aviazn 273 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Richard Penna said: If it were actually the frame rate and pitch, wouldn't it be off by many minutes, rather than just a few seconds? Are you thinking of 48 khz vs 44.1 khz? Then yes, it'd be several minutes. But for 24 vs 23.976, 0.1% of TLJ's 152 minute run time is 9.12 seconds. Okay, so several seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,696 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Oh, I was thinking 23 vs 30fps. Or something - like the PAL/NTCS difference. Thought it would be more than a few seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Highly unlikely the MA file isn't 23.976. Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 I just found out that I can't even watch the isolated score on my TV. Samsung apparently doesn't have the Movies Anywhere app (that I could find), and neither does my Xbox One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 lol..so this the "future" of Home Media Manakin Skywalker and Holko 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,532 Posted March 16, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2018 Just now, Manakin Skywalker said: Samsung apparently doesn't have the Movies Nowhere app Fixed! Joni Wiljami, Pieter Boelen, Manakin Skywalker and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Shit... now I just found out that Google removed the "view image" and "search by image" buttons on Google Images. It really is the beginning of the end! Arpy and Pieter Boelen 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 It's pretty simple to get around the view image thing going missing; right-click on the image and press ... view image. Drag and drop images into the search bar on the images page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 7 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Shit... now I just found out that Google removed the "view image" and "search by image" buttons on Google Images. It really is the beginning of the end! An absolutely maddening decision by Google. WTF are they doing? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,532 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Getting themselves a golden seat in heaven by reducing the worst plague on mankind - picture piracy! bollemanneke and Smeltington 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,319 Posted March 17, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 17, 2018 Ugh. Anyway, back on topic, rewatched TLJ tonight (in normal form) and again loved that soundtrack. The film carries music incredibly well, considering all but 10 minutes of the film are scored. The only time I felt music was unnecessary was during the Kylo/Luke sequence, as the First Order fires all their weapons at Luke. Half the music is tracked from Escape anyway, so eh! Either way, just reiterates how skewed the impression of the score is on OST. I reckon a solid 2 hours of the film is original score and the remaining 20 is existing themes, but I'll have to measure it out just to reassure myself. In any case, the film is definitely not just "TFA regurgitated" or any nonsense like that. And just when you think you've seen the best scored and orchestrated music of any film in 2017 (the sacrifice sequence in Escape), JW tops it (with Holdo's Resolve) then JW tops it again (with The Spark). He's a genius. igmuck, Smeltington, Chewy and 6 others 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 7 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Shit... now I just found out that Google removed the "view image" and "search by image" buttons on Google Images. It really is the beginning of the end! Noooooooooooooooo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,843 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 7 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Shit... now I just found out that Google removed the "view image" d! well, to view image I right click and "view image". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,696 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I noticed that a few weeks ago. It's a minor annoyance, although why is concerning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I still think when the First Order fires on Luke is one of my favorite moments of scoring in the film. It’s so Shakespearean, suggesting Kylo’s hubris and tragic nature. I don’t get the complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 My only complaint is that the original cue was replaced with tracked music from Escape! I love the cue itself, but would much rather hear Williams' original intention. Also think the film could live without the cue, but I'd much rather have too much music than not enough (a complaint I could probably level at TFA, which bafflingly omitted some really great stuff that should've remained). Does this also mean we can add that motif to the list of recurring ideas in TLJ? Off the top of my head I can't remember where else in the film this motif occurs (other than the Battle of Crait) but it seems to be a recurring idea for the First Order. Starts here: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 It also occurs late in “Escape!” Plays when the bombers are getting destroyed, if I recall. With three occurrences, I’d call it a motif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,953 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Depends on whether it represents something specific in the narrative. Sounds to me like general "bad guy" music, more than a deliberate thematic identity. Williams' scores (and really, every piece of leitmotivic music which is that long) are filled with little generic phrases that happen to recur multiple times, without nessecarily possesing a thematic identity. A good Williams, Star Wars example would be this little descending horn phrase that happens all around the finale at Cloud City. It recurs a good three or four times, but does it represent anything thematically? hell no. Its also true of his other scores (e.g. the use of tritones in Star Wars and Indiana Jones). Another example from a none-Williams score is the brass gesture that Horner uses in Braveheart (no, not his usual "danger" gesure - he used a different one for that score) before battles - its all over the score, but you'd be hard pressed to call it a leitmotif. Even in the Middle Earth score, there's a little recurring idea in the prologue and in the middle of the Two Towers (when the choir sings "Tercano Nuruva"), but its nevertheless not a leitmotif, because it doesn't represent anything; its just a Shore-ism. And you could find such examples in Wagner, too. I don't think there are any other real themes in there outside of the main three that we came to identify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I noticed that motif, too...I wanna say it plays in other places, but all I can think of is in the opening. 33 minutes ago, Taikomochi said: I still think when the First Order fires on Luke is one of my favorite moments of scoring in the film. It’s so Shakespearean, suggesting Kylo’s hubris and tragic nature. I don’t get the complaints. Sorry, but that music there completely throws the realism of the scene out the window. 9 minutes ago, crumbs said: My only complaint is that the original cue was replaced with tracked music from Escape! I love the cue itself, but would much rather hear Williams' original intention How do you know he wrote something else for that scene? A few thoughts on the score and the film: I'm really surprised by how much the extra music fills in the score for me. I'm probably closer to Thor on this kind of thing than not, but a lot of the cues fill in that Star Wars feel that I was missing from the original album. However, it also illuminated more times where I feel Williams has a "Star Wars" button by his desk to generate cute-ass triad fanfares to score heroic or dangerous things. Watching it a week ago, I was impressed with how elegantly John Williams dances around the on-screen action, not just in the dramatic choices of course (like the bombastic WWII elegy when Paige's bombs hit the Star Destroyer), but also in the orchestration: I'm thinking of the opening with that one fanfare that everyone loves (can't post times or anything right now, sorry). It repeats but keeps getting other instruments stacked on top of it, layering in octaves. While this is a fun build up on album, I noticed watching the film that it gets pretty dense with the sound effects at that moment, climaxing in a dude getting blown up in his ship. At that precise moment, Williams slaps on some piercing piccolos that come through on the mix, and I think, "Holy crap, that seems like it would be so hard to do!" And he probably whipped that out instantly, thinking, "Alright, got 2 1/2 more hours to go, let's boogie." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I don't think it is tracked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I don't think so either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I actually thought the tracking was the other way around... although not that part, but the part when they stop firing/Poe lands in the hangar (as that wasn't on the OST version of Escape). This was my thought watching the film months ago though, will have to investigate again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 That’s correct. It’s chopped up in the latter of the two segments, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Probably because of the Rey and Chewie scene being removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew 590 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 11 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Shit... now I just found out that Google removed the "view image" and "search by image" buttons on Google Images. It really is the beginning of the end! They did that do settle a dispute with Getty Images over the fact that they indexed their images, which prevented visitors from having to visit their site to purchase "their" images. Fortunately, there are third-party Chrome extensions that can restore the view image function. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Right click and select "open image in new tab" to download the image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew 590 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 45 minutes ago, Trent B said: Right click and select "open image in new tab" to download the image. Not quite. That would only pull up the smaller image size that Google has indexed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 No, most of the times, it works. I’m guessing it depends on how the image is indexed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 The "search by images" function is the one I'm most concerned about, as I use it constantly. And there's no way around that that I'm aware of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,532 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Manakin Skywalker said: The "search by images" function is the one I'm most concerned about, as I use it constantly. And there's no way around that that I'm aware of. Go to images.google.com, there's a photo icon in the search bar, insert the picture URL there. It's fiddly, but the only workaround I know of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Holko said: Go to images.google.com, there's a photo icon in the search bar, insert the picture URL there. It's fiddly, but the only workaround I know of. Ah yes I forgot about that. But it's still quite a hassle when it used to be so simple. Pardon my French, but fuck Getty Images. Smeltington and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 I think I prefer the Blu-ray version of the end credits suite with the entirety of Rebellion is Reborn (including Carrie Fisher tribute) leading to The Battle of Crait leading to Rey's theme. It's a much smoother listen. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe this is the same version that was playing over the theatrical release of the film? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 I think its the same, it seemed the same on the digital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Whatever is on the FYC is the theatrical version. We ended up with 3 versions of the credits for TFA (Theatrical, OST and Bluray), only 2 for TLJ (OST and Theatrical/Bluray). I think someone involved in assembling the OST wanted Holdo's Resolve included on the OST but couldn't make it work as its own track, so they found a way to shoehorn it into the end credits suite (alongside a Yoda's Theme suite which doesn't appear in the film proper). The film's end credits are a little more streamlined because they bounce around to fewer tracks, but ultimately it's just a repeat of Battle of Crait (with a little bit of unreleased/unused music towards the end before Rey's Theme takes over). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,953 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 hour ago, crocodile said: Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe this is the same version that was playing over the theatrical release of the film I think it is. I have to say I'm not a big fan of the end-credits suite (which I usually love). Part of the issue is the inorganic way in which Leia's theme on piano is nestled into it. I would have preferred to hear that play out a little longer. mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 I always use the "Tool" function then select the size to large for searching for images I want to use for artwork via google. I then right click and select "open image in new tab" and it brings up its original size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,211 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 6 hours ago, Chen G. said: Part of the issue is the inorganic way in which Leia's theme on piano is nestled into it. I would have preferred to hear that play out a little longer. It still sounds like a last minute edit to me. If it is, I hope that the eventual expanded/complete release, whenever it happens, includes the original version of that cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 I realize I'm now old enough to be dead when that happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FC4L 87 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 On 3/14/2018 at 12:32 PM, NL197 said: So as a Canadian I can pirate the shit out of it and not feel guilty Have you discovered a place to obtain the "not available to Canadians" version? you can PM if it's too hush-hush for prying ears to discover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post artguy360 1,844 Posted March 19, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2018 I like the OST version of the End Credits over the film version even though the film version features longer unedited pieces of music. I just don't care for including so much music from The Battle of Crait. The OST version is more of a quick medley than a suite but it works to represent the major themes and moments from the film without so many minutes of pure action music. Smaug The Iron, Holko, crumbs and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Chronologically, it's also more interesting hearing reprises of Holdo and Yoda's Themes than it is to hear a wholesale cut & paste of the Crait Battle music, which is only, what, 20 minutes prior? Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 17 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: It still sounds like a last minute edit to me. If it is, I hope that the eventual expanded/complete release, whenever it happens, includes the original version of that cue. While it does sound last minute, Fisher died in late 2016 so there was still plenty of time to redo the end credits music... if Williams had even started on it yet. I'm still holding out hope that Williams wrote/recorded something more cohesive and original but it doesn't seem likely at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,953 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 43 minutes ago, someonefun124 said: I'm still holding out hope that Williams wrote/recorded something more cohesive and original but it doesn't seem likely at all. Sadly, I think you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,441 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 56 minutes ago, someonefun124 said: While it does sound last minute, Fisher died in late 2016 so there was still plenty of time to redo the end credits music... if Williams had even started on it yet. I'm still holding out hope that Williams wrote/recorded something more cohesive and original but it doesn't seem likely at all. They might not have had the end credits put together that early on, though? Or the credits could have changed later in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 That's a good question... I have no idea when in the process the end credits are assembled but it seems a one year notice would be enough time to avoid last-minute credit changes. The film was in the can by August or September. I imagine all Williams needs to know about the credits is the length and, in this case, when the Fisher credit appears. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 On 17 March 2018 at 10:15 PM, Drew said: Not quite. That would only pull up the smaller image size that Google has indexed. I usually just right-click and select "view image". That displays the full-sized image without having to visit the referring site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laserschwert 475 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 So, is anybody already trying to put together an extended/complete/whatever edit? Crumbs? Or are we still waiting for a higher quality version of the iso-score to pop up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 There's already many fan edits combining iso score with OST and FYC floating around the internet, of course. You must know about that place that worships that certain JRPG bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laserschwert 475 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 I'll check it out. Unfortunately that site has lately started to make my virus protection explode every few seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,532 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 It's been infected with a coin miner script a while back, blocking JavaScript solved it, but it should be fine now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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