King Mark 3,631 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 I admit I haven't read any liner notes for the past 15 years! Tallguy, A. A. Ron and JTN 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 I often read them, but sometimes only skim through. Karol Cindylover1969 and 1977 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,532 Posted December 6, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2023 Why the hell wouldn't I? Context and background and information in general is important and interesting! Falstaft, enderdrag64, CGCJ and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Edmilson 7,473 Posted December 6, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2023 I liked when they had a track by track analysis, like Goldsmith's Star Trek TMP from 2012 or (don't kill me) the old Hook extended edition. It's much easier to follow the score and themes when each track is individually analyzed, instead of something like "the love theme goes in tracks A, B and C while track D has a different performance..." Gabriel Bezerra, ThePenitentMan1, Yavar Moradi and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 Yes I read them. Nothing is as effective for my insomnia as expanded edition booklets! JTN and Chewy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GerateWohl 4,373 Posted December 6, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2023 I love reading liner notes. But mostly I skip the track by track descriptions. A. A. Ron, crocodile and enderdrag64 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bespin 8,484 Posted December 6, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2023 5 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: I love reading liner notes. But mostly I skip the track by track descriptions. Those are my favourite parts! "The passage features a polyphonic exposition where the violins and cellos engage in contrapuntal discourse, elucidating a series of tierce intervals amidst an extensive chromatic framework. The violins, articulating a sequence of augmented harmonies, navigate through a labyrinth of thematic development, while the cellos navigate a counter-melodic trajectory, utilizing intricate ornamentation and syncopated rhythmic variations. This intricate interplay, woven within an elaborate harmonic structure, underscores the composer's virtuosic command of contrapuntal techniques and harmonic complexity." enderdrag64, ragoz350, Brando and 10 others 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 I might glance at them if there is something specific I want to glean about the score or the release e.g. source elements used. JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Edmilson 7,473 Posted December 6, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2023 12 minutes ago, Bespin said: Those are my favourite parts! "The passage features a polyphonic exposition where the violins and cellos engage in contrapuntal discourse, elucidating a series of tierce intervals amidst an extensive chromatic framework. The violins, articulating a sequence of augmented harmonies, navigate through a labyrinth of thematic development, while the cellos navigate a counter-melodic trajectory, utilizing intricate ornamentation and syncopated rhythmic variations. This intricate interplay, woven within an elaborate harmonic structure, underscores the composer's virtuosic command of contrapuntal techniques and harmonic complexity." This is the best part of the liner notes! Ok, not when there's much musicology psychobabble, but when you're listening to the album it feels nice to have a description of which track saying when it appears in the movie, which themes it uses, if it ultimately went unused in the movie or not, etc. The 2012 LLL Star Trek The Motion Picture is the best example when it comes to this kind of analysis. It even says when the cue was recorded! Yavar Moradi, Holko, enderdrag64 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 6, 2023 Author Share Posted December 6, 2023 I used to read them back in the day and my favorite ones were on the booklet in the Star Wars Anthology box set. Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Faleel 5,360 Posted December 6, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2023 36 minutes ago, Edmilson said: I liked when they had a track by track analysis, like Goldsmith's Star Trek TMP from 2012 or (don't kill me) the old Hook extended edition. It's much easier to follow the score and themes when each track is individually analyzed, instead of something like "the love theme goes in tracks A, B and C while track D has a different performance..." I have to admit, I am not a big fan of the Julie Kirgo format of "here is an essay talking a bit about making the movie, and, oh yeah, it had a score." Andy, Yavar Moradi, enderdrag64 and 4 others 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,521 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 They don't have to be expanded editions, they can be any release with liner notes. I always read them, at least once when I get the album. And then maybe later on, when I want to double-check some piece of information. The John Williams TV releases, for example, have been very valuable. Of course, I have my preferences in terms of what I think they should be, how they should be written, what type of information is interesting, what is not so much etc., like any other text about films or film music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 Yes i read them, i like the insight. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Andy 4,141 Posted December 6, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2023 Hell yeah!!! Why else become a collector of physical media if not to enjoy all of it? Often I’ll pull a series of booklets out for reading without the cd playing. Plus I’m old enough to remember when liner notes looked like this: And yes that’s a color photo. The work the labels do is awesome. I remember when booklets first started having multiple stapled pages and not just a folded insert. To me, it’s a real selling point of physical media. Gabriel Bezerra, Edmilson, Brando and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KittBash 282 Posted December 6, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2023 Of course! I not only read them I digitize them (visual and text) for my digital collection so I can review/read them from anywhere. Then I comb through them for any timeline info enderdrag64, Tallguy, Sylvan and 3 others 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,141 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 Now that’s cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Usually no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,844 Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 I always read the liner notes. I find they help me appreciate the music even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,364 Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 On 6/12/2023 at 11:39 AM, Bespin said: Those are my favourite parts! "The passage features a polyphonic exposition where the violins and cellos engage in contrapuntal discourse, elucidating a series of tierce intervals amidst an extensive chromatic framework. The violins, articulating a sequence of augmented harmonies, navigate through a labyrinth of thematic development, while the cellos navigate a counter-melodic trajectory, utilizing intricate ornamentation and syncopated rhythmic variations. This intricate interplay, woven within an elaborate harmonic structure, underscores the composer's virtuosic command of contrapuntal techniques and harmonic complexity." Is that quoted from actual liner notes for a JW release? It doesn’t ring a bell, but sounds entirely accurate. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,695 Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 I skim them once, then usually never again. JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 907 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 On 07/12/2023 at 6:40 AM, KittBash said: Of course! I not only read them I digitize them (visual and text) for my digital collection so I can review/read them from anywhere. Then I comb through them for any timeline info I really really wish the liner notes were available digitally as well, but I'm a little lazy to do it myself, and without a scanner, they would be iPhone pics with light reflections and odd angles! The thought of them on my phone of Kindle where I can read them anytime makes my mouth water. I realize there's probably a reason they're not released digitally? But I think it would be a great way to help some decide to make a purchase? Maybe. A. A. Ron and Tallguy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,047 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 I used to when I was younger, but the font is too small for my eyesight now, even with glasses, so I only plow through them, but don’t actually read them. But I like the booklets. I’m more into exploring the music myself and am not that interested in the background as much as I used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,402 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 On 06/12/2023 at 2:57 PM, King Mark said: I used to read them back in the day and my favorite ones were on the booklet in the Star Wars Anthology box set. I'll see you one better: The original Star Wars LP! (Which, of course, was quoted extensively on the Anthology.) And who IS this Lucas Kendall person, anyway? I love the liner notes. I was always disappointed that Star Wars and Empire had notes and Raiders (and I suppose Close Encounters and Superman) did not. On 06/12/2023 at 4:40 PM, KittBash said: Of course! I not only read them I digitize them (visual and text) for my digital collection so I can review/read them from anywhere. Then I comb through them for any timeline info I started to do that with the Star Trek Box but the OCR Force is not with me. I would LOVE to have digital copies of all of these. To say nothing of the fact that I'm ageing and those liner notes have tiny print! JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittBash 282 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Tallguy said: I started to do that with the Star Trek Box but the OCR Force is not with me. I would LOVE to have digital copies of all of these. To say nothing of the fact that I'm ageing and those liner notes have tiny print! I hear ya! The blue box book was quite the undertaking to get converted to digital text. So far one of the best OCR solutions I’ve used is on Apple devices using an iPhone to capture hi res images and iPhoto OCR to pull the text and then correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,554 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 Do I read the liner notes from all my expanded edition CDs? Life's too short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,695 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 The two bits of info I do look for in liners (my only reason to skim them) is any details on the source materials and details on what's different about the alternates. i.e. if an entire 6 minute alternate is included only for 30 seconds at the end that's different then I'd like to know so I don't have to listen to the entire 6 minutes, working out what's different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 Yes. Always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,402 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 2 hours ago, Incanus said: Yes. Always. Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThePenitentMan1 744 Posted December 9, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2023 Yes... Tallguy, Andy, Incanus and 4 others 2 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,047 Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 I read the liner notes of the Intrada Solo Expanded Edition. John Takis' interview with John Powell is very informative and has great JW anecdotes. Yavar Moradi and enderdrag64 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,402 Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 Thanks to this thread I just realized I haven't read Sneakers yet. Unthinkable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 yes I read them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 On 6/12/2023 at 12:39 PM, Bespin said: engage in contrapuntal discourse I’m not familiar with that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,402 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Also thanks to this thread I am now scanning my liner notes into a text database. I would love to get them into really neat PDF's with OCRed text and still have the pretty pictures. But I don't know how to do that. So I'm using Google Lens and putting them into an Obsidian database so my old tired eyes can read them. So far I've done Wrath of Khan and Eiger Sanction. KittBash and Andy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 What's a c.d.'s? Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Badzeee 110 Posted January 19 Popular Post Share Posted January 19 I love reading the liner notes and booklets. Especially those essays by learned historians, archivists and remastering experts. They’re usually a whole new window onto the process and succession of happy accidents that created the magic that ends up in my ears. It makes me appreciate the efforts that go into this (these?) art form(s) all over again, in new and panoramic ways. Kind of the reason I’m here too, to get different angles on subject areas previously (and probably wrongly) labelled “known.” Holko, Yavar Moradi and Tallguy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,141 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 You know what would be cool? If liner notes were up front and gave full disclosure about what was used to temp track cues. I know, I know, it would never get approved. I tend to skim the part about the film production unless it’s a film I really love or if I think it’ll help me understand the context of the score for a film I’ve never seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,532 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 25 minutes ago, Andy said: You know what would be cool? If liner notes were up front and gave full disclosure about what was used to temp track cues. I know, I know, it would never get approved. That definitely happens sometimes, like in the new LLL Sneakers. Tallguy and Andy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,141 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Oh cool! I’ll have to bust that one out of the shrink wrap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBuckFilms 324 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 I don't always read them, but if I have the time I do. Sometimes there is a lot of great insight in a well-written set of liner notes. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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