John Williams & Berliner Philharmoniker 14th/15th/16th Oct 2021

[oweron 7]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1tq4y1G7Wo?p=2&spm_id_from=pageDriver 

 

Here you can watch the concert on video

[Ricard 2,254]

8 hours ago, Jay said:

 

The original version he recorded in 1984 was only released on a rare CD in Japan titled "The Official Music Of The XXIIIrd Olympiad Los Angeles 1984":

 

https://www.discogs.com/release/544704-Various-The-Official-Music-Of-The-XXIIIrd-Olympiad-Los-Angeles-1984

 

Thr original version had a wide release on LP and cassette all around the world. Japan was the only country where it was released on CD because the format was still in its infancy.

[Bespin 8,648]

2 minutes ago, Ricard said:

 

Thr original version had a wide release on LP and cassette all around the world. Japan was the only country where it was released on CD because the format was still in its infancy.

 

That's a rare one, I don't have it... the recording on this album was never reissued.

 

[Jay 38,745]

Post reworded! 

[heritage 73]

So which of the three Berlin Concerts was the best 

[Steve 608]

9 minutes ago, heritage said:

So which of the three Berlin Concerts was the best 

I was there friday and saturday. Saturday was a better performance. Friday was also very good though. 

[bollemanneke 3,529]

So do we know if the digital concert hall version is bound to be that of Saturday? Or would they include better/different footage? Also, is that version bound to be the one released physically?

[ciarlese 265]

22 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

So do we know if the digital concert hall version is bound to be that of Saturday? Or would they include better/different footage? Also, is that version bound to be the one released physically?

I am 99% sure it's not.

The DigitalConcert app still says that the concert is being edited (while they were able to broadcast  Saturday's evening recording the following afternoon): that means they will offer on demand a different edit then the unedited Saturday performance.

Also, I went on Thursdays and the wall mounted cameras at the back sides of the orchestra were definitely operating.

On top of that, I am sure they want to include the recording of the Princess Leia's theme, only played on Thursday.

 

[MaxTheHouseelf 329]

I don't see why they would choose another performance for the Digital Concert Hall, because for all recent concerts, they always put the last performance in their archive, as it was announced in their concert calendar. So I think it's safe the saturday performance will show up there.

 

If they recorded all three concerts it makes most sense of course that they choose the best performances out of the three concert recordings, so that the release might feature a mix of all three. But as far as I know, it's not confirmed that they really recorded all three, would make the most sense though. We have to wait and see... Would be nice to have something before end of the year

 

Edit: Right, that will be interesting to see if they include Princess Leia's Theme...

[GlastoEls 565]

Thank goodness Williams didn’t wear a blue tie on one night, and grey the next!

[bollemanneke 3,529]

Question, did the people who watch either on Saturday or later have to deal with a presenter too? I really dislike that radio woman interrupting things, but don'tk now if the sound on the radio was better or not.

[Sunshine Reger 3,571]

13 hours ago, MaxTheHouseelf said:

it's not confirmed that they really recorded all three

They did record on Thursday

[MaxTheHouseelf 329]

Then let's hope for a nice album release

[BB-8 3,796]

2 hours ago, Fabulin said:

They did record on Thursday

Those large retro-style mics were positioned each time to capture the cello during the Elegy.

[Jurassic Shark 12,775]

That could also have been to amplify the soloist during the performance.

[MaxTheHouseelf 329]

21 minutes ago, BB-8 said:

Those large retro-style mics were positioned each time to capture the cello during the Elegy.

Yeah ok then it's clear that everything was captured.

 

On the digital concert hall website, they now put a concert that took place on 23.10, before (!) the Williams one in the "available soon" list.

[BB-8 3,796]

1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said:

That could also have been to amplify the soloist during the performance.

Or the mics were just deco ;-)

[Jurassic Shark 12,775]

Or they were hidden cameras...

[Matt S. 550]

 

6 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said:

Or they were hidden cameras...

 

 

 

[Luke Skywalker 1,925]

I love Williams joke there

[victorrt 21]

I want the physical release to be confirmed already!

 

Just to be sure it will happen 

[eitam 368]

10 hours ago, Matt S. said:

 

 

 

 

 

Aww, so he was camera shy at the time.... How far he's come that he got a starring role in the last Star Wars ! 

[bollemanneke 3,529]

42 minutes ago, victorrt said:

I want the physical release to be confirmed already!

 

Just to be sure it will happen 

yes, just pre-ordering would be hugely satisfying.

[aj_vader 556]

They've added times next to the concert listings and also they've added Leia's Theme (sorry if that's already been mentioned). Maybe Wlliams/Digital Concert Hall is choosing the 'best' recording of each piece from the three concerts? 

 

https://www.digitalconcerthall.com/en/concert/53783

[bollemanneke 3,529]

I want this under the Christmas tree!

Also, those timings definitely include speeches!

[ciarlese 265]

On 24/10/2021 at 2:43 PM, Jurassic Shark said:

That could also have been to amplify the soloist during the performance.

 

there was no amplified music in the concert hall.

57 minutes ago, aj_vader said:

They've added times next to the concert listings and also they've added Leia's Theme (sorry if that's already been mentioned). Maybe Wlliams/Digital Concert Hall is choosing the 'best' recording of each piece from the three concerts? 

 

https://www.digitalconcerthall.com/en/concert/53783

No time for Leia's Theme though :(.

Well, Marion's theme doesn't have time too, and I am sure they will include it.

[Jurassic Shark 12,775]

...that you know of. At classical concerts it can be very subtle.

[ciarlese 265]

Just now, Jurassic Shark said:

...that you know of. At classical concerts it can be very subtle.

In a hall like that with that level of live acoustic?
Can you provide actual examples?

[Jurassic Shark 12,775]

Well, I've experienced it at several classical concerts in concert halls designed specifically for orchestras. My impression is that it's quite common.

[Steve 608]

It will be fun comparing the release and the stream. Surely some mistakes will be patched. 

[bollemanneke 3,529]

They'd better not remove anything he said.

RED ALERT I THINK IT IS UP IN DIGITAL CONCERT HALL

[MaxTheHouseelf 329]

1 hour ago, bollemanneke said:

 

RED ALERT I THINK IT IS UP IN DIGITAL CONCERT HALL

 

It is. https://www.digitalconcerthall.com/en/concert/53783

[bollemanneke 3,529]

I expect comparative analyses in the morning.

[Tom 4,944]

I thought these concerts had been cancelled.  

[E-Wan 66]

So the concert is cut to separate videos for individual pieces, isn't it?

[Marian Schedenig 8,774]

4 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said:

Well, I've experienced it at several classical concerts in concert halls designed specifically for orchestras. My impression is that it's quite common.

 

I've never experienced it at "proper" concerts, except if there were amplified instruments like an e-bass - and then it was quite obvious. Tanglewood was amplified, and compare to other amplified orchestral concerts I've heard it was relatively well done, but it was clearly noticeable for some of the solo instruments, and the choir sounded wrong.

[JohnnyD 1,272]

2 hours ago, MaxTheHouseelf said:

 

It is. https://www.digitalconcerthall.com/en/concert/53783

Sweet! I REALLY hope that this concert will be released on CD and/or Blu-Ray. In fact, make it 4K Blu-Ray with Dolby Atmos!

[BB-8 3,796]

5 hours ago, ciarlese said:

In a hall like that with that level of live acoustic?
Can you provide actual examples?

Harp

[ciarlese 265]

3 hours ago, MaxTheHouseelf said:

 

It is. https://www.digitalconcerthall.com/en/concert/53783

 

There is an editing issue at the beginning of Adventures of Han: the first couple of seconds of the video are repeated. The audio is ok.

And for some reason the spoken introduction to Jurassic Park is missing.

[crumbs 14,584]

So you can't sit down to watch the full concert, only chunks for each piece? Weird choice.

[BB-8 3,796]

5 hours ago, crumbs said:

So you can't sit down to watch the full concert, only chunks for each piece? Weird choice.

It's due to the superficial playlist mentality of our times.

Also no interview with John Williams himself? Or footage from rehearsals?

 

[bollemanneke 3,529]

That's just stupid.

[BB-8 3,796]

 

So at the end of the day, VPO and DG may have done a better job?

 

Can we still hope for nice deluxe editions on CD, CD/Bluray, vinyl, or is this it?

[bollemanneke 3,529]

What's the audio quality of the digital concert hall version now? Also, did anyone manage to capture the sound of the live stream o Saturday, so not the radio program?

[Luke Skywalker 1,925]

47 minutes ago, BB-8 said:

 

So at the end of the day, VPO and DG may have done a better job?

 

They may have done more…

[Jurassic Shark 12,775]

I was about to say the same thing.

[crumbs 14,584]

1 hour ago, BB-8 said:

Also no interview with John Williams himself? Or footage from rehearsals?

 

That seems weird to me, that they never sat down to interview him for the occasion. Didn't he have one interview with ASM and another with Sarah Willis, to commemorate Vienna?

[victorrt 21]

Do we have previous releases in DVD/Blu-Ray of concerts from the Berliner Philharmoniker, or just audio releases?

 

Now I am fearing no physical release in video will happen  

[BB-8 3,796]

9 minutes ago, victorrt said:

Do we have previous releases in DVD/Blu-Ray of concerts from the Berliner Philharmoniker, or just audio releases?

 

Now I am fearing no physical release in video will happen  

[MaxTheHouseelf 329]

1 hour ago, BB-8 said:

It's due to the superficial playlist mentality of our times.

Also no interview with John Williams himself? Or footage from rehearsals?

 

No JW interview, some rehearsal footage is in the bonus interview.

 

1 hour ago, BB-8 said:

So at the end of the day, VPO and DG may have done a better job?

 

Can we still hope for nice deluxe editions on CD, CD/Bluray, vinyl, or is this it?

The video footage is already a thousand times better than the Vienna recording. So many interesting angles of the musicians (many close ups; harp, celeste etc.). It's much more lively.

 

1 hour ago, bollemanneke said:

What's the audio quality of the digital concert hall version now? Also, did anyone manage to capture the sound of the live stream o Saturday, so not the radio program?

I think it's 256 Kbit/s, 48 kHz/24 bit in stereo AAC (very high quality). https://help.berliner-philharmoniker.de/hc/en-us/articles/202775228-What-audio-video-formats-are-used-to-broadcast-the-concerts-

 

Just now, victorrt said:

Do we have previous releases in DVD/Blu-Ray of concerts from the Berliner Philharmoniker, or just audio releases?

 

Now I am fearing no physical release in video will happen  

 

The big boxsets they released have a bluray, yes.

Again: Andrea Zietzschmann, general manager of the BerlinPhil said in a radio interview (14.10.21) they "hope to release something for a large audience" and "they're currently working out how to release it".

As I understand it, additionally to Digital Concert Hall. Just relax, I'm sure they make an album release, however this is the most official information about it we got, at the moment :))

 

 

Man, people who attended the first concert we're in for a treat with Princess Leia's Theme, the flutist is fantastic! Strings sound so warm and smooth. John is smiling throughout the concert and, as some mentioned here already, he appears to be so relaxed and comfortable. The orchestra is also fantastically responsive to his conducting, now that I can see more than his back, haha. What a fantastic concert.