gkgyver 1,646 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 15 hours ago, bruce marshall said: Mark Isham respects me. That is good enough! You picked that as most memorable of the decade? BloodBoal would be ashamed of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,474 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 20 hours ago, Koray Savas said: I wonder who JWFan’s most ignored user is? *cough* Great question. I just tried poking through that Admin Control Panel and that doesn't seemed to be anything that is tracked, or at least not displayed anywhere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,319 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Maybe Lukas knows😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,602 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Treating the question seriously for a moment, even if that may not have been its intention: Zimmer has aged well, physically. He looks pretty good for someone in their 60s. Musically, he has evolved considerably. I will always prefer his 'golden period' between the late 80s and late 90s, but I don't expect him to stay there forever. I've continually been impressed by his decision to explore new territory, even if I don't connect as strongly to it on a personal level. But post-2000 stuff like SPIRIT, THE LAST SAMURAI, THE DA VINCI CODE, INCEPTION, MAN OF STEEL, THE LONE RANGER, INTERSTELLAR and CHAPPIE have been great both in context and on album. More ostinato-driven, perhaps, with big chords rather than fully formed power anthem melodies and such, but still great. I marvel at the visionary quality of something like DUNKIRK, even if it's closer to sound design than music score, and my appreciation is more how it works in context than on album. Finally, I think a lot of the stuff he did in his early days has 'aged' better than some of the "purer" synth composers of the era, like Faltermeyer, Hammer or Moroder. I love those guys to death too, but they bear their time more clearly on their sleeves (even if synthwave is now in fashion again). Zimmer's broader landscapes have a more timeless quality to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,319 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 I agree with the first paragraph. Much of his synth stuff sounds too much like Vangelis to me. I like RAIN MAN. Not much else in that vein. He is really the only major composer who can still surprise, good and bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,500 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 What happened with Zimmer and a popular reviewer on Facebook? People are saying Zimmer was drunk and made a personal attack against him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,195 Posted March 7, 2021 Author Share Posted March 7, 2021 It wasn't me. bollemanneke and JTN 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,500 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: It wasn't me. I said popular. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,195 Posted March 7, 2021 Author Share Posted March 7, 2021 Yeah, that's why it clearly wasn't me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 It was pretty pathetic from Hans. Ricard and JTN 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,579 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 What happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,500 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 First of all, I have to say that I don’t like Zimmer’s approach to music, as if it were a mass-produced product straight out of a factory... But now that I know he's a drunkard and a dick on the social medias... hmmm... JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,602 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 And why was this posted in the APPRECIATION thread, exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,500 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Thor said: And why was this posted in the APPRECIATION thread, exactly? Do we have to create a DEPRECIATION thread? JTN and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,195 Posted March 7, 2021 Author Share Posted March 7, 2021 Surely, people want the full picture of the man. JTN and Bespin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,579 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 Someone please post some prints or at the very least links to what happened, I need to see this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,602 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, Bespin said: Do we have to create a DEPRECIATION thread? No, but you could have created a separate thread for this issue. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,474 Posted March 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 7, 2021 I just found the perfect thread to move this discussion into Bespin, Thor, DarthDementous and 4 others 3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,195 Posted March 7, 2021 Author Share Posted March 7, 2021 I reckon HanZ would love to give feedback on this thread. JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 Sometimes, I dig Zimmer's unfiltered honesty in some of these interactions. Fanboy entitlement could always use a healthy shakeup. In this case however, he was just being a dick. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Taikomochi 1,143 Posted March 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 7, 2021 Honestly, I’d wear it as a badge of honor if criticism I wrote made the artist have a tantrum like that. Bilbo, LSH, Holko and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,195 Posted March 7, 2021 Author Share Posted March 7, 2021 Can someone please share a link to this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,143 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 I haven’t seen the actual posts. Just this thread recounting: Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 I've only seen Erik's summation of the events. Apparently it was in response to the 4 hour length of JXL's upcoming Justice League score. Someone said something like: "it would have to be the best score in the world to warrant that length". And Southall wrote "Exactly.", to which Zimmer responded: Deacon Blues and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,195 Posted March 7, 2021 Author Share Posted March 7, 2021 MikeH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Taikomochi 1,143 Posted March 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 7, 2021 Imagine being one of the most popular musicians on earth and still being such a fucking loser. JTN, Falstaft, Jurassic Shark and 11 others 10 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom Guernsey 2,314 Posted March 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, Taikomochi said: Imagine being one of the most popular musicians on earth and still being such a fucking loser. Quite. What an arrogant and rude thing to say to a reviewer expressing their opinions. Definitely leaves a super sour taste in the mouth that HZ can be such a petulant prick. Ricard, crumbs, Taikomochi and 6 others 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Edmilson 7,579 Posted March 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 7, 2021 That was so pathetic. And it wasn't even the first time. I remember reading somewhere (probably here) that Zimmer went on a furious rant against Jon Broxton due to him criticizing (again) JXL. Tom Guernsey, Bespin, crumbs and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 I remember saying years ago in one or two threads that Zimmer's music will age horribly. Like Jean-Michel Jarre. In some ways, even Vangelis will prove to be more "timeless" than Zimmer's state of the art sound - meaning at the time it was written. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,489 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 State of the Art Digital Sound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bespin 8,500 Posted March 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 7, 2021 I think Zimmer should learn how to respond in style to his detractors! Ricard, Falstaft and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 http://www.movie-wave.net/the-end-of-an-error/ Is this a fallout from that? Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 He's almost as bad as John Ottoman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,489 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 Zimmer was a part of the Nolan Batman Borefest Trilogy, which people were declaring the greatest comic films ever made upon release while absolutely trashing the original films and Danny Elfman scores. A few of us were unphased by the pop cultural shifts, still loved the originals and criticized Nolan and of course Zimmer. But after the one with Bane came out, everyone suddenly warmed up to the original films as though the Nolan Borefests never occurred and were retroactively declaring Batman Returns the greatest Batman film despite the intense criticism it endured for many years. "You actually like this one? The Penguin rides around in a rubber duck car." I'm wondering, how are the Zimmer scores now regarded since the dust has settled and everyone just went back to respecting the 1989 Saga and recognizing the Elfman theme as the definitive Batman theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 7, 2021 In 2008, film score newbies were hypnotised by Zimmer's trademark low register tones that'd kick their subwoofers into gear, because ultra low bass appeals to their machoism, and babes get wet over a bloke with big woofer cones thumping out Zimmer scores in their car. Van_Etten, TSMefford and JTN 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,579 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 If Zimmer gets this annoyed because people are criticizing Junkie, imagine how he would react to critics of Lorne Balfe. JTN and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ricard 2,245 Posted March 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 7, 2021 #CancelZimmer Bespin, Gruesome Son of a Bitch, Bayesian and 1 other 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,364 Posted March 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 7, 2021 Zimmer really does come across like a pretentious knob, doesn't he? Holko, Ricard and Tom Guernsey 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,579 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 I think it's rather funny Zimmer acting like an overbearing mom protecting their children Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,489 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Zimmer was so determined to Cancel his wife, he went to LA at the height of the Pandemic and disobeyed the Stay At Home orders just to sign the papers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bored 318 Posted March 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2021 Of all of the hills Zimmer chose to die on, he chose Junkie XL? How poetic, the master of BWAHM, and the master of BAM together, shitting on film scoring. bollemanneke, JTN, Bespin and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bespin 8,500 Posted March 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2021 Hans Zimmer is to film music, what Sara Lee is to pastry. Bayesian, JTN, The Illustrious Jerry and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 969 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 He's always been an arsehole to those beneath him. He used to be quite active on the VI Control forum. I once started a thread asking advice on how to replicate a specific Thomas Newman sound. He basically replied: "Hire George Doering in for a session." Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Critics can’t take criticism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,334 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 3 hours ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: I'm wondering, how are the Zimmer scores now regarded since the dust has settled and everyone just went back to respecting the 1989 Saga and recognizing the Elfman theme as the definitive Batman theme. I do think there's an entire generation that identify the Batman logo with Zimmer's brass bwaaaahms. People would go mental if they did another one and that was at the end of the trailer. Nolan/Zimmer are basically considered an iconic collab at this point and The Dark Knight is going down as a classic movie, like it or not. The score too, I guess, although I feel like Inception and Interstellar get the most mentions for Zimmer. I may be out of the loop, though, but in general I think their Batmans are considered more definitive as Nolan/Zimmer scores than as Batman scores? Like I don't think anybody's really comparing it to Elfman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,500 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Nolan, Howard, Villeneuve, they all fed the beast... JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,334 Posted March 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2021 18 minutes ago, Koray Savas said: Critics can’t take criticism? Zimmer can say whatever tf he wants but he's obviously punching wayyyyyyy down here. Erik Woods, Bilbo and Taikomochi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bored 318 Posted March 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2021 19 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: I do think there's an entire generation that identify the Batman logo with Zimmer's brass bwaaaahms. People would go mental if they did another one and that was at the end of the trailer. Nolan/Zimmer are basically considered an iconic collab at this point and The Dark Knight is going down as a classic movie, like it or not. The score too, I guess, although I feel like Inception and Interstellar get the most mentions for Zimmer. I may be out of the loop, though, but in general I think their Batmans are considered more definitive as Nolan/Zimmer scores than as Batman scores? Like I don't think anybody's really comparing it to Elfman. It's funny because I think James Newton Howard's work on Batman Begins and TDK is far superior to most of Zimmer's work on those films. "Bruce Left For Dead" from the complete score of Batman Begins being my favorite example of how the heart of the music was really Howard. LSH, Falstaft, JTN and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,334 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Yeah but just as objectively as possible, JNH is totally forgotten in those movies, like he doesn't factor in when people talk about them and they don't seem to factor when people talk about his career. Personally I don't really care, I don't think about them, I don't listen to the scores or watch the movies. I watch the Joker scenes on YouTube sometimes because Ledger is brilliant. But those movies and scores are definitely touchstones for tons of people, no question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 36 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: Zimmer can say whatever tf he wants but he's obviously punching wayyyyyyy down here. He comes across as unfriendly and antagonistic online towards anyone politely asking for help. Reminds me a bit of Ford Thaxton. I'll never forget when he wished death on someone he disapproved of on Facebook through some platitude meme graphic, maniac. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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