Naïve Old Fart 9,623 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Alex said: I guarantee nothing in this movie will be worse than Mutt swinging through the jungle like Tarzan Tru, dat. 6 minutes ago, Tom said: Statistically, most of us will be dead by then. I don't know about you, but I plan on living beyond June 30. 1 hour ago, Alex said: 6 minutes ago, Tom said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 453 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 3 hours ago, Tom said: Harrison Ford is 80. Statistically, most of us will be dead by then. It is okay if he did not do any major stunts. Which is why the film probably shouldn't be made in its current state in the first place. If your character is so old, you need a stunt man and CGI for every scene, that is telling you something. filmmusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,682 Posted February 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2023 40 minutes ago, Mephariel said: Which is why the film probably shouldn't be made in its current state in the first place. If your character is so old, you need a stunt man and CGI for every scene, that is telling you something. I would say that is a reason not to watch it (if that is your view), but not a reason to wish it out of existence. I, for one, couldn't care less about some CGI patches and will enjoy (or hate) it on its own story/score merits. JNHFan2000, ThePenitentMan1 and Brando 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,900 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 9 hours ago, Laserschwert said: The trailer has a bit more face replacements going on than what's talked about (at least it looks like a fully CGI face). I guess they deemed swinging the whip too dangerous for Ford? Good, that original one looked like a character from The Polar Express. 6 hours ago, Laserschwert said: Maybe I'm just imagining things, but this looks very CG-head-y to me, especially the unflinching eyes. Yep that is unmistakably CGI. Pretty sure Shark was just trolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,137 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 8 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Yep that is unmistakably CGI. Pretty sure Shark was just trolling. I really can't tell that's CGI. If Ford looks like a dead character from The Polar Express it might be because he's 80. Tom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,900 Posted February 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2023 22 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: I really can't tell that's CGI. If Ford looks like a dead character from The Polar Express it might be because he's 80. You really can't see it? Maybe you just need to look closer... ThePenitentMan1, Jurassic Shark, Smeltington and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted February 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2023 This thread is miserable. Of course you're going to notice the CGI if you post still-frames and slow-mo gifs. Reminds me of all those dismal Youtube video essay "critics". HunterTech, JNHFan2000, Jurassic Shark and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,137 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 I still can't see it. Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,492 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 6 hours ago, Clockwork Angel said: It's only a videogame if you can play it. It's a videogame played by the director... and we watch him play. I recently saw Dr Strange in the whateverse... those movies are just a succession of fake scenes triggering no emotion, because we know everything is fake. Sadly, that's the reality of modern action movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,442 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 another potential 'British Fanfare' from the Maestro.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,737 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 3 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: I still can't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,355 Posted February 15, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2023 3 hours ago, Docteur Qui said: This thread is miserable. Of course you're going to notice the CGI if you post still-frames and slow-mo gifs. Reminds me of all those dismal Youtube video essay "critics". And people seem to forget Harrison suffered a serious shoulder injury only weeks into production. Of course the filmmakers wouldn't allow him to perform that whip-cracking motion in the shot above. Why take risks that might damage his recovery? At least they've (seemingly) used a real whip-handler with stunt performers; they could've easily gone the CGI whip route for this shot. Docteur Qui, Gabriel Bezerra, HunterTech and 5 others 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,384 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 10 hours ago, Docteur Qui said: This thread is miserable. Of course you're going to notice the CGI if you post still-frames and slow-mo gifs. Reminds me of all those dismal Youtube video essay "critics". You have a point. But there's no getting away from the fact that this is the sort of thing that arises when an action hero is being played by an 80 year old. Bellosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,137 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 11 hours ago, Docteur Qui said: This thread is miserable. What do you expect? This is JWFan! Bellosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothless 964 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 I have absolutely zero issue with CGI. The problem is when you don't allocate enough time for them. Don't get me wrong, the CGI in this trailer are not bad by any mean and it is just a trailer, they might very well not be final. But the thing is they are not great either. All wide angle shots have that Marvel, washed-out, fake look and the images look super processed. I won't prevent me from liking (or disliking) the movie. But still. Yes, it looks less grounded than other movies with as much CGI. Bellosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,442 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 5 hours ago, Sweeping Strings said: You have a point. But there's no getting away from the fact that this is the sort of thing that arises when an action hero is being played by an 80 year old. Mutt: "What are you? Like 80?" Mutt knew something we didn't.... Gabriel Bezerra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,384 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 I don't remember that particualr bit of KOTCS, but the question is how do I go about forgetting the rest of it? Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,137 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 At the start of Indy 5, Indy will wake up from the nightmare that was Indy 4. I hope. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,442 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 what if though.....what if Indy 5 sucks.... and KOTCS becomes the best Indy movie of the last 20 years. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,510 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Indy 5 must be really atrocious, like, Battlefield Earth-levels of bad, if it wants to make KOTCS look good in comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,737 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Bellosh said: what if though.....what if Indy 5 sucks.... and KOTCS becomes the best Indy movie of the last 20 years. Unfortunately, KOTCS is already the best Indy movie of the last twenty years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,510 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 7 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said: KOTCS The Adventures of Tintin is the best Indy movie of the last twenty years. Fixed. Yavar Moradi and Gabriel Bezerra 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,737 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Tintin is a preview warning of what Spielberg wanted to do with Harry Potter. Bullet, dodged. That said, it's absolutely a better film than KOTCS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 On 14/02/2023 at 9:38 AM, Laserschwert said: I don't even complain, as I am really looking forward to this film. My only hope is that it's better than KOTCS, but I'm not overly optimistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,737 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 7 minutes ago, Demodex said: My only hope is that it's better than KOTCS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 638 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 2 hours ago, Bellosh said: what if though.....what if Indy 5 sucks.... and KOTCS becomes the best Indy movie of the last 20 years. Entirely possible! I imagine it's going to go exactly how Star Wars went. Disney fans are going to love it, most people will think it was a pretty fun time, and hardcore Indy folk are going to think it is soulless and a mistake letting someone that's not Spielberg and Lucas involved, and find a newfound fondness for Crystal Skull. Bellosh, Yavar Moradi and Edmilson 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,366 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Poor KOTCS. So much vitriol, invective and vituperation aimed at a movie that made for better viewing than 90% of what the studios have been shoveling into theaters every summer for the past 15 years. (The remaining 10% being mostly M:I movies, if memory serves.) Leave… KOTCS… alone!! Bellosh and Gabriel Bezerra 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,442 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Bayesian said: Poor KOTCS. So much vitriol, invective and vituperation aimed at a movie that made for better viewing than 90% of what the studios have been shoveling into theaters every summer for the past 15 years. (The remaining 10% being mostly M:I movies, if memory serves.) Leave… KOTCS… alone!! I fucking love Crystal Skull! Gabriel Bezerra and StarFox 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,510 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Argh. If the last two posts are any indication of the Crystal Skull lovefest that this thread will become, then I'll do with it the same thing I do with most Star Wars threads: just ignore it. KOTCS is one of the least deserving movies of the "actually, it's underrated" treatment. Demodex, Nick1Ø66 and Bellosh 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 15 minutes ago, Edmilson said: KOTCS is one of the least deserving movies of the "actually, it's underrated" treatment. I don't think it's underrated. But I do agree it's better than a lot of other blockbusters that came out at the time and since. The story and dialogue are garbage, but it's competently made, and Spielberg's worst efforts are miles ahead of most directors' best in the action/adventure genre. I'll never consider it a good movie though, because it should have been much better than it was. Yavar Moradi and ThePenitentMan1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,355 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 37 minutes ago, Docteur Qui said: I'll never consider it a good movie though, because it should have been much better than it was. I think this is what frustrates people most about Indy 4. They had all the ingredients to make the best Indiana Jones film ever, yet all they could manage was half-baked mediocrity. It's almost entirely the fault of the script. ThePenitentMan1 and Bellosh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,442 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Edmilson said: Argh. If the last two posts are any indication of the Crystal Skull lovefest that this thread will become, then I'll do with it the same thing I do with most Star Wars threads: just ignore it. KOTCS is one of the least deserving movies of the "actually, it's underrated" treatment. You gotta realize how many people on the raven forums that almost made a personality out of hating KOTCS. It got tiresome. But you should def ignore stuff you don't like. I haven't even seen rise of Skywalker....ya know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,737 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 2 hours ago, Edmilson said: Argh. If the last two posts are any indication of the Crystal Skull lovefest that this thread will become, then I'll do with it the same thing I do with most Star Wars threads: just ignore it. KOTCS is one of the least deserving movies of the "actually, it's underrated" treatment. It's with absolutely no hyperbole that I say I consider KOTCS to be Spielberg's worst movie, relatively speaking. And in any event, the quicksand scene has got to be the most embarrassing thing The Baseball Cap has ever filmed. That said, is it better than a lot of blockbusters being released today? Of course. But that's a very low bar. Part of what makes the film so bad is the outstanding pedigree of the director (and the franchise). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,442 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Nick1Ø66 said: It's with absolutely no hyperbole that I say I consider KOTCS to be Spielberg's worst movie Lincoln. That movie is just a circle jerk of DDL giving monologues with a slow zoom in. Oh and the BFG. KOTCS mops the floor with those movies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,737 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Bellosh said: Lincoln. That movie is just a circle jerk of DDL giving monologues with a slow zoom in. Oh and the BFG. KOTCS mops the floor with those movies Well I suppose that out of 35 films Spielberg has directed, if you can only list two better than KOTCS, I'll consider us more or less in agreement. Bellosh and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,442 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Fair. I'd rather read a book on Lincoln tbh. I swear Spielberg just wanted to direct Daniel Day Lewis and that was the only reason that film got made Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,737 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Just now, Bellosh said: Fair. I'd rather read a book on Lincoln tbh. I swear Spielberg just wanted to direct Daniel Day Lewis and that was the only reason that film got made I enjoyed Lincoln, though I agree that it can be a bit of slog, and was mostly a showcase for Daniel Day Lewis. I also think Spielberg was (understandably) enamoured with Goodwin's book, and perhaps overestimated how engaging a film this small chapter in Lincoln's life would make. IMO it would have worked better as the limited series Spielberg considered making. Bellosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,442 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Spielberg's last good movie was Bridge of Spies and before that probably War Horse. I still can't believe he made a movie about himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TolkienSS 409 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 The reaction to Indy 5 will be the same no matter how well made a movie it turns out to be. So....why not spend the budget of the reshoots on re-shooting Indy 4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,737 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, Bellosh said: I still can't believe he made a movie about himself. I didn't enjoy Ready Player One either. mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,682 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, TolkienSS said: The reaction to Indy 5 will be the same no matter how well made a movie it turns out to be. So....why not spend the budget of the reshoots on re-shooting Indy 4? "What are you, like 80?" "Yes." Bellosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Romão 2,274 Posted February 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 16, 2023 40 minutes ago, Bellosh said: Lincoln. That movie is just a circle jerk of DDL giving monologues with a slow zoom in. Oh and the BFG. KOTCS mops the floor with those movies I actually found Lincoln to be far more gripping to KOTCS. It's a superior movie by any criteria, IMHO Holko, Yavar Moradi and Not Mr. Big 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,442 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 I mean KOTCS isn't on the same level as Lincoln, lemme just preface that. I'm sorry I just couldn't stand Lincoln. In no way did it make me more interested in the person and life of Abe. It just felt like Hollywood "dress up" and then once the scene is over everybody behind the camera pretends to be in awe. When in reality it's just some shit accent. Just putrid shit I don't care for in movies. The score is a good listen though ☺️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,510 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 The score is the only thing I like about Lincoln. Aside from John Williams' touching music, we have a well acted drama that probably will put everyone who is not actively studying American history to sleep. This may be a hot take, but I think I prefer RP1. Bellosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,442 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 That whole movie is just Lincoln going "gather around everyone, lemme tell you a story" Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,646 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 10 minutes ago, Bellosh said: That whole movie is just Lincoln going "gather around everyone, lemme tell you a story" They're good stories though Bellosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,442 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 I mean you're not wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,646 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 I love when he's talking about the Washington toilet story and it cuts to his portrait on the wall like a reaction shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,442 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Not Mr. Big said: I love when he's talking about the Washington toilet story and it cuts to his portrait on the wall like a reaction shot Can't even tell if you're joking cause I haven't seen it in so long lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,384 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Poor @Disco Stu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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