Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 ANDERTON!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 @Jay Are you able to confirm whether Schubert's 8th Symphony (used when Anderton witnesses his crime) was taken wholesale from the Kleiber/Vienna recording listed in the end credits? It's a very well done edit if there was no additional material recorded by Williams to make it all fit the scene. There's a seemingly related but unused cue 2M6B Schubert Collage that has no place in the final cut of the film, because the preceding and following cues are used back to back in the final cut (2M6A Elevator Confrontation to 3M1 Anderton On The Run). I assume this will all be covered in the liner notes, so no worries if you can't say anything yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Five Tones 302 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Looking forward! Definitely was excited by the film and score when they arrived, and as an older fan felt reengaged with early 00s SS/JW. Haven't seen the film since the theatre and maybe a Blockbuster rental (lol). The OST has sat just inside my top 25 JW, but it's not a great program (I was so over JW's track 1 medleys by then) and the sound is hit and miss. I'm sure I'll be all over this expansion. Sean's Theme is so moving, and I connected with it in a different way once I experienced the vulnerable feeling of parenthood. Anderton's Great Escape is one of his best action cues of the past 20 years. Was he or SS making noises at the time about this being a monochromatic score like Herrmann's Psycho? It certainly has strong touches of Herrmann (so did AOTC in one or two places), and was dark and grainy for the most part, but far from monochromatic. Maybe in comparison to his more predominant neoromantic work, but hardly alone in that sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 1 hour ago, crumbs said: whether Schubert's 8th Symphony (used when Anderton witnesses his crime) was taken wholesale from the Kleiber/Vienna recording listed in the end credits? It's a very well done edit if there was no additional material recorded by Williams to make it all fit the scene. I'd assume it was Quote There's a seemingly related but unused cue 2M6B Schubert Collage that has no place in the final cut of the film, because the preceding and following cues are used back to back in the final cut (2M6A Elevator Confrontation to 3M1 Anderton On The Run). I'm guessing the B in 2M6B was not because it was intended to go after 2M6A, but because it was an idea as an alternate to 2M6, which was probably the cue number assigned to the Schubert recording. Like maybe they thought about replacing part or enhancing part with it with this new cue, then didn't go with it. Just speculation on my part, no inside info or anything. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 3 hours ago, crumbs said: Are you able to confirm whether Schubert's 8th Symphony (used when Anderton witnesses his crime) was taken wholesale from the Kleiber/Vienna recording listed in the end credits? It's a very well done edit if there was no additional material recorded by Williams to make it all fit the scene. To be honest with you I remember watching this in high school thinking that the edit was really noticeable. A highly effective and worthy addition to the "8th Symphony as Film Music" catalogue though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Nick Parker said: To be honest with you I remember watching this in high school thinking that the edit was really noticeable. A highly effective and worthy addition to the "8th Symphony as Film Music" catalogue though! I'm not overly familiar with the piece from which it was derived, so I guess the edits seemed more invisible to me. But I would have believed Williams adapted it to fit the scene if I'd been told as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 who cares about Shubert Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 A lot of people who are into classical music. But instead of listening to the butchered edit from the film, better get the whole thing: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 12 minutes ago, King Mark said: who cares about Shubert It's the best track from the score. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 It should've been the only track on the album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 It's all you need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 At least JW could have completed the symphony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 They needed a better composer than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 John Williams is completing his own Symphony with Rise of Skywalker! Mattris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: A lot of people who are into classical music. But instead of listening to the butchered edit from the film, better get the whole thing: Forget it Jurassic Shark, it's KM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: A lot of people who are into classical music. But instead of listening to the butchered edit from the film, better get the whole thing: I mean how lazy is this Shoe Bert? He never even finished the 8th symphony. What a bum! In the same category with Moe Zart! Like totally unlistenable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 21 minutes ago, Dixon Hill said: Forget it Jurassic Shark, it's KM. Yeah, I've noticed his mind's quite closed to classical music, even when it sounds like film music, just like Jay's. It's like the music gets infinitely more interesting if it has accompanied some moving puctures. I don't get it. 19 minutes ago, Incanus said: I mean how lazy is this Shoe Bert? He never even finished the 8th symphony. What a bum! In the same category with Moe Zart! I once read some musicological research on the fate of the unfinished. Through letters they discovered that when Shoe Bert was thinking about writing the last two movements of the 8th, he was distracted by a woman and the possibility of intercourse. Bye-bye symphony! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 I like some classical pieces but mot of it is boring Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 7, 2019 Author Share Posted October 7, 2019 Who cares if you listen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 No, no, no, there's a difference between hearing and listening to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Sítrónu 494 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 For me, Schubert's Unfinished is soooo connected to The Smurfs and Gargamel Jurassic Shark and crocodile 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 On 10/3/2019 at 3:16 PM, Jay said: My lips are sealed The suspense is killing me! Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,658 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, JohnnyD said: The suspense is killing me! The old guy did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 The suspense about what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 8, 2019 Author Share Posted October 8, 2019 The tracklist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Jay said: The suspense about what? Finding out all of the details, and finally getting the release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chewy 2,391 Posted October 8, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 8, 2019 4 hours ago, Jay said: The suspense about what? Missing teeth, etc... Incanus, redishere and bollemanneke 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 39 minutes ago, Chewy said: Missing teeth, etc... Yeah will Cruise on the cover be missing any teeth and will the CD case be missing any teeth. It's Toothgate all over again! redishere and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 44 minutes ago, Chewy said: Missing teeth, etc... It could be worse... Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 If he takes the bandages off, he'll go blind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: If he takes the bandages off, he'll go blind! Never scratch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 I just had a sudden flashback memory of that dirty eye surgeon with snot running down his nose... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lairdo 726 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 I just cannot recall that I saw this movie more than once - and that was in the theater when it arrived. I guess I have seen snippets on TV at times. I actually liked the movie, but I remember the overall sadness (probably due to Sean's Theme) of it. Having the official expanded score will of course get me to watch again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 8, 2019 Author Share Posted October 8, 2019 It was a very formative sci fi film for me as a teen. I saw it in theaters with my dad when I was 15, we both loved it, and then I probably watched it at least 20 times on DVD by the time I graduated high school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,689 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 I saw the movie when it came out (unusually - I had the chance to go and took it, rather than actively wanting to see it) and didn't really follow what was going on. I then saw it again maybe a decade ago and understood the plot and the story and actually enjoyed it. Although I think the title is rubbish, the whole idea of a 'minority report' where you see an 'echo' of something...? That's not a strong story point IMO. I listened again to The Greenhouse Effect on an above recommendation.. Sorry, still don't get it. I'll stick to listening to Anderton's Great Escape on loop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,316 Posted October 8, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 8, 2019 I rewatched the film when it was remastered in 4K and I really think it's one of Spielberg's best in the last few decades. How I wish he still made these dark, challenging films instead of the over-produced, fluffy efforts of late. Kaminski at the top of his game, thought-provoking ideas, an excellent (albeit slightly convoluted) script and a score that fits the film like a glove -- even if its atonality might put off some listeners when enjoyed apart from the film. Still, the work of Philip K. Dick clearly inspires the best from Spielberg. Hard to believe he directed this only a year after A.I. That said, I won't be rushing to order this one. I'll hold off until the BF slate in case there's more Williams and I can bundle the shipping fees into one order. Edmilson, Disco Stu, Mattris and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 8, 2019 Author Share Posted October 8, 2019 Bridge of Spies was the last film he made that was close to the same level, with dramatic and thematic meat on the bones to chew over. Maybe not "dark" like Minority Report, but certainly complex entertainment for grown ups. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 I worked in a movie theater at the time and saw it a few times for free. Haven't seen it since. I felt like it was an excellent sci-fi concept with great setpieces, but if I recall correctly I thought that it fell apart a bit toward the end. Maybe I'm due for a rewatch and some new appreciation. Either way, great score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 I had a whole new take on it seeing it in my late 30s compared to when I saw it when it came out and I was 22 mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 8, 2019 Author Share Posted October 8, 2019 43 minutes ago, mstrox said: I worked in a movie theater at the time and saw it a few times for free. Haven't seen it since. I felt like it was an excellent sci-fi concept with great setpieces, but if I recall correctly I thought that it fell apart a bit toward the end. Maybe I'm due for a rewatch and some new appreciation. Either way, great score. Don't be surprised to see your reaction change because you're a father now. mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Five Tones 302 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Jay said: I had a whole new take on it seeing it in my late 30s compared to when I saw it when it came out and I was 22 We now know Jay is an *elder millennial* (though young at heart) or perhaps a cusp gen-Xer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 I was born in 1979 The Five Tones 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 What's the definition of a millennial anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Here you go https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennials Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 6 hours ago, Richard Penna said: I then saw it again maybe a decade ago 4 hours ago, Jay said: I had a whole new take on it seeing it in my late 30s compared to when I saw it when it came out and I was 22 Stop kidding. The film can't be older than 7 or 8 years. It's from the new millennium after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,689 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 It came out in 2002. It's 17 years old. (wow) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Nah, definitely not more than seven years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,364 Posted October 8, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 8, 2019 Hmmm http://www.jwfan.com/?p=12537 Demondm810, Dr. Rick, Disco Stu and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 22 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: It came out in 2002. It's 17 years old. Jurassic Park is 17 years old! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 8, 2019 Author Share Posted October 8, 2019 15 minutes ago, Jay said: Hmmm http://www.jwfan.com/?p=12537 Woo hoo! Exclusive tracklist on JWFAN on Tuesday, Oct. 15th! BrotherSound and SteveMc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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