thx99 1,740 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 10 hours ago, Chewy said: RotS is definitely cleaner and the usual 15.735 kHz frequencies that are inherent to the recording are very "precise" on RotS compared to TPM and AotC. There is no 15.735 kHz tone in the TPM or RotS spectrograms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 The Revenge of the Sith 2018 release has distortion present over the Battle of the Heroes segment of the credits - it's egregiously bad. Not sure how anyone didn't notice when making the set. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chewy 2,391 Posted June 5, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 5, 2021 9 hours ago, thx99 said: There is no 15.735 kHz tone in the TPM or RotS spectrograms. There are definitely tones for RotS, maybe not 15.735kHz but 15.625kHz (which is the PAL frequency, could make sense since it was recorded in London). Comparison between 2018 demaster and 2005 OST for Enter Lord Vader (from Revenge of the Sith): In both cases, the line is precise, without any noise or variation. Comparison between 2018 demaster and 2002 OST for The Meadow Picnic (from Attack of the Clones): On the OST spectrogram, several sections (0:00 to 0:20, 0:50 to 1:30, 1:55 to 2:35 and 3:40 to 3:50) show a very clean line, like what we see on Revenge of the Sith. However, the demaster spectrogram shows a more dirty, noisy, less accurate line for the whole track. This is a proof that it doesn't come from the digital masters but from transferred analog tapes. Comparison between 2018 demaster and 1999 OST for The Arrival at Tatooine and The Flag Parade (from The Phantom Menace): The TPM score indeed doesn't have those CRT tones. However, other tones can be used to analyze the recording. Here we have a 19.80/19.81 kHz frequency inherent to the recording that is, once again much more precise and clean on the OST, compared to the grainy, noisy signal on the demaster. The same thing can be observed on recent Mike Matessino expansions for which analog tapes were transferred: Comparison between 2019 LLL and 2002 OST for Leo Crow...The Confrontation (from Minority Report): Comparison between 2018 LLL and 2001 OST for Prologue (Hedwig’s Flight) (from Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone): Going back to AI, we can clearly see that Mike used the digital master for the LLL release when comparing for example The Mecha World: Holko, crumbs and Jay 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thx99 1,740 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 These are much clearer examples, @Chewy, than the wider frequency range spectrograms you posted above (to which I was referring in my comment). Thanks for posting. And yes, it should be 15.625 kHz (25x625) for the original sequel recordings. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 A.I. ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE: 20th ANNIVERSARY LIMITED EDITION (3-CD SET) LLLCD 1353 Music by John Williams Limited Edition of 3000 Units RETAIL PRICE: $39.98 STARTS SHIPPING JUNE 30 Order yours starting June 22 at 12 noon (pst) at www.lalalandrecords.com To commemorate this landmark film’s 20th Anniversary, La-La Land Records, Warner Bros. and Warner Records proudly present a limited edition re-issue of maestro John Williams’ (JAWS, STAR WARS, EMPIRE OF THE SUN, SCHINDLER’S LIST), Oscar-Nominated original motion picture score to the acclaimed 2001 Warner Bros. science-fiction drama A.I. ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, starring Haley Joel Osment, Jude Law and Frances O’Connor, and directed by Steven Spielberg. The legendary Spielberg-Williams collaboration gives birth to yet another masterful score – one that is complex, lyrical and deeply haunting. Considered one of the most moving and spectral works of Mr. Williams’ career, this astounding piece is given the deluxe treatment it has always warranted with this stunning 3-CD presentation. Produced, assembled and mastered by Mike Matessino, with the cooperation of the composer and the director, this limited edition re-issue of 3000 units presents the Film Score across two CDs, with a third disc of Additional Music. Exclusive, in-depth liner notes by Jeff Bond take you behind the thought-provoking film and its score, while classic art direction by Jim Titus rounds out this must-have experience - one that will be treasured by all film music enthusiasts. This re-issue contains the same presentation and content as our original release of this title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 The emailer must be wrong about the catalog number, as 1353 was the # of the old edition I had no idea this reissue was for another 3,000 copies - that's great! I wonderful score that deserves to be in print for all to discover Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 26 minutes ago, Jay said: The emailer must be wrong about the catalog number, as 1353 was the # of the old edition I had no idea this reissue was for another 3,000 copies - that's great! Maybe the number's a mistake they left in then, too - isn't the rest of the blurb partly copypasted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 Oh yea, you're right! The flyer (which you can see in the main post of this thread) indicates it's for 2,000 more copies, not 3,000. I guess LLL needs a proofreader for their emailers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 3 hours ago, Holko said: A.I. ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE: 20th ANNIVERSARY LIMITED EDITION (3-CD SET) LLLCD 1353 Music by John Williams Limited Edition of 3000 Units RETAIL PRICE: $39.98 STARTS SHIPPING JUNE 30 Order yours starting June 22 at 12 noon (pst) at www.lalalandrecords.com To commemorate this landmark film’s 20th Anniversary, La-La Land Records, Warner Bros. and Warner Records proudly present a limited edition re-issue of maestro John Williams’ (JAWS, STAR WARS, EMPIRE OF THE SUN, SCHINDLER’S LIST), Oscar-Nominated original motion picture score to the acclaimed 2001 Warner Bros. science-fiction drama A.I. ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, starring Haley Joel Osment, Jude Law and Frances O’Connor, and directed by Steven Spielberg. The legendary Spielberg-Williams collaboration gives birth to yet another masterful score – one that is complex, lyrical and deeply haunting. Considered one of the most moving and spectral works of Mr. Williams’ career, this astounding piece is given the deluxe treatment it has always warranted with this stunning 3-CD presentation. Produced, assembled and mastered by Mike Matessino, with the cooperation of the composer and the director, this limited edition re-issue of 3000 units presents the Film Score across two CDs, with a third disc of Additional Music. Exclusive, in-depth liner notes by Jeff Bond take you behind the thought-provoking film and its score, while classic art direction by Jim Titus rounds out this must-have experience - one that will be treasured by all film music enthusiasts. This re-issue contains the same presentation and content as our original release of this title. I figured this was a straight reissue of the original release from 2015, just with a slightly different front cover. It’s nice for anybody who missed out on getting it the first time around. Still, I will be updating the front cover for my Apple Music library. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 I'm stoked for anyone who missed out on the first batch to finally get this amazing release. Easily in my top 3 MM/JW releases since 2015 and it would take something special to topple it! bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 And it's up for sale! https://lalalandrecords.com/a-i-artificial-intelligence-20th-anniversary-limited-edition-3-cd-set/ Looks like the catalog number is 1353R, how about that. The website also says 3,000 copies thrice, even though the June flyer said 2,000 copies Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smaug The Iron 515 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 Ordered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jay said: The website also says 3,000 copies thrice, even though the June flyer said 2,000 copies Great! The more people have a chance to get this magnificent score the better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 Absolutely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 1280x1280 cover: https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-lj8wphc2lt/products/598/images/1514/AI_20th_Anniversary__72347.1624319569.1280.1280.jpg?c=2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Happy that I can now finally own this wonderful presentation of one of my favorite filmscores of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,370 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 On the one hand now I regret a little bit paying a hundred bugs for it to a reseller at the beginning of the year. On the other hand this CD package really gave me a good time during my COVID-19 recovery. So, the regret is quite negligible. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: On the one hand now I regret a little bit paying a hundred bugs for it to a reseller at the beginning of the year. On the other hand this CD package really gave me a good time during my COVID-19 recovery. So, the regret is quite negligible. Think of it this way: you'll be able to sell it for the same price on the second-hand market once this newer batch sells out. But ultimately, as you say, the enjoyment you get from listening to a release is priceless. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Quick question: Does anyone know if the use of "Once Upon a Dream" diegetically (for Martin in cryo) was something Kubrick intended to be used (like the Rosenkavalier situation), or is it just something Spielberg & co. found appropriate, because -- you know -- SLEEPING BEAUTY? And the fact that Monica reads a fairytale for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 46 minutes ago, Thor said: Quick question: Does anyone know if the use of "Once Upon a Dream" diegetically (for Martin in cryo) was something Kubrick intended to be used (like the Rosenkavalier situation), or is it just something Spielberg & co. found appropriate, because -- you know -- SLEEPING BEAUTY? And the fact that Monica reads a fairytale for him? This is all Williams says on Sleeping Beauty: Though he follows that with: "This quotation of Strauss was the one piece of music that Stanley Kubrick requested Steven leave in the film. We don't know why." Which answers your question! crlbrg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, crumbs said: Though he follows that with: "This quotation of Strauss was the one piece of music that Stanley Kubrick requested Steven leave in the film. We don't know why." That's referring to Rosenkavalier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 33 minutes ago, Holko said: That's referring to Rosenkavalier. He’s saying that if the Strauss is “the one” (as in the only) piece of music that Kubrick requested then he didn’t request Tchaikovsky crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Ah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Yes, what @Disco Stu said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Yeah, forgot he said "the one piece" in that interview. So the Tchaikovsky/"Once Upon a Dream" thing appears to be something Spielberg & co. concocted on their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 On 6/23/2021 at 3:18 AM, GerateWohl said: On the one hand now I regret a little bit paying a hundred bugs for it to a reseller What a waste of perfectly good bugs! Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,349 Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 What is a "15 3CD set"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 I think it means 2015 so '15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted June 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 28, 2021 153 CD set confirmed!!!!!!! crumbs, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and Smeltington 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 14 minutes ago, A. A. Ron said: 153 CD set confirmed!!!!!!! And I bet Williams still vetoed the Sleeping Beauty source cue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,109 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 On 6/23/2021 at 12:41 PM, Remco said: Happy that I can now finally own this wonderful presentation of one of my favorite filmscores of all time. Mine too.It’s in my Top 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 This is one of the very few JW sets that I bought 3 times! One I gave my girlfriend, one was for myself, and I forgot what I did with the 3rd... I probably still have it somewhere, still sealed. And no, I'm not gonna by this edition now, just because it says 20th Anniversary on the front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted June 28, 2021 Author Share Posted June 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Josh500 said: and I forgot what I did with the 3rd... I probably still have it somewhere, still sealed. Don't tell me you lost this too! Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Chewy said: Don't tell me you lost this too! No, I still have that. Locked up along with all my other JW albums. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jim Ware 526 Posted June 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 28, 2021 A little 20 year retrospective podcast for anyone interested... https://leadingtone.podbean.com/e/ai-artificial-intelligence/ BB-8, crlbrg, Disco Stu and 4 others 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 The film turns 20 years old TODAY! And for the occasion, I wrote this tribute article - in Norwegian. I've already run it through Google Translate for you, in case you're interested (wonky as the language may turn out):https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://celluloidtunes.no/a-i-artificial-intelligence-john-williams/ My favourite film of the millennium, and favourite score too. Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted June 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2021 On 6/28/2021 at 8:24 PM, Jim Ware said: A little 20 year retrospective podcast for anyone interested... https://leadingtone.podbean.com/e/ai-artificial-intelligence/ Wonderful and thorough analysis, Jim. Excellent podcast! Tim Greiving wrote a really nice retrospective article about the making of the movie, with quotes from several people who worked on the film: https://www.theringer.com/movies/2021/6/29/22553929/ai-artificial-intelligence-steven-spielberg-stanley-kubrick Corellian2019, Amer, crumbs and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 That was a great piece, @TownerFan . Thank you for sharing. Is Tim Greiving well known in the film score community? I thought it was strange he seemed relatively-well versed in Williams’ use of themes and classical references in the film until I noticed he was listed as a film score journalist. There must not be many of those, but I haven’t heard of him. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,364 Posted June 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2021 Yes, he's been writing liner notes for various albums for decades Holko, Yavar Moradi and Taikomochi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crlbrg 381 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 From the LLL Records website: Quote A.I. SHIPPING DELAY: This title was supposed to be in stock on 6/30, but the manufacturer has just informed us it is delayed. A.I. will now start shipping on July 12 (or before if it arrives ahead of July 12). We apologize for the delay and thank you for your continued patience. Smaug The Iron and MaxTheHouseelf 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 The wait'll be worth it for anyone who hasn't heard it Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 On 6/30/2021 at 9:08 AM, Jay said: Yes, he's been writing liner notes for various albums for decades Has it really been 20 years or more? I didn't think Tim was that old! I know his first time writing liner notes for a Goldsmith release was Intrada's complete The Trouble With Angels in 2015, six years ago. When was his first time writing liner notes at all? When he first joined us on The Goldsmith Odyssey as guest co-host, I don't remember if he mentioned... but he did mention getting his start as a writer with Film Score Monthly, and I know he spoke about his background a decent amount and how he got to where he is: His first appearance on the podcast: https://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/1210706-episode-19-the-twilight-zone-dust-1961 Second half of first appearance: https://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/1305991-episode-20-the-twilight-zone-back-there-1961 It was also great to welcome him back recently to talk about Lionheart: https://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/8621034-odyssey-soundtrack-spotlight-lionheart-1987 Tim is one of the best favorite film music journalists working today, and has been for some time. Here's his website to see more of what he's been up to: https://timgreiving.com/ Yavar Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 I could have been wrong about the amount of time it's been, I defer to your knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Jay said: I could have been wrong about the amount of time it's been, I defer to your knowledge I honestly don't know. I'd have to ask Tim probably. I thought maybe you had more detailed knowledge. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 386 Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 On 6/30/2021 at 3:04 AM, TownerFan said: Tim Greiving wrote a really nice retrospective article about the making of the movie, with quotes from several people who worked on the film: https://www.theringer.com/movies/2021/6/29/22553929/ai-artificial-intelligence-steven-spielberg-stanley-kubrick Checked out the article and was dismayed to learn about yet another cool deleted scene that Spielberg has refused to release Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 Very interesting article, thanks 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted July 14, 2021 Author Share Posted July 14, 2021 Found on LLL website: Quote A.I. - DISC 1 & 3 REPLACEMENT NOTICE: There was a manufacturing error with Disc 1 and Disc 3 of our A.I. 20th Anniversary Reissue which resulted in the wrong master being featured on those discs. We are pausing future sales of this title until the corrected sets are in stock. If you purchased this title from us, please e-mail us at info@lalaland-ent.com (with the subject heading AI DISC 1&3) and include your full name and mailing address in your e-mail. We will ship you a corrected DISC 1 and DISC 3 as soon as we have them in stock. We apologize for the inconvenience and we're working hard to correct this issue in a timely fashion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 Wrong master? If contents are the same, why would the manufacturing plant have multiple versions? Or did they switch up discs 1 and 3? Or put the wrong score on them? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted July 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2021 They accidentally printed the discs of the imminent Hook rerelease... Chewy, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and crlbrg 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackR 95 Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 The FSM Thread has some details from folks who received it. Seems some tracks are duplicated and (maybe) there are a couple unreleased alternates? Maybe. I don't have the disc and have done no digging on it so I can't say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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