Tallguy 3,402 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, Brónach said: Also. This score is cooler than most of the previous score. Meh. There were moments during the film where I thought "Wow. That's some cool music right there!" But then I went to listen to the score and if there are parts that grab me I haven't gotten to them. OTOH the original Strange is one of my top 5 MG. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyemery 4 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 On 7/5/2022 at 2:49 PM, ddddeeee said: Related but also unrelated note (dunno how well known this is): Elfman was asked to score X-Men 3 but turned it down. Can you find a source that confirms this? I'd love to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 994 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 I want the source that says Lalo Schiffrin was considered for X3 as well. dyemery 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaaaackified 81 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 2 hours ago, HunterTech said: I want the source that says Lalo Schiffrin was considered for X3 as well. I believe that's due to Brett Ratner's directorial work before X-Men 3 were scored either by Schifrin or Elfman. I don't think that's rumor, just people making guesses based on Ratner's track records after he was announced as director dyemery 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark 316 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 I have mixed feelings on this score... it’s very well written but the themes are so weak and weakly used (and Wanda’s theme is lifted from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 451 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Stark said: I have mixed feelings on this score... it’s very well written but the themes are so weak and weakly used (and Wanda’s theme is lifted from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory!) Also the Spider-Man theme and Batman themes are in there as well. But I didn't mind too much. I am a James Horner fan after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,473 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mephariel said: Also the Spider-Man theme and Batman themes are in there as well. Where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,293 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Figured the Charlie and the Chocolate Factory thing would be called out on here, glad I wasn't just going crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry 13 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 So this is just my general opinion on scores. Now scores are my favorite genre of music to listen to and basically all I listen to, but for me I think themes are important, but not the most important. I like when themes are used sparingly and not relied on to much. I think it can work well for a score to have themes but believe there is a fine line between using themes and relying on them for everything. I love when a composer for any type of film can score a scene or sequence or sequences without having to use a theme, but also think themes can be useful. Hope that all made sense and would love to hear others thoughts. Taikomochi and JNHFan2000 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 I thought Elfman used the DS theme tastefully. Is it just me, or has his action writing really improved? I love those wailing trombones! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,402 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Alex said: I thought Elfman used the DS theme tastefully. Is it just me, or has his action writing really improved? I love those wailing trombones! I'd give him a notch above Henry Jackman's "use" of the Captain America theme. DS is one of my favorite MCU themes so I was disappointed, but not surprised. At least we had No Way Home. Bofur01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alex 2,835 Posted May 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 11, 2022 50 minutes ago, Tallguy said: I'd give him a notch above Henry Jackman's "use" of the Captain America theme. DS is one of my favorite MCU themes so I was disappointed, but not surprised. At least we had No Way Home. I would say that Elfman's take on the DS theme is far superior (See Battle Time) than anything Giacchino did in NWH. Giacchino quoted Elfman's themes more or less verbatim and did not really add anything new. I think Elfman struck a nice balance. He didn't go full "Force Theme in the Sequel Trilogy", but equally he didn't go "Brief quote of Hedwig's Theme at the beginning of the film". Sure, he could have used it more, but equally he was under no obligation to use it, and he took the time to actually rearrange and reorchestrate it, more than what Giacchino did. Not that I'm particularly a Giacchino hater or anything, and it was great to hear the various themes in NWH, but it was almost like he just tracked them in. I think I'm just an Elfman apologist because we are both ginger, and we must stick together. artus_grayboot, Cerebral Cortex, Edmilson and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davide Leo 0 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 My opinion on the reuse of the Charlie and the chocolate factory theme is this: It was written as a music box waltz for elfman’s son Oliver, born in 2005, and then tracked in the Tim burton film for just one cue (Golden ticket/factory). Later on he found it was perfect, also in terms of creating an intimate link with the story, to use that theme for a character that is obsessed with maternity. edit: that’s just speculation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,360 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 43 minutes ago, Alex said: I would say that Elfman's take on the DS theme is far superior (See Battle Time) than anything Giacchino did in NWH. Giacchino quoted Elfman's themes more or less verbatim and did not really add anything new. I think Elfman struck a nice balance. He didn't go full "Force Theme in the Sequel Trilogy", but equally he didn't go "Brief quote of Hedwig's Theme at the beginning of the film". Sure, he could have used it more, but equally he was under no obligation to use it, and he took the time to actually rearrange and reorchestrate it, more than what Giacchino did. Not that I'm particularly a Giacchino hater or anything, and it was great to hear the various themes in NWH, but it was almost like he just tracked them in. I think I'm just an Elfman apologist because we are both ginger, and we must stick together. But what about Giacchino's usage of his own DS theme? 1 hour ago, Tallguy said: I'd give him a notch above Henry Jackman's "use" of the Captain America theme. DS is one of my favorite MCU themes so I was disappointed, but not surprised. At least we had No Way Home. Did he even use it? Wasn't it just tracked in fron Silverstri's score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, Counterparts said: But what about Giacchino's usage of his own DS theme? I like how it plays around with Gia's Spider-Man theme in "Sling vs Bling"! Cerebral Cortex and Bofur01 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddddeeee 259 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 I thought Giacchino's use of his own Doctor Strange theme in NWH was really lacking. I liked the first use of it, but it lost its character afterwards. On 10/05/2022 at 5:18 PM, dyemery said: Can you find a source that confirms this? I'd love to know. There was a Powell interview in which he was asked how he came to be involved with the project. In typical Powell fashion, he said, 'Because Danny Elfman was too busy' - or something to that effect. I'll try to find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,402 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Counterparts said: But what about Giacchino's usage of his own DS theme? Did he even use it? Wasn't it just tracked in fron Silverstri's score? Hence my saying "used" in quotes. I have heard it insisted that it was newly recorded from Silvestri's score. I can't tell you more than that. Other than Bond and Star Wars what composers have really based a score on another composer's theme? Certainly not in anything resembling the modern era. They'll usually sprinkle in a quick reference or two or just needle-drop and existing use of a theme. (The worst for me was when MG used a quick snip of Amok Time in Into Darkness - that was buried under sound effects and had to be pointed out to the most die-hard Star Trek fans - and then said "Hey! I used Original Series music!") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bofur01 245 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 12 minutes ago, Tallguy said: Hence my saying "used" in quotes. I have heard it insisted that it was newly recorded from Silvestri's score. I can't tell you more than that. Other than Bond and Star Wars what composers have really based a score on another composer's theme? Certainly not in anything resembling the modern era. They'll usually sprinkle in a quick reference or two or just needle-drop and existing use of a theme. (The worst for me was when MG used a quick snip of Amok Time in Into Darkness - that was buried under sound effects and had to be pointed out to the most die-hard Star Trek fans - and then said "Hey! I used Original Series music!") Does Solo qualify? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,969 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 4 hours ago, Alex said: I would say that Elfman's take on the DS theme is far superior (See Battle Time) than anything Giacchino did in NWH. Giacchino quoted Elfman's themes more or less verbatim and did not really add anything new. I think Elfman struck a nice balance. He didn't go full "Force Theme in the Sequel Trilogy", but equally he didn't go "Brief quote of Hedwig's Theme at the beginning of the film". Sure, he could have used it more, but equally he was under no obligation to use it, and he took the time to actually rearrange and reorchestrate it, more than what Giacchino did. Not that I'm particularly a Giacchino hater or anything, and it was great to hear the various themes in NWH, but it was almost like he just tracked them in. I think I'm just an Elfman apologist because we are both ginger, and we must stick together. I do think Elfman could have used the theme more. I wish he used the theme in a dark, twisted, horrific way for the scenes with Strange at the end of the film. That would've been really cool. I stand by that I would've liked to hear more of Giacchino's score & would've loved to hear Beck's theme, this is still a spectacular score. And as a fellow ginger, I agree with your final statement. artus_grayboot and Bofur01 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 On 09/05/2022 at 3:57 PM, Jay said: Physical edition announced by Mondo https://thathashtagshow.com/2022/05/09/doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness-2xlp-soundtrack-from-mondo/ This sold out instantly https://mondoshop.com/products/marvels-doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness-original-soundtrack-2xlp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,360 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 5 hours ago, Tallguy said: Other than Bond and Star Wars what composers have really based a score on another composer's theme? I believe Rozsa quoted Stotharts themes to Mrs. Miniver in The Miniver Story. Horner using Courage in TWoK A lot of MV/RC scores technically do this, but that's not what you are talking about Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,402 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 33 minutes ago, Counterparts said: Horner using Courage in TWoK He's actually the only Star Trek (movie) composer who really embraced "This is Star Trek. I'm going to use Star Trek music." I haven't timed it or anything but I think he used more Courage music in 3 than he did in 2. I was a little surprised when the most recognizable theme that Silvestri used that wasn't his was freaking Ant-Man! (Yes he used Captain Marvel, but it was pretty subtle.) I don't know if it's studios saying "We're not paying for the rights" or the composers saying "We don't want to use other people's music." Maybe it's a team effort? artus_grayboot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,360 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Cliff Eidelman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,402 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, Counterparts said: Cliff Eidelman. I assume we're talking Star Trek? He played the Courage theme less than Goldsmith! (OK, maybe it's a tie.) Certainly about as much as Elfman played Doctor Strange! (Topic!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,360 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 He used it in the trailer music,, Clearing All moorings, and in the finale and the sign off! Goldsmith only used it once in score for the Placque in V. Courage wrote the variations in TMP The rest only play in the opening and ending credits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,402 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 Rather than further derail this thread: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 455 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 On 09/05/2022 at 4:52 PM, May the Force be with You said: Too bad they don't do CD Well at least some people will be happy, better than nothing It wouldn't surprise me if Intrada gets the green light for a CD release, since they've collaborated with Elfman, Marvel and Disney before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,969 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 7 hours ago, Tallguy said: I was a little surprised when the most recognizable theme that Silvestri used that wasn't his was freaking Ant-Man! (Yes he used Captain Marvel, but it was pretty subtle.) Not entirely sure what you're saying. But Captain Marvel's theme in Endgame was anything but subtle. Ant-Man's theme was far from a subtle reference that the all out explosion of the theme from Captain Marvel. And he used a great version of Dr. Strange's theme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 And he used Black Panther's theme too 5 hours ago, Matt C said: It wouldn't surprise me if Intrada gets the green light for a CD release, since they've collaborated with Elfman, Marvel and Disney before. As much as I would love that to be true there's very little chance that it happens. Look at last year Jungle Cruise despite being scored by JNH didn't get a CD release nor did Black Panther 4 years ago while you could have think that after all the awards it won it would have sell very well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 I still am not sure if the BP theme was just tracked in Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,038 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 1 hour ago, MedigoScan said: I still am not sure if the BP theme was just tracked in Same with captain marvel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 heck in Alan Silvestri's shoes I would also choose to quote the Ant-Man theme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 I'm hoping that Peyton Reed gets the Fantastic Four MCU movie, that it's a 60s period movie, and that Christophe Beck writes a kickass throwback theme for it in the style of like a Schifrin/Mancini kinda thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 No to Peyton Reed, yes to Christophe Beck Disco Stu and JNHFan2000 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,038 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Brónach said: No to Peyton Reed, yes to Christophe Beck I’m kinda getting tired with the same 6 Composers doing every superhero movie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 No to Peyton Reed, no to Christophe Beck! DangerMotif and A. A. Ron 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Edmilson 7,473 Posted May 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 12, 2022 No to Peyton Reed, no to Christophe Beck (even though I like his Ant-Man scores), yes to John Powell! Tom Guernsey, A. A. Ron and Tallguy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,603 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 On 11/05/2022 at 11:16 AM, Tallguy said: Other than Bond and Star Wars what composers have really based a score on another composer's theme? Certainly not in anything resembling the modern era. They'll usually sprinkle in a quick reference or two or just needle-drop and existing use of a theme. 22 hours ago, Counterparts said: I believe Rozsa quoted Stotharts themes to Mrs. Miniver in The Miniver Story. Correct, and there are even some other Golden Age examples, the best example of which is probably Franz Waxman using multiple Alfred Newman themes from The Robe in his score for the sequel, Demetrius and the Gladiators... Yavar Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 3 hours ago, Edmilson said: No to Peyton Reed, no to Christophe Beck (even though I like his Ant-Man scores), yes to John Powell! No to Edmilson! Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,038 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 would make a great F4 theme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,641 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 No matter who composes it, I'm sure Fantastic Four will sound like every other MCU score. artus_grayboot and mstrox 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenturnedblue 372 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 What's the bet Gia ends up scoring it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,969 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 I think that's a bit less likely now that Jon Watts isn't directing anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,287 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 Nice to see DE getting quoted in a national newspaper… Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness composer reveals ‘last second’ change made to key scene mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 No to Peyton Reed, yes to Krasinski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,287 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 3 hours ago, Not Mr. Big said: No matter who composes it, I'm sure Fantastic Four will sound like every other MCU score. Be good to let John Ottman have another go. His F4 scores are great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,969 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 I never really connected with his Fantastic 4 scores. I might try them again, but they always sounded a bit anonymous to me. Same for X2, great theme, but the rest is a bit, meh. Days Of Future Past has really great parts, and really not so great parts. I think X-Men: Apocalypse is his best Marvel score. The opening alone is worth the exploring the album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 What would be great would be to get JNH to score it, he's always good with fantastic movies Tallguy and Mr. Who 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,287 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 1 hour ago, JNHFan2000 said: I never really connected with his Fantastic 4 scores. I might try them again, but they always sounded a bit anonymous to me. Same for X2, great theme, but the rest is a bit, meh. Days Of Future Past has really great parts, and really not so great parts. I think X-Men: Apocalypse is his best Marvel score. The opening alone is worth the exploring the album. Giving the first of his F4 scores another listen this morning and it’s actually great fun. I would recommend another listen. The main themes are decent and it’s actually fairly characterful, with some decent action music too. Might give Silver Surfer another listen later. JNHFan2000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2022 What's with all the Peyton Reed dissing, his Ant-Man movies are a lot of fun. Tiburon, Yavar Moradi, mstrox and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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