did was try to clean up the confusion. It had been done in all close-ups and it was confusing about who did what to whom. I put a little wider shot in there that made it clear that Greedo is the one who shot first, but everyone wanted to think that Han shot first, because they wanted to think that he actually just gunned him down.”

 

Alex Ben Block, “5 Questions with George Lucas: Controversial ‘Star Wars’ Changes, SOPA, and ‘Indiana Jones 5,’” Hollywood Reporter, February 9, 2012.

I sometimes wonder how a filmmaker who thinks his listeners are THAT stupid can ever hope to make films that don’t underestimate the audience’s intelligence.

[Mattris 416]

Once the Saga has concluded, I expect it will be conclusive that the Star Wars audience really was "THAT stupid" and underestimated George Lucas' intelligence.

[Chen G. 3,949]

Mattris, what's your current theory about the progression of the saga? Is it still that Episode 10 has been filmed in secret with Episode 9, or did we move on to some else lunacy?

[Naïve Old Fart 9,534]

49 minutes ago, Chen G. said:

Mattris, what's your current theory about the progression of the saga? Is it still that Episode 10 has been filmed in secret with Episode 9, or did we move on to something else?

Oh, bloody hell!!

Did you have to?

[Mattris 416]

59 minutes ago, Chen G. said:

Episode 10 has been filmed in secret with Episode 9

 

[Chen G. 3,949]

15 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

Oh, bloody hell!!

Did you have to?

Hey, I’m drunk and I wanted to have a good laugh!

[Naïve Old Fart 9,534]

"... good laugh"?! You've opened up Hell, is what you've done!

 

[Nick1Ø66 4,718]

12 hours ago, Mattris said:

I've discussed these matters at length within the Star Wars Disenchantment Topic. For further discussions, I would like these off-topic posts here (the last two pages) to be moved to that thread. Then we can continue.

 

On 27/11/2022 at 10:18 AM, Mattris said:

could you please move these derailed conversations to the Star Wars Disenchantment thread?

Why do you keep insisting that this “discussion” be moved? If you have a problem with talking about this here, stop posting here and take it over there.  It’s not Jay’s job to decide where you post.

 

In other words, post your theories someplace else and see who follows you. Or maybe start a “Star Wars conspiracy theory” thread?

[Mattris 416]

Multiple times in the past, Jay has relocated swaths of controversy/contention/disenchantment-filled Star Wars conversations to their proper location. What can I say? I like consistency.

 

Plus, it feels strange that I'm allowed to roam free from my cage!  

[Chen G. 3,949]

2 minutes ago, Mattris said:

Plus, it feels strange that I'm allowed to roam free from my cage!

That it does, that it does.

[mstrox 6,651]

Let’s move this talk to the House of the Dragon thread 

[Naïve Old Fart 9,534]

52 minutes ago, Mattris said:

Plus, it feels strange that I'm allowed to roam free from my cage!

 

50 minutes ago, Chen G. said:

That it does, that it does.

 

This is getting out of hand. Now there are two of them.

[Pellaeon 593]

Who’s the more foolish, the fool or the fool who debates him?

[Mattris 416]

Oh, @Pellaeon...

 

Like others here, it must have slipped your mind that I was vindicated after my grand predictions for Episode IX were proven accurate... this, after so many here vocalized their skepticism and dismissal of my thoughts on Star Wars.

 

To support my theories regarding the narrative of the Saga and its pre-planned trajectory, I provided an abundance of substantive canon evidence and logical reasoning, starting long before the first trailer and continuing after I had processed the film.

 

On this topic, it should be obvious by now that I am the most intelligent member of this forum.

 

Over time, I have only become more certain that my assessment of Star Wars is correct. I won't mince words: The Star Wars audience has no idea how wrong they are about this IP. When confronted by the reality of all this, the sheer scope of their collective misinterpretation will be staggering.

 

I enjoy debating and sharing Star Wars info and ideas. But all things considered, perhaps those who continue to adamantly doubt me - and Lucasfilm - should be considering if they are the foolish ones. If (when) this is eventually - and conclusively - proven to have been the case, will these individuals really be that surprised? They shouldn't be.

 

At least your insult was Star Warsy.

[Nick1Ø66 4,718]

Either Mattris is the architect of the most long-game, sustained & diabolical troll job in JWFan history, or he's one hydrospanner short of a full toolbox, and in serious need of a restraining bolt.

 

It's really sort of a beautiful thing. If it is a troll job, you have to admire his persistence & dedication to his craft. Maybe he really is the most intelligent member of this forum?

[mstrox 6,651]

It’s really terrific!

[Mattris 416]

@Nick1Ø66, do you think I'm being disingenuous?

[Manakin Skywalker 4,897]

I have reason to believe that Mattris has been an advanced experimental prototype AI bot this entire time. Eventually, it might evolve enough to take over this entire forum.

[Stark 316]

I just wish Mattris would also give us stock market predictions too.

[MrJosh 892]

Episode X - Attack of the Snokes

 

"Somehow Snoke has returned"

-Poe

 

This was clearly foreshadowed in the intro of TROS with those Snoke clones. 

[Disco Stu 15,495]

The Rise of Snokewalker?

[MrJosh 892]

"Begun, these Snoke Wars have."

-adult Grogu

[Mattris 416]

So many unintentional Star Wars allusions!

 

On 07/12/2022 at 2:26 PM, Stark said:

I just wish Mattris would also give us stock market predictions too.

 

If people get excited about Star Wars, Disney's stock will rise.

 

On 07/12/2022 at 3:17 PM, MrJosh said:

"Begun, these Snoke Wars have."

-adult Grogu

 

I'll be shocked if we ever see adult Grogu.

[Bellosh 3,419]

Star wars 

[Manakin Skywalker 4,897]

Star Trek

[Giftheck 916]

On 07/12/2022 at 8:24 PM, Manakin Skywalker said:

I have reason to believe that Mattris has been an advanced experimental prototype AI bot this entire time. Eventually, it might evolve enough to take over this entire forum.

[Stark 316]

I think Grogu will continue appearing in Star Wars media after all of us are dead. He’s a beloved character who will live hundreds of years in-universe and doesn’t even have an iconic actor to worry about replacing.

[Mattris 416]

If Star Wars is a good story, all of its characters and plot-lines were created to serve a purpose. Once Grogu's purpose has been fulfilled, one should not expect to see him again.

[Manakin Skywalker 4,897]

20 minutes ago, Mattris said:

If Star Wars is a good story, all of its characters and plot-lines were created to serve a purpose. Once Grogu's purpose has been fulfilled, one should not expect to see him again.

 

Like Palpatine pre-2019? 🤔

[Mattris 416]

No, like Palpatine post-2019.  

[mstrox 6,651]

What the fuck kind of emoji is that?  You making soup?

[blondheim 1,157]

Mattris makes me feel better about my embarrassing posts, whether they’re old, drunk or merely foolish.

[Mattris 416]

2 hours ago, mstrox said:

What the fuck kind of emoji is that?  You making soup?

 

FYI, that emoji does not represent me... or soup-making.

[Docteur Qui 1,544]

4 hours ago, Mattris said:

If Star Wars is a good story, all of its characters and plot-lines were created to serve a purpose. Once Grogu's purpose has been fulfilled, one should not expect to see him again.

 

Well then, let's hope your purpose on this forum is nearing its fulfilment

[Mattris 416]

Perhaps I'm multi-purposed.

 

@Docteur Qui, would you prefer if I left this forum?  If so, why?

 

Even if you think my Star Wars assessments are off-base, would you like it if they did come to pass?

 

Open to everyone.

[Pellaeon 593]

I’ve seen a lot of strange stuff, but I’ve never seen anything to make me believe there’s one all-powerful creative force controlling everything. It’s all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.

[Tallguy 3,398]

Incidentally, the best new line in The Princess, the Scoundrel, and the Farm Boy is when we see what happens when The Gang sneaks from the Falcon to the Control Room. Ben uses the Force to distract a bunch of troopers. Han wonders how he did that. In a voice that I WISH we had heard Alec Guinness use Ben says "Simple tricks and nonsense." It was the payoff that I never knew I needed!

 

[greenturnedblue 372]

5 hours ago, Mattris said:

Even if you think my Star Wars assessments are off-base, would you like it if they did come to pass?

 

 

Who knows, you wont say what your predictions are 

[Mattris 416]

10 hours ago, Pellaeon said:

I’ve seen a lot of strange stuff, but I’ve never seen anything to make me believe there’s one all-powerful creative force controlling everything. It’s all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.

 

Do you think there was/is no grand plan for Star Wars?  Regardless, why do you think George Lucas created it?

 

Can you fathom that Star Wars simply tricked its audience?  If so, would you consider that "nonsense"?

 

5 hours ago, greenturnedblue said:

 

Who knows, you wont say what your predictions are 

 

The stakes will be raised as the Saga continues.  By completing the revenge of the Sith and other insidious schemes of selfishness, Emperor Palpatine will prove he is the master of evil.

 

This Final Trilogy will tie the story together in a most impressive, definitive conclusion.  By the end, it will be clear that narrative of the Star Wars Saga was planned from its inception.

[DarthDementous 1,059]

It's honestly just sad at this point

[Mattris 416]

You have no idea how right you are.

[Manakin Skywalker 4,897]

12 hours ago, Mattris said:

Regardless, why do you think George Lucas created it?

 

Because he had a good, albeit originally disorganized, idea for a story that eventually came to fruition. After that it became 90% about the toy sales that made him massively rich, then sold everything to Disney so he could happily retire. Now he seems to spend most of his time at McDonald's.

 

[Chen G. 3,949]

On 07/12/2022 at 7:28 PM, Nick1Ø66 said:

Either Mattris is the architect of the most long-game, sustained & diabolical troll job in JWFan history

 

Just JWFan? 

 

8 hours ago, DarthDementous said:

It's honestly just sad at this point

 

Is it? Because I happen to think its hysterical.

[A. A. Ron 1,742]

8 hours ago, DarthDementous said:

It's honestly just sad at this point

 

13 minutes ago, Chen G. said:

Is it? Because I happen to think its hysterical.

 

Por que no los dos?

[Tallguy 3,398]

So... If there were no Star Wars toys to make money from what would The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi look like? How would they be different?

 

It's not like he blew up the Falcon in every movie so you'd have to go buy a new one. (*cough* Batmobile! Enterprise!)

[Chen G. 3,949]

10 hours ago, Tallguy said:

So... If there were no Star Wars toys to make money from what would The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi look like? How would they be different?

 

I personally don't buy the explanation that only after the runaway success of the original film did Lucas become so business oriented. Lucas was always a filmmaker who had an eye for the buck: that's why he made a film with the commercial potential of Star Wars, that's why he took over merchandizing, that's why he bargained for sequel rights, that's presumably why - once merchandizing rights were secured - he had Luke play with a spaceship toy in the foreground of a shot.

 

As for how The Empire Strikes Back would looked with less money: give Splinter of the Mind's Eye a spin...

[Mattris 416]

On 12/7/2022 at 11:28 AM, Nick1Ø66 said:

Either Mattris is the architect of the most long-game, sustained & diabolical troll job in JWFan history, or he's one hydrospanner short of a full toolbox, and in serious need of a restraining bolt.

 

It's really sort of a beautiful thing. If it is a troll job, you have to admire his persistence & dedication to his craft. Maybe he really is the most intelligent member of this forum?

 

I say that George Lucas is the architect of the most long-game, sustained & diabolical troll job in storytelling history. If he had restrained himself in recent years, his game would have suffered.

 

It's really sort of a beautiful thing. If it is a troll job, you have to admire his persistence & dedication to his craft. Maybe he really is the most intelligent storyteller in the world.

 

1 hour ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

Because he had a good, albeit originally disorganized, idea for a story that eventually came to fruition. After that it became 90% about the toy sales that made him massively rich, then sold everything to Disney so he could happily retire. Now he seems to spend most of his time at McDonald's.

 

What was the 'good idea for a story that eventually came to fruition'?

Do you blame the man for bargaining a profitable deal on the Star Wars merchandising?

Do you think he's happy in his retirement?

 

1 hour ago, Chen G. said:

Is it? Because I happen to think its hysterical.

 

[Brando 1,864]

2 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

Now he seems to spend most of his time at McDonald's.

 

Idk. This looks like mall Chinese food to me.