Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Of course, if Powell had gotten credited at all. DrTenma 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bofur01 245 Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 1 hour ago, igger6 said: Might this have something to do with their both being co-nominated for the Grammy for “Mine Mission”? I always thought that L3/robot revolt theme was in Williams’ wheelhouse... I think that might be for Han’s Theme, actually... JP has said that he wrote all the other themes People definitely seem to be going a bit overboard with this Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Overboard? On JWFan? Never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,317 Posted May 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 4, 2020 I'll eat my hat if Williams didn't write this: jurassicjello · Return to the Village If it's Powell, his skill at replicating the warmth of Williams' style without being an obvious pastiche is more masterful than I thought. This sounds like a hybrid of War Horse and The Phantom Menace. I can imagine Williams being attracted to this scene because it's reminiscent of the Lucas SW endings. No dialogue, music takes center stage, an opportunity for the main theme to shine. Plus, one of the last appearances of his theme in the score (barring Dice and Roll, which he also wrote). In fact, the French horn and woodwind sections of that cue have seemingly been adapted into this earlier cue (albeit with a brief Powell theme in the middle): jurassicjello · Falcon To Hyperspace On 5/3/2020 at 5:18 PM, Luke Skywalker said: it would have been wonderful that Williams had wanted to do so much input in rogue one too. Arguably, if not for what happened on Rogue One, Williams wouldn't have gotten involved with Solo in the first place. Will, DrTenma, Falstaft and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 I remember that Hyperspace cue was one of the first film clips, before we knew the theme or anything, and I said the same thing on here at the time that either that was a crib from the Han theme or Powell was a genius impersonator. I think this is still very much a Powell score but it definitely makes sense now that some of the more subtly familiar touches to the Han theme are turning out to be pure JW lol. I had also just been happily going along thinking that the Han statement in the Dryden walk cue was a very canny job by Powell. Hearing it in the theater I was like “Man that sounds just like him” (Also I just noticed their initials are JP and JW...Jurassic Park and Jurassic World. Why.) crumbs and DrTenma 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 13 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: I remember that Hyperspace cue was one of the first film clips, before we knew the theme or anything, and I said the same thing on here at the time that either that was a crib from the Han theme or Powell was a genius impersonator. I think this is still very much a Powell score but it definitely makes sense now that some of the more subtly familiar touches to the Han theme are turning out to be pure JW lol. The ascending harp building to the big fanfare is pure Williams. That said, Powell's one of the few Hollywood composers who happily write such instruments into their scores. Then the stunning trumpet fanfare in counterpoint, after the first bars of the Han melody, wow! Such joyous adventure scoring I haven't heard from Williams in a long time (assuming he wrote it). Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Those trumpet calls in that and “Flying with Chewie” as well always remind me of the Force Theme in “Farewell and the Trip” Will and crumbs 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: Those trumpet calls in that and “Flying with Chewie” as well always remind me of the Force Theme in “Farewell and the Trip” Fantastic catch! It's identical to the way he jumps between the Force Theme on horns in counterpoint with trumpet flourishes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Mark 3,631 Posted May 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 4, 2020 JW didn't take his full credit for CoS either. So it's possible he did a bit more on Solo and we don't know about it (but not to the extent of CoS where he ended up doing everything) .We're discovering "hints" as time goes by. The themes for Mine Mission (that sounds like the Jurassic Park jeep ride theme), the love theme(lando's closet) and Chewy's theme (especially in Reminescence therapy) all sound like Williams wrote at least a sketch for them. All the Powell fans will say no, but I can't remember any themes he wrote that were this good and so close to JW's style in other scores he did . The RCP-ified Han's theme in track 2 and 3 with the drums is more Powell's style Remco, igger6 and Bofur01 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,353 Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Chewie is definitely a Powell theme. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Just now, Fal J. M. Skywalker said: Chewie is definitely a Powell theme. If KM likes it, it's Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Again, to quote John Williams himself on this matter: Quote Williams revealed his involvement in “Solo: A Star Wars Story” during in an interview with Variety about his current “Star Wars” opus, “The Last Jedi.” “The present plan is that I’m writing a theme for Han Solo, and John Powell is going to write the score, which he’ll do brilliantly,” Williams says. Powell was announced as the primary composer for “Solo” back in July. “His assignment is something I’m very happy about,” Williams adds. “What I will do is offer this to John, and to [director] Ron Howard, and if all parties are happy with it, then I will be happy. … John [Powell] will complete the score. He will write all the rest of the themes and all of the other material, which I’m going to be very anxious to hear.” As for the demos Williams wrote I bet they are just various variations on his theme. There are a lot of small bits here and there that sound like him. Like this, for example: Or this: Or this (not sure about 4:04-4:12 bit though): Perhaps...this? And definitely this: Karol Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Definitely not the bit in Testing Allegiances .The one in Dice and Roll 100%, and the one in Reminiscence Therapy probably..it sounds like the concert version Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 I would die to hear the original demos since recorded all of them with a full symphony orchestra. Just imagine how cool would it be to have that as an extra on the expanded set. Karol Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alex 2,835 Posted May 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 4, 2020 I wish we could have got a recording of The Adventures of Han with the London orchestra and mix. Bofur01, Cerebral Cortex and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bofur01 245 Posted May 5, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 5, 2020 The one in Flying with Chewie is so similar to the one in Hyperspace, they might both be adapted from the same JW sketch? 8 hours ago, King Mark said: The themes for Mine Mission (that sounds like the Jurassic Park jeep ride theme), the love theme(lando's closet) and Chewy's theme (especially in Reminescence therapy) all sound like Williams wrote at least a sketch for them. All the Powell fans will say no, but I can't remember any themes he wrote that were this good and so close to JW's style in other scores he did . The RCP-ified Han's theme in track 2 and 3 with the drums is more Powell's style the only reason you say this is because those JP theme statements don’t have RcP dRuMs, right? They really do sound classic Powell, cf. all the HTTYDs, and also Powell’s Instagram post where he said specifically that he wrote them... Evanus, Smaug The Iron and Will 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Meet Han is one of my favorite tracks on the OST. Although you can hear many Powell-isms in it, the low brass and introduction of Han's theme seem very JW. Interesting to think that JW might have written an intro to a SW movie that didn't begin with the classic fanfare. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTenma 116 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 22 hours ago, crumbs said: Arguably, if not for what happened on Rogue One, Williams wouldn't have gotten involved with Solo in the first place. I'm not so sure. I think Williams involvement has much to do with Ron Howard and all the schedule problems due to him replacing Lord and Miller. I could imagine Howard approaching Williams an asking him for some music while asking for his approval for Powell. Maybe if Edwards had approached Williams for Rogue One he would have considered composing something... But Lucasfilm was more confident with their movies in 2016 than in 2018... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 25 minutes ago, DrTenma said: I'm not so sure. I think Williams involvement has much to do with Ron Howard and all the schedule problems due to him replacing Lord and Miller. I could imagine Howard approaching Williams an asking him for some music while asking for his approval for Powell. Maybe if Edwards had approached Williams for Rogue One he would have considered composing something... But Lucasfilm was more confident with their movies in 2016 than in 2018... I'm pretty certain both Williams and Powell were attached before Ron Howard got involved. Powell was told that Williams would be involved when he was asked to score the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 638 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 On 5/4/2020 at 5:48 AM, crumbs said: Arguably, if not for what happened on Rogue One, Williams wouldn't have gotten involved with Solo in the first place. What happened? You mean the composer change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,466 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, SilverTrumpet said: What happened? You mean the composer change? According to some rumours that have been circulating, Williams hated the Rogue One score and what Giachinno had done with his themes. So, he demanded more involvement on Solo just to keep track of the quality of the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 yeah, but it's rumors , any basis that they might be true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 The game of Telephone that would be involved with that rumor making it to us has me pretty skeptical. Williams could have expressed unhappiness simply with the situation of the last minute composer change and by the time it made it through 10 levels of people it became "Williams hates Giacchino!" mrbellamy and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 10 hours ago, crumbs said: I'm pretty certain both Williams and Powell were attached before Ron Howard got involved. Powell was told that Williams would be involved when he was asked to score the film. I can't be bothered to find it right now but there was definitely an interview where John Powell specified that he met with Lord and Miller first and that Williams was definitely in from that early on, and then he said he was as confused as anybody by the production upheaval and didn't know whether or not he'd still have the job. Then he met with Ron Howard and they were good to go. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeH 768 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 57 minutes ago, Edmilson said: According to some rumours that have been circulating, Williams hated the Rogue One score and what Giachinno had done with his themes. So, he demanded more involvement on Solo just to keep track of the quality of the score. The discussion in this thread is pretty great and goes on for several pages. To me, listening to RO, it’s not hard for me to fathom the possibility that JW disliked how his themes were presented. Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,466 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Williams: "Let's hear the Star Wars score that this guy Matthew Jatchinno made" *puts on the Rogue One OST* Williams: Smeltington and MikeH 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 Giacchino didn't use Williams themes more or less badly than any other composer who had to use his themes. There's some bad renditions of Williams themes in Harry Potter 4-8 i wonder what Williams thinks of Jurassic world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 If there's any truth to the rumor, he may just feel an entirely different kind of loyalty and defensiveness about Star Wars. It looms largest in his legend. But it is interesting when we get these hints about how he may set conditions with people using his music. I love that interview with the Swiss Army Man directors revealing that they received a letter from his reps saying they could use Jurassic Park as long as the movie wasn't NC-17. I don't know what they meant by he never licenses his music, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 He also didn't like Shadows of the Empire according to an old interview Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeH 768 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: I love that interview with the Swiss Army Man directors revealing that they received a letter from his reps saying they could use Jurassic Park as long as the movie wasn't NC-17. That’s some sad news for the creators of JurASSic Park! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 1 hour ago, King Mark said: He also didn't like Shadows of the Empire according to an old interview Yeah supposedly he was so upset that when the prequels came Williams involvement was no a sure thing..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Luke Skywalker said: Yeah supposedly he was so upset that when the prequels came Williams involvement was no a sure thing..... It's understandable if he wasn't asked, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 638 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 6 hours ago, King Mark said: He also didn't like Shadows of the Empire according to an old interview I thought that case was more that they didn't ask him because they were convinced he wouldn't be interested in such a thing, and he was offended that they'd think that. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 Weird to think he might have actually taken that project on, had he been asked. Wonder what a Shadows of the Empire score by John Williams would have sounded like? Either way, McNeely did a brilliant job. The score fits right alongside the original 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 638 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 I think it was more the courtesy of asking than that he would have actually done it. He seems like he really wants to check in on anything Star Wars music, since it's his baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 Probably, though he did have lots of spare time on his hands during that period (he only did 3 film scores between Schindler's List and 1997). New Star Wars music might have been an attractive prospect after 13 years. But he certainly should've been extended the courtesy of being asked to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTenma 116 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 On 5/5/2020 at 11:22 AM, crumbs said: I'm pretty certain both Williams and Powell were attached before Ron Howard got involved. Powell was told that Williams would be involved when he was asked to score the film. Oh... If that was the case the "I don't like Rogue One score" makes much more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviazn 273 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 On 5/4/2020 at 7:27 PM, crumbs said: The ascending harp building to the big fanfare is pure Williams. That said, Powell's one of the few Hollywood composers who happily write such instruments into their scores. Then the stunning trumpet fanfare in counterpoint, after the first bars of the Han melody, wow! Such joyous adventure scoring I haven't heard from Williams in a long time (assuming he wrote it). On 5/4/2020 at 7:42 PM, mrbellamy said: Those trumpet calls in that and “Flying with Chewie” as well always remind me of the Force Theme in “Farewell and the Trip” To me, those trumpet lines in the hyperspace cue always sounded too…busy, for lack of a better word, to be Williams. Seemed more like Powell to me—especially the second one, and the way it modulates. But the more pared down version from the Flying with Chewie cue that @crocodile posted sounds more like Williams to me—maybe the hyperspace version was Powell's variation on it. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 God I hate those drums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 yeah the drums cheapen part of this score Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 894 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 I agree about the drums, much as I love this score. If someone could have tied off whatever neurons lead Powell to do that, I think the score would have sounded more uniformly Star Wars. But I'm so thrilled with it overall that it's hard to stay mad about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Erik Woods 555 Posted May 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 12, 2020 On 5/4/2020 at 5:48 AM, crumbs said: I'll eat my hat if Williams didn't write this: jurassicjello · Return to the Village If it's Powell, his skill at replicating the warmth of Williams' style without being an obvious pastiche is more masterful than I thought. This sounds like a hybrid of War Horse and The Phantom Menace. Go back and listen to "This is Berk" Powell's been writing these kind of cues for 10 years! -Erik- PS - The drums are awesome in this score. That's what makes it a perfect Williams/Powell hybrid score! Holko, Will and Smaug The Iron 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 11 minutes ago, Erik Woods said: Go back and listen to "This is Berk" Powell's been writing these kind of cues for 10 years! -Erik- PS - The drums are awesome in this score. That's what makes it a perfect Williams/Powell hybrid score! I don't know. At no point does This Is Berk sound like a 100% accurate recreation of obscure, specific Williamsisms. Agreed about the drums though, the complaints are fanboy purist nonsense. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 The drums are good. The only issue I have with them is that sometimes the way they're mixed buries some other elements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Yes. When you're not very interesting composer put there fucking loud drums that will cover everything. Lesson one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 How's Book Thief, Pasi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 One of the greatest. I just went mad when accused to be a fanboy if one doesn't like generic drums. Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmarps 217 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Firstly - lets start to refer to the "drums" as percussion. Secondly, I don't think the score needed the added "21st century soundtrack" sounding percussion. Powell is not a disinteresting composer - not one of the greatest either though, but the score really could stand on its own without cheapening it with this modern take on Star Wars. The reason why it sounds so fabulous when Williams uses percussion like that (think the opening chase of Attack of the Clones, or maybe Chrome Dome?) is because he uses this soundscape so scarcely. His music is good enough to stand on its own without Hans Zimmer in the background, and I don't think the majority of the Solo score needed them either. Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 13 minutes ago, tmarps said: Firstly - lets start to refer to the "drums" as percussion. Oh, how decadent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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