blondheim 1,157 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Pieter Boelen said: This is one film that I do believe lends itself well to a live-action approach. (Together with Atlantis and Treasure Planet; incidentally my three favourite Disney animations. ) These are interesting choices. I approve. All 3 are great films, and two of them in particular are under-rated in the extreme. Now if you had said Dinosaur, and you weren't referring to the awesome JNH score, I would have balked slightly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 10 hours ago, blondheim said: Now if you had said Dinosaur, and you weren't referring to the awesome JNH score, I would have balked slightly. Dinosaur doesn't really need a live-action remake, does it? It pretty much already is. Movie is decent enough, but not truly amazing. No wonder, since it's got Jurassic Park and Land Before Time to compete with. Music is excellent though. Love those JNH themes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 It is a rather shameless attempt at The Land Before Time, yes. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mstrox 6,651 Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 I liked Dinosaur more than Land Before Time - movie and score. JNH's finest during his very good run of Disney scores. The question is, are any of the thirteen (13!!!) Land Before Time sequels worth watching? Not Mr. Big and Jurassic Shark 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 I loved Dinosaur when I was younger. I rewatched again a few years ago and the movie is pretty flawed, but I like it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 50 minutes ago, Fabulin said: The Land Before Time is a pop mush compared to JNH's textbook example of great scoring though. The Land Before Time is a masterpiece, classical rip-offs and all. This comment makes me sad. I don't know who hurt you, but I'm sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 16 hours ago, Pieter Boelen said: Have you seen it? On 8/5/2020 at 10:04 AM, Jay said: Disney is finally releasing this film, on September 4th, on Disney+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 It was a rhetorical question! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 20 hours ago, Smeltington said: It was a rhetorical question! It was my way of trying to remain positive about it until proven otherwise. That said... I not at all happy with the release strategy. Cinema tickets here used to be 10 euro's. And I've got a cinema pass I haven't used in months. So I'm paying for nothing right now; and I have to pay three movie's worth of fee for a Disney+ service I'm also already paying for? I do understand where they're coming from. But that doesn't mean I have to like it. Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 New trailer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrayodiBA 517 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 Sample!: https://music.apple.com/nz/album/mulan-original-motion-picture-soundtrack/1529680028 Awaiting full release this midnight. Judging by the short sample on the very first track, it sounds really Narnian, and the rest, sounds really promising. This is really HGW back to his full fantasy mode. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrayodiBA 517 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 Its on spotify now. Well, after hearing it in full. Theose short samples can be deceiving indeed. This is no Jerry Goldsmith. And it’s far from his original score. And in fact, this is far from HGW’s own outing like Kingdom of Heaven or Narnia. This score is more in the vein of Prince of Persia. With a weaker, pedestrian theme. ( please do not even try to compare HGW’s Mulan theme with Goldsmith’s) As a major score release since pandemic broke out, this is underwhelming, especially when you expect HGW to channel his KoH. Yes, there are still nice moments here and there, but thats it. Its run of the mill effort by HGW and personally, this is not a repeat listens material ( Make me respect John Powell even more; the man can create all tracks engaging in their own, from start to finish) Yavar Moradi and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 This is HGW. Did we really expect something even close to the level of Goldsmith's masterpiece? Please. blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Edmilson 7,457 Posted September 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2020 Maybe not something Goldsmith-level, but I'd love an action fantasy score similar to The Chronicles of Narnia, Sinbad and Kingdom of Heaven. HGW is talented, and this movie was his best chance to bring back his 2000s style. Pieter Boelen, Once and A. A. Ron 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bondo 33 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Loving this score so far!! It’s very much akin to HGW’s Narnia and Prince of Persia. Decided to make an alternate cover for it... Pieter Boelen and Amer 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 I liked the score. There's some beautiful moments that bring back the HGW of Narnia and Kingdom of Heaven. The main theme is good, but it gets repetitive after a while. I didn't cared for the action music though. Too modern and electronic, could've been for an urban thriller instead of a Chinese epic. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 969 Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 It has it’s moments, I’ll admit. But overall, it’s just a bit bland. Nothing I will be in a hurry to return to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 On 9/5/2020 at 3:56 AM, LSH said: It has it’s moments, I’ll admit. But overall, it’s just a bit bland. Nothing I will be in a hurry to return to. Just finished listening to it and I agree with your assessment. A pity (the score, not our reaction to it)! LSH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 It's been two days since I listened to it, and now I can't remember a single note about it. It's a shame, HGW's other fantasy scores were more memorable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 Listened to it once this weekend. Can't say it's actually bad. It's decent; and functional. And nothing special. Whatever happened to the HGW who wrote Sinbad?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,692 Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 I listened to the opening few tracks; the main theme is pretty and functional. Not much more to say than that really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, Pieter Boelen said: Whatever happened to the HGW who wrote Sinbad?? He lost his mojo. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,110 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Just saw this movie last night. It wasnt that bad. And HGW score was pretty good just not as rich as I was expecting. SOme cues were were standout and I do intend to pick this cd soon. The themes are short but the overall orchestration is colorful and vivid, much like the cinematography.Anyways, I just pulled out my old Goldsmith Muan cd album. Hopefully, Disney will get to expanding this superb Goldsmith score out some day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ManofDestiny 71 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 I live in Hong Kong. We won't spent time to watch this. Even for free. Holko and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 No powipikff! Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,506 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Here's my review of this, should anyone be interested: http://celluloidtunes.no/mulan-harry-gregson-williams/ Yes, it's harsh. Pieter Boelen and Amer 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,110 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 39 minutes ago, Thor said: Here's my review of this, should anyone be interested: http://celluloidtunes.no/mulan-harry-gregson-williams/ Yes, it's harsh. Ouch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Jon Broxton from MMUK really liked the score, and called it one of the best adventure scores of the year: https://moviemusicuk.us/2020/09/11/mulan-harry-gregson-williams/ Though I wonder he said that because we didn't have many adventure scores this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,367 Posted September 11, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 11, 2020 Funny: I hadn't known they gave her super-powers in this movie, or that it featured villains that turn into animals... what's the point in taking a talking dragon out if you're just gonna do that? Pieter Boelen, Muad'Dib, Bayesian and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,363 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 On 9/9/2020 at 4:30 AM, Albus Percival Wulfric said: Overall it felt to me like a modern action version of some of the blatantly propaganda-friendly films made in the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany (or some more old-fashioned westerns). A character-moralizing message piled on a moralizing message, and not in the light-hearted animated way. The film is watchable and somewhat entertaining, but uncomfortable on the edges. The disturbing thing was that Mulan's father was characterized to resemble Xi: Most people in America wouldn’t get this reference. I wonder if Mulan was meant to play specifically strong in China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 On 9/11/2020 at 12:49 PM, Bayesian said: Most people in America wouldn’t get this reference. I wonder if Mulan was meant to play specifically strong in China. There’s no doubt in my mind that it was. Disney commonly likes to appeal to China with their films. Wasn’t there controversy and call for boycott awhile back in relation to one of the stars and the Hong Kong protests, in support of China? I vaguely remember something about that. Has very little to do with the film itself though, I’m sure it gives it a boost in China though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Many corporations appease China for their money. Tencent is slowly taking over the entire gaming industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Even still, the movie is being a box office bomb in China: https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2020/09/12/friday-box-office-mulan-tenet-x-men-new-mutants-china-movies/ TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,506 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 On 9/11/2020 at 6:18 PM, Edmilson said: Jon Broxton from MMUK really liked the score, and called it one of the best adventure scores of the year: It is neither the first, nor the last time Jon and I disagree strongly on a soundtrack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 969 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 So much effort, so little result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Lol. Something about reducing an entire musical culture to a sample library from which to pick and choose the sounds you like seems kind of problematic to me. But I guess that's how film music operates these days... TSMefford and publicist 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 On 9/12/2020 at 10:44 PM, Edmilson said: Even still, the movie is being a box office bomb in China Mulan may have flopped ‘theatrically’, but was in no way a flop. Reports indicate that about 9 million subscribers purchased the movie on VOD for a total of $270 million. Not only that, Disney can rake home all the profits since there are no middle hands. Goodbye movie theatres, it was fun while it lasted. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nearly-onethird-of-us-households-purchased-mulan-on-disney-for-30-fee-data-221410961.html?guccounter=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 2 hours ago, rough cut said: Mulan may have flopped ‘theatrically’, but was in no way a flop. Reports indicate that about 9 million subscribers purchased the movie on VOD for a total of $270 million. Not only that, Disney can rake home all the profits since there are no middle hands. Goodbye movie theatres, it was fun while it lasted. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nearly-onethird-of-us-households-purchased-mulan-on-disney-for-30-fee-data-221410961.html?guccounter=1 These reports are wrong. Mulan probably made about US$ 90 millions according to more reliable data. https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2020/09/20/mulan-making-sense-of-its-box-office-and-pvod-grosses/#28b0b4b63d13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 5 hours ago, KK said: Lol. Something about reducing an entire musical culture to a sample library from which to pick and choose the sounds you like seems kind of problematic to me. But I guess that's how film music operates these days... As opposed to picking and choosing the sounds you like from a musical culture without a sample library, like composers did for decades prior? Like every Irish or Scottish fiddle/flute/pipe sound in any movie score ever? Like every castanet/guitar combo ever evoking Spain? Like highland pipes ex machina for Ironfoot? Like Ney Flute? Sitar? The James Horner Shakuhachi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KK 3,307 Posted September 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2020 Those examples are all problematic in their own way. But at least when you're inviting musicians into a studio in early stages, there is a more conscious effort into understanding the ethos of a sound/colour/instrument outside the Western orchestral canon. There is room for play and exploration. Whereas increasingly advanced sample library presets are starting to kill the imagination in composers. There is also a difference between employing (and sometimes appropriating) such "non-traditional" instruments to generate a unique sound/textural palette (like Horner and the Shakuhachi, or Thomas Newman and half his career) and employing ethnic instrumentation to try to reflect the cultural context of the film (in this case, representing Ancient China). For the latter, I expect the composer to do their homework, especially with a massive budget picture like this. Making these nuanced choices all off of what sounds good on a computer is lazy lazy musicianship. And it probably explains why this Mulan score has no real personality of its own. Look to early Zimmer, or even Görannsson (for something more recent), for better examples of what more substantial investigations into musical worlds outside their own look like. TSMefford, blondheim, publicist and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 451 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 I don't think computers have anything to do with it. Did Dario Marianelli used a computer for Kubo? I thought that score was massively underwhelming as well (although probably had more personality than Mulan). HGW didn't seem that interested in incorporating Chinese style music in Mulan anyway. Just a couple token cues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 12 hours ago, LSH said: What a horrible, depressing video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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