THE ADVENTURES OF HAN - 2018 John Williams theme for Solo: A Star Wars Story

[DominicCobb 196]

Yep, that bit in Corellia Chase got me thinking of their connection in the first place. Good stuff.

[The Five Tones 305]

Re: Han B (Searching), I can't help but think of Jyn Erso's theme, itself also bearing a slow mordent-like figure on the minor third degree of the scale followed by the tonic then fourth (fourth then tonic in the case of Han) but without the ternary rhythmic tricks of Han. They employ similar treatments of the minor tetrachord. Obviously no real connection other than them being protagonist themes in the first two SW anthology films, with Giacchino paying homage to Williams, with Jyn vaguely resembling the Force or Across the Stars. They all connect in a low res way.

[Disco Stu 15,517]

Just now, The Five Tones said:

Re: Han B (Searching), I can't help but think of Jyn Erso's theme,

 

I do notice a similar emotional tone to them for sure.

[mrbellamy 8,009]

Jyn Erso

Han Solo

 

Three letter first name that ends with N

 

Four letter last name that ends with O

 

Themes are similar 

 

[The Five Tones 305]

Nicely played - I approve the photo!

[Disco Stu 15,517]

14 minutes ago, mrbellamy said:

Jyn Erso

Han Solo

 

Three letter first name that ends with N

 

Four letter last name that ends with O

 

Themes are similar 

 

 

 

Ergo....

[leeallen01 2,341]

[stravinsky 232]

I'm still enjoying this score although I think I'll skip seeing the movie. Would I be right in saying that it's unlikely Disney will release an FYC now because we are so far away from next years Oscars? 

[Jay 45,630]

There will probably be an FYC album. 

[The Five Tones 305]

21 hours ago, The Five Tones said:

Re: Han B (Searching), I can't help but think of Jyn Erso's theme, itself also bearing a slow mordent-like figure on the minor third degree of the scale followed by the tonic then fourth (fourth then tonic in the case of Han) but without the ternary rhythmic tricks of Han. They employ similar treatments of the minor tetrachord. Obviously no real connection other than them being protagonist themes in the first two SW anthology films, with Giacchino paying homage to Williams, with Jyn vaguely resembling the Force or Across the Stars. They all connect in a low res way.

Or Imperials/Krennic 1 for that matter, minus the tetrachord part. Fast lower neighbour tone figure followed by descending interval.

[Drew 597]

If anyone is interested, here is my transcription of the piece (by ear).

 

 

[filmmusic 3,143]

piano sheet music of the whole piece, with the pages watermarked (except for the first one), but easy to follow despite that.

https://www.musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/mtd.asp?ppn=MN0185061

[crumbs 15,927]

Has anyone got that original mock-up of the leaked Williams sketch of his two Han Themes? I'm sure someone transcribed that leak into a mock-up and it was fabulous in piano form!

 

I went back through the thread looking for it but it's been deleted.

[Holko 11,975]

I remember when the two mockups were up for a few hours, they were different from the actual score but quite good!

[crlbrg 382]

Wait, there was a leak of JW’s sketch? 😮

[Holko 11,975]

The Score Podcast leaked a sheet and someone here made a piano mockup based on it, but all those posts were deleted when the Score guys were asked to take the sheet down.

[crumbs 15,927]

And now that early mock-up is lost! But it was really good!!

[Nick Parker 3,049]

Was it the complete theme, or a condensed less than a minute version?

[Holko 11,975]

Just a bare single rendition of the main and the searching themes, less than a minute. I listened to it about 20 times!

[Nick Parker 3,049]

I have a mockup that's 40 something seconds, think that might be it?

[Drew 597]

I have those piano recordings saved.

[Holko 11,975]

There's no risk in reuploading them now, is there?

[Drew 597]

Am I allowed to post Dropbox links because they are cover versions performed by another JWFan member?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,085]

Probably not.

[crumbs 15,927]

You could PM them, though... 

[Drew 597]

"Han Hero" (unlisted)

 

"Han B" (unlisted)

 

Does anyone remember who performed these?

[Holko 11,975]

Ahh, the memories!

No idea who it was though  

[Rachael Foley 9,835]

Wasn't it @Docteur Qui?

[Docteur Qui 1,581]

Yep that was me! I was going off the lead sheet that leaked before we had heard the track.

[hornist 1,242]

I just don't get it. We have now the real music(which is great, except powell) 

why this interest of the mockups? And the love for the trailer music😱 you don't know who is JW.  My final post. Cheers. 

[Docteur Qui 1,581]

4 hours ago, hornist said:

I just don't get it. We have now the real music(which is great, except powell) 

why this interest of the mockups? And the love for the trailer music😱 you don't know who is JW.  My final post. Cheers. 

 

What are you on about? @crumbs was just asking about the recordings I made a few months ago, it was an exciting time, right on the cusp of some brand new Williams music. Why are you such a wet blanket?

[Jay 45,630]

You're allowed to post dropbox or whatever else links to your own recordings or midi mockups, etc of things

[mrbellamy 8,009]

Anybody happen to save the Boston Pops premiere performance?

[hornist 1,242]

Listened to this very much lately, suggesting it to our orchestra for a great encore for a film night. Since it is available by Hal Leonard we should buy this. Such an amazing piece of music, the film was awful so was the score but this piece survived. Ear worm stuff that theme is. 

[King Mark 3,912]

not as good as Galaxy's Edge!

[hornist 1,242]

So much better!! And I also love Galaxy's Edge😍

[Sunshine Reger 3,711]

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[crumbs 15,927]

2 hours ago, First TROS March Accolyte said:

Heard this today, and it reminded me of the Adventures of Han:

 

 

I don't hear the correlation at all, personally.

[crumbs 15,927]

Not sure if this nugget of information is previously known (it's news to me). In this recent podcast, Powell confirms that all the cues John sketched & orchestrated for Solo were recorded in LA. It wasn't just the concert suite which got recorded:
 

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Powell: We went into John Williams demo mode which is very different from the rest of us. When I go into demo mode I'm locked in my small room and I turn themes into orchestrations in MIDI, played by sample libraries that try to give an idea for everybody about what it's going to sound like. A John Williams demo is you go to Sony Picture scoring stage with an orchestra of 90 people and you record things. You can't use them, unfortunately we were recording in London so even though we were doing the demos here we couldn't use any of it, at all. We had to be very careful about that. But that was the way for everybody to be able to hear his ideas of cues. So for one session at Sony, he took all of these, about 6 or 7 cues he'd sketched out and orchestrated, and they were recorded, and then there was one thematic piece which wasn't to picture.

 

So, armed with all of that material, I took his themes and added them to about 4 or 5 that I'd written for other things we needed and started to develop parts of his themes in, hopefully, ways that he would like... and use them in the correct places for the right reasons, use my themes in the right way, underpin my themes with his ostinati and vice versa, and just mould it all together. And he would check in every now & again and see how it was going. For me, that was as much of a collaboration as I ever thought I would get and it was a wonderful experience. I really did it under the auspices of a master.

 

 

I think previously we only knew these additional cues were fully orchestrated and given to Powell, not that every Williams cue was recorded at Sony alongside the concert suite. I wonder if we'll ever hear this music, or whether it was recorded on the condition it could not be released commercially (hopefully it just applies to usage in the film itself, while a commercial release would be permissible for a fee).

[Luke Skywalker 2,352]

I hope those are not lost and got recorded :(. Or get rerecorded someday.

 

it would have been wonderful that Williams had wanted to do so much input in rogue one too.

 

 

[Pellaeon 597]

1 hour ago, crumbs said:

Powell: When I go into demo mode I'm locked in my small room and I turn themes into orchestrations in MIDI, played by sample libraries that try to give an idea for everybody about what it's going to sound like. A John Williams demo is you go to Sony Picture scoring stage with an orchestra of 90 people and you record things.

 

Hahah, love it!

All wearing tuxedos, in my imagination, of course.

[Smeltington 1,878]

THEY DO THESE THINGS TO TORTURE US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[artguy360 2,175]

6 or 7 cues to film is a lot. I would love to hear those cues played over the footage and hear how he imagined the score. 

 

I imagine a lot of it was development of the main theme. It is pretty much plastered all over the soundtrack so I wonder how much of JW's 6 or 7 cues are still in the film? There are long stretches of the Space Port music that sound like classic JW.

[Bofur01 249]

See, Spaceport is one of the last places I’d imagine one of JW’s contributions would be in. 
 

if i were to guess, I’d say Hyperspace, that Han theme bit near the end of Reminiscence Therapy, Don’t Hold Your Breath and the end of Dice and Roll were the most likely I can think of

[BrotherSound 2,665]

There’s two JW-only cues with titles in the GEMA database, Kessel Run Pt. 1 - TIE Chase A and Kessel Run Pt. 1 - TIE Chase C, which I believe are both in the ‘Into the Maw’ OST track, though this wouldn’t be his original recordings.

Williams also apparently did something called Walk to Dryden’s. Anyone happen to know what that might be, and if it’s on the album?
 

Also, the end of Dice and Roll is indeed JW (as @Falstaft suspected), as well as Meet Han, though I assume Powell added additional percussion to the later when it was re-recorded.

[mrbellamy 8,009]

11 minutes ago, BrotherSound said:

There’s two JW-only cues with titles in the GEMA database, Kessel Run Pt. 1 - TIE Chase A and Kessel Run Pt. 1 - TIE Chase C, which I believe are both in the ‘Into the Maw’ OST track, though this wouldn’t be his original recordings.

 

No chance that's just Asteroid Field?

 

11 minutes ago, BrotherSound said:

Williams also apparently did something called Walk to Dryden’s. Anyone happen to know what that might be, and if it’s on the album?

 

Oh fuck I know exactly what this is, not on album but has always been one of my favorite unreleased bits, I'll find it in Manakin's drive...

 

Gotta be 0:54 of "Dryden's Yacht"

[BrotherSound 2,665]

1 minute ago, mrbellamy said:

No chance that's just Asteroid Field?

No, I don’t think so. These are JW entries for music written specifically for Solo: A Star Wars Story. And there’s 6 items, not including the Adventures of Han, which matches what Powell has said about the number of cues and demos done by Williams. 
 

I believe the reuse of The Asteroid Field wouldn’t require a new entry, but would instead be entered as an additional use of the existing entry for that cue from ESB.

[King Mark 3,912]

I hear a bit of the love theme in that Dryden cue.  I always thought Williams might have something to do with that theme. Maybe he wrote a sketch and Powell modified it.

 

Also Reminiscence Therapy is a compilation of JW themes and when Chewy's Theme pops up it also sounds like something Williams might have wrote (the true Williams orchestrated version). 

 

Seems the more we learn (JW's demos with several themes), the   more it's likely Williams presence in this score is more imprinted than we think

[igger6 1,042]

Might this have something to do with their both being co-nominated for the Grammy for “Mine Mission”? I always thought that L3/robot revolt theme was in Williams’ wheelhouse...

[DrTenma 117]

So if Williams was Zimmer the movie would have only said "Music by John Williams" and Powell would appear as "Additional Music by John Powell", right?