Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Damn...if Williams vetoes jpiii release I will be disappointed... Thank God we have the promo. I wouldcurge giacchino to leak rogue one too...it may never see the light of day.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted December 16, 2019 Author Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 hour ago, crumbs said: I do find it interesting that LLL never pursued a JP3 expansion, even 4 years after the JP/TLW set... given their close ties to Williams and his management. MV mentioned they would like to do it. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,466 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 hour ago, crumbs said: I do find it interesting that LLL never pursued a JP3 expansion, even 4 years after the JP/TLW set... given their close ties to Williams and his management. I dunno, for me it's hard to believe that, even almost 20 years after JP3 Williams is still pissed with Davis, so much so that if LLL did an expansion, it would anger him. Williams never seemed to me like a particularly bitter or vindictive person. He may be protective of his own work, yes, but to this point... He would be a very mean and paltry person. Also, two years after JP3 Davis scored two of the biggest blockbusters of that year, Reloaded and Revolutions. After that, yes, he moved to the classical world and scored only stuff nobody saw, but I don't think Williams had anything to do with it. Maybe it's the changing of the industry, which these days prefer composers like Ludwig Gorannsoon than Davis, but anyway, I don't picture Williams going to every major producer in LA, telling them that if they hire Davis, he would leak to the press their sex scandals (although this is a funny thought). On the other hand... Has anybody seen what Nicholas Hooper is up too these days? Kasey Kockroach and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 He allowed the release is superman 2 & 3 so there is hope :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Edmilson said: Maybe it's the changing of the industry, which these days prefer composers like Ludwig Gorannsoon than Davis, but anyway, I don't picture Williams going to every major producer in LA, telling them that if they hire Davis, he would leak to the press their sex scandals (although this is a funny thought). Nobody suggested such bs, it's more like preemptive obedience, i. e. LLL will not risk raised eyebrows when they release a score everyone fears Williams has issues with. You guys often make mountains out of molehills, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,466 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Yeah, but it is funny the image of Williams threatening to leak to the press and the police embarassing photos of people who dares considering hiring Don Davis, Nicholas Hooper, etc. The Matrix 4 will come out in 2021, and if the Wachowskis chose to go with Giacchino instead of Davis, I'll be very pissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Now imagine we found out he was the one who had Desplat ditched from Rogue One! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 5 hours ago, Arpy said: I don't know why Lucasfilm/Disney haven't hired you @ocelot clearly, you know exactly what to do and what to write. LOL watch me Fail! I wouldn’t try to even go there because I don’t measure up to an ounce of what that man can do harmonically I’m happy with what I accomplish myself though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 50 minutes ago, publicist said: Now imagine we found out he was the one who had Desplat ditched from Rogue One! Maybe he didn't like the Harry potter finale... This plot is very convoluted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Imagine the headlines: JOHN WILLIAMS EXPOSED AS CAREER-RUINER SINCE HARRY POTTER 8 Edmilson and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 OK saying that Williams didn’t like something is one thing, no one is saying he’s stopping releases or making people not work lol. WTF 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 I was joking, though that style of headline is not above what I would expect of some so-called 'news' sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,466 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Gistech said: JOHN WILLIAMS EXPOSED AS CAREER-RUINER SINCE SUPERMAN 2 Fixed. Giftheck and ocelot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ocelot 508 Posted December 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2019 Williams anytime he hears his music being reworked by another composer.... lol #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal, crocodile, MikeH and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,080 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Yeah, that's from his red-haired phase. ocelot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 I thought Davis' absence from Hollywood had something to do with him spending ages on Rio De Sangre and being out of the film world for too long. ocelot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted December 16, 2019 Author Share Posted December 16, 2019 16 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: I thought Davis' absence from Hollywood had something to do with him spending ages on Rio De Sangre and being out of the film world for too long. That's my understanding as well. Karol Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Richard Penna said: I thought Davis' absence from Hollywood had something to do with him spending ages on Rio De Sangre and being out of the film world for too long. Probably is Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,318 Posted December 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2019 It is funny to imagine Williams having a hissy fit to MM after discovering a JP3 expansion was in the works. "I'll never let you touch Story of a Woman if you release Don's score! And I'll burn the master tapes for Sugarland!" Will, Bilbo, The Illustrious Jerry and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 18 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Yeah, that's from his red-haired phase. Fuck you! 15 hours ago, ocelot said: Probably is And his style isnt what Hollywood is after, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Someone hands Williams the proposed JP3 expanded CD #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal and crumbs 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crocodile 8,017 Posted January 4, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 4, 2020 I re-watched the movie last night (which was better than I remembered) and there is SO MUCH good unreleased music in there. In fact I don't think there is a single bad cue in there. Pity you can barely hear some of it. Karol Evanus, The Illustrious Jerry, Holko and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 29 minutes ago, crocodile said: I re-watched the movie last night (which was better than I remembered) and there is SO MUCH good unreleased music in there. In fact I don't think there is a single bad cue in there. Pity you can barely hear some of it. Karol Yep, even the incredible action pieces are mixed low and under sound effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canyoubay Liever 12 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 if anyone is interested: Don Davis will be conducting the Royal Philharmonic live alongside a screening of the first 'Matrix' at London's Royal Albert Hall in October, as part of the RAH Films with Live Orchestra series. I'm so excited to see this. there are still tonnes of tickets for sale: https://www.royalalberthall.com/tickets/events/2020/the-matrix-live/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 I don't think that has anything to do with Solo's score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeH 768 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 I do wonder what Williams thinks about the dubbing and editing of many of his scores. Knowing his perfectionism it must be maddening to hear what they have to do to conform to continuous film edits. Does he even attend the dub sessions? I’ve seen video of him and Spielberg during Lincoln’s dub, but can’t imagine him sitting through loud dubs like Star Wars. I’d assume his music editor (whether Ramiro or Wannberg in the past) would be his eyes and ears during those sessions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,466 Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 So, we have partial but almost complete cue numbers and names for almost all of the Disney produced SW movies, including the still on theaters TROS, but not for Solo, with the exception of a handful of cues Powell revealed on his Facebook page. Why is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGCJ 394 Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 44 minutes ago, Edmilson said: So, we have partial but almost complete cue numbers and names for almost all of the Disney produced SW movies, including the still on theaters TROS, but not for Solo, with the exception of a handful of cues Powell revealed on his Facebook page. Why is that? See here (my attempt at sorting the music from the OST with the cue titles from the online music repertoires and John Powell's Facebook) Here's just the known cue list on it's own: Spoiler Opening - John Powell Bunk - Proxima - John Powell 1m4-5 Corellia Chase - Batu Sener Spaceport - Anthony Willis Mimban Battle Pt 2 - John Powell Mimban Battle Pt 3 - John Powell Blackmail - John Powell Blackmail Cont'd - John Powell The Beast - Batu Sener 2m13 Chewie Untamed Pt 1 - Anthony Willis 2m13 Chewie Untamed Pt 3 - John Powell Surveying Conveyex - John Powell Campfire - John Powell 2m16A Conveyex - John Powell 2m16B Enfys Nest Arrives - Batu Sener Failed Heist - John Powell Walk to Dryden's Pt 1 - John Powell Walk to Dryden's Pt 3 - John Powell 3m18s Chicken in the Pot - John Powell Dryden Yacht Duet - John Powell Han & Qi'ra Reunite - John Powell Yacht Party Source - John Powell Meet Dryden - John Powell Testing Dryden's Patience - Batu Sener Lando - John Powell Sabacc Game - John Powell L3 & Falcon Pt 1 - John Powell L3 & Falcon Pt 2 - John Powell 4m26 ALT Ending - Batu Sener 4m27 Family Stories B - John Powell 4m28 Lando's Closet - Anthony Willis Trust No One - John Powell Mines Pt.1: Heist - Paul Mounsey 4m30B Mines Pt.2: Finding Coaxium - John Powell Mines Pt.2 Cont'd - John Powell Mines Pt.3: Break-Out - John Powell L3's Sacrifice - Anthony Willis 5m32 Kessel Run Pt 1 - TIE Chase - John Williams/John Powell 5m33a Kessel Run Pt 2 - Maw - Batu Sener Kessel Run Pt 3 - Liftoff - John Powell Kessel Run Pt 4 - Landing - John Powell Savareen Tent A - John Powell Enfys Standoff - John Powell Savareen Tent B - John Powell Beckett Leaves - Anthony Willis Back to Dryden's - John Powell You Don't Know Everything - John Powell Real Thing Double Cross - Paul Mounsey Dryden Fight - Anthony Willis Dryden Fight Pt 2 - John Powell Qi'ra and Han - Anthony Willis Skype Showdown - John Powell Beckett Showdown - John Powell Beckett Departs - John Powell Savareen Tent B - Anthony Willis Jungle Cantina Source - John Powell Sabacc Rematch - John Powell To Tatooine Pt 1 - John Powell MOE - John Powell Crawl - John Powell The Han Solo Theme - John Williams Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,466 Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Thanks for sharing, your spreadsheet is great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evanus 217 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Wow, Batu Sener did all of Corellia Chase? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,466 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 When I saw it, I found that weird too. But if you look closely, you'll see that the OST version of Corellia Chase has 3:33, while Batu's version has 2:43. So, maybe when they were editing the movie, they decided they wanted to make the scene a little shorter, so they cut about 50s, and Batu had to adapt Powell's composition to fit the new runtime of the scene, as Powell himself was too busy recording other scenes for the movie. Anyone has the Blu Ray? It would be interesting to compare which version is on the film, if it is the original or Batu's shorter version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Boy, we could use an FYC of this film right about now... thanks a lot, Disney. That said, there might have been issues with credits on this score, considering Powell extensively used Williams' themes throughout the score. The Academy has convoluted rules when it comes to co-composers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGCJ 394 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 19 minutes ago, Edmilson said: When I saw it, I found that weird too. But if you look closely, you'll see that the OST version of Corellia Chase has 3:33, while Batu's version has 2:43. So, maybe when they were editing the movie, they decided they wanted to make the scene a little shorter, so they cut about 50s, and Batu had to adapt Powell's composition to fit the new runtime of the scene, as Powell himself was too busy recording other scenes for the movie. Anyone has the Blu Ray? It would be interesting to compare which version is on the film, if it is the original or Batu's shorter version. The file on Batu Senor's site is simply cutdown, removing 01:34-02:24 of the OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Falstaft 2,132 Posted February 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 28, 2020 Terrific interview on John Burlingame's For Scores podcast with John Powell just went up. Mostly about Call of the Wild, but a little discussion at the end about Solo, where he goes into a little bit more detail about Williams's involvement than I remember hearing about elsewhere. http://disneymusic.co/ForScoresPodcast?IQid=website Notably, Williams, Powell, and Howard did a spotting session of the whole film. And then Williams not only sketched out but had a 90 piece orchestra "demo" a set of cues. I know Powell has alluded in the past to these cues Williams wrote, but this is the first I've seen that they were actually realized by an orchestra in some way. The extent to which they got used in the final film is still a little vague to me. I still swear "Parting Ways" sounds like pure Williams... Smaug The Iron, ChrisAfonso, SteveMc and 9 others 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,370 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Fascinating! I hope a future expanded album has all those "demos" at the end as bonus tracks. I'd imagine what happened is after that Powell (and his co-composers) began writing cue to (a possibly changing cut of the) picture, and sometimes were were able to keep the same material Williams had previously written and recorded integrated in, and sometimes not. So even the cues that didn't really change much (like, probably, Dice and Roll) still got re-recorded with the rest of the the cues in London, even if they were able to retain portions that were the same as when Williams recorded them Falstaft and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 How tantalizing!! Falstaft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted February 29, 2020 Author Share Posted February 29, 2020 It's quite curious what he means by "cues". I actually sort of doubt they were full scenes or sequences, more of a 30-60-second clips with variations on his own themes. Some of the brief segments you can hear on album sound like Williams doing his thing. There are probably 4-5 I can easily think of. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Those recordings are now the new holy grail! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,466 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Indeed. Pratically a new Williams Star Wars score that we haven't heard. Bofur01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,358 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Kasey: "Who cares about the boring Williams crap!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 638 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 I can definitely hear it in Parting Ways. Solo is such an absolutely wonderful score. Falstaft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 What is "Parting Ways"...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 On 2/28/2020 at 6:36 PM, Falstaft (hiatus til TROS) said: Notably, Williams, Powell, and Howard did a spotting session of the whole film. Howard, James Newton??? I'd love to see him given the chance at Star Wars too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 638 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 37 minutes ago, Tydirium said: What is "Parting Ways"...? The piece linked in the post above as an example of what sounds like Williams. 1 minute ago, Pieter Boelen said: Howard, James Newton??? I'd love to see him given the chance at Star Wars too... Ron. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,466 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Pieter Boelen said: Howard, James Newton??? I'd love to see him given the chance at Star Wars too... Actually, it was Bryce Dallas Howard. lol Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 1 hour ago, SilverTrumpet said: Ron. Thanks. It did indeed seem a bit on the unlikely side. But not as much as: 1 hour ago, Edmilson said: Actually, it was Bryce Dallas Howard. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted April 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 4, 2020 Since my YouTube playlists for the new films were removed over a year ago, I've since begun reuploading many of them to Google Drive. For anyone interested, here is my original playlist for Solo: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1uuInuJqZ9_Y09GebRlZpx3kcDQ-88mf2 Molly Weasley, LT1112, Pieter Boelen and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 So do we know whether "Corellia Chase" is Powell and Batu Sener, or is it just Sener? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share Posted April 13, 2020 He must have done something on it because I remember a video in which he was working on some percussion elements for this cue. Unless I confuse this with some another cue. Karol Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,466 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 The track sounds too much like Powell to be just a Batu composition. Unless Sener has mastered the hability to imitate Powell, I guess this is primarily a Powell composition on which Batu made some arrangements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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