dylanskie 104 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 I think it could be anything at this point. It's nothing we've already heard before, though, even though it's strongly reminiscent to Crashing the Party! Listening to those two segments really makes me want to rip the score, even though it has SFX... Rey's theme might be the best thing to come out of the sequel trilogy. Will and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted March 29, 2020 Author Share Posted March 29, 2020 I just moved a bunch of posts out because I want to leave this thread to be a discussion of the score to this film, not about tangentially related aspects of the entire saga. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattris 416 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 Hi @Jay Could you please relocate those posts into the Star Wars IX The Rise of Skywalker (JJ Abrams 2019) topic? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,373 Posted March 29, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 29, 2020 I think I put them where they belong Manakin Skywalker, SteveMc, Mattris and 2 others 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JohnnyD 1,223 Posted March 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 29, 2020 I put this together. This might and could very well be the full opening, including the Mustafar sequence, the journey to Exegol, the encounter with Palpatine and the reveal of the Final Order. If nothing else, I put it together just for fun. Enjoy! Share your reactions. 01_Main_Title_and_Journey_to_Exegol.m4a DrTenma, Will, Bayesian and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattris 416 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 On 1/9/2020 at 1:24 AM, crumbs said: Plus the gorgeous, resolved rendition in A New Home. In A New Home, I would say that Rey's Theme resolve rather rather open-ended. The dark-sounding cello cadence resolves, but with those repeating notes in the fore, just like the concert version of Rey's Theme. The 6-note figure is a variation of the first bars of her theme, which modulates (upwardly) throughout, also similar to Rey's Theme. John Williams is trying to tell us something with cellos at 0:16. Removing the second-to-last note of the phrase reveals the major triad of The Imperial March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 On 3/26/2020 at 2:31 AM, Cerebral Cortex said: I'd been wanting to see for a while now how well the "taking off" section of We Go Together would work with the similar sequence from ROTJ. Even with some editing, it's still clunky, but it might still be fun to see. Love this; thanks for sharing. One of my favorite moments of the TROS score & film. Amazing how well it fits this scene, too. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted April 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 4, 2020 Since I am not able to upload any of the music to YouTube, I've begun uploading several of my removed playlists to Google Drive. I've also uploaded my TROS edit, which I am still currently working on. Here's the playlist for anyone interested: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1WSm5w72kUcAWVsuWJ6aob0DKGDIEyToz EDIT: yes, I am aware of the playback issue. Falstaft, Demodex, Smaug The Iron and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smaug The Iron 516 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Thank you @Manakin Skywalker for that link. Wow Return of the Sith is great. I barely notis it in the film but now I can hear it clearly. Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka 242 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Why does Lando's entrance sound so much like Poe's theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 4 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Since I am not able to upload any of the music to YouTube, I've begun uploading several of my removed playlists to Google Drive. I've also uploaded my TROS edit, which I am still currently working on. Here's the playlist for anyone interested: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1WSm5w72kUcAWVsuWJ6aob0DKGDIEyToz I can't play them but thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, Demodex said: I can't play them but thanks. I've been discussing that with several other people... It appears that Google Drive has a daily server capacity; basically the number of people that can view a file each day is limited. I'll have to find an alternative place to upload them. Will and Fabulin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 Could you upload them to Mega? @Manakin Skywalker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 21 minutes ago, Arpy said: Could you upload them to Mega? @Manakin Skywalker I'm looking for more of a YouTube-like platform for people to view (not download) the videos. Once I finish the edits in the future I might just put them up on Squidboard or something. Tiburon and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 YouTube sucks nowadays, so authoritarian and pro-censorship. Will and Tydirium 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 It's been subpar ever since Google took over. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 I've never seen a platform so against its own users. It's fine if you're in the creator partnerships, but if you want to share music, videos, news other than the mainstream outlets, opinions not sanctioned by Google - then you're out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,514 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 What drives me crazy is that there is no losless audio option. Old-timers upload archival recordings from their antique vinyls, acetates, shellacs, player pianos, and even cylinders for posterity only to have the already lossy sound distorted into 96kbps or whatever the r compression output on this platform is. But hey, at least they offer some free (mildly compressed) rarae aves too. I've found recordings in higher quality there than on desktop Spotify. Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 On 4/4/2020 at 1:02 PM, Manakin Skywalker said: Since I am not able to upload any of the music to YouTube, I've begun uploading several of my removed playlists to Google Drive. I've also uploaded my TROS edit, which I am still currently working on. Here's the playlist for anyone interested: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1WSm5w72kUcAWVsuWJ6aob0DKGDIEyToz EDIT: yes, I am aware of the playback issue. Were these scenes from the movie with just the music? Or is there dialogue and sound effects too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 11 minutes ago, Demodex said: Were these scenes from the movie with just the music? Or is there dialogue and sound effects too? There is no isolated score for this film. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 I've added a few more cues to my edit: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1WSm5w72kUcAWVsuWJ6aob0DKGDIEyToz BrotherSound and Cerebral Cortex 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JohnnyD 1,223 Posted April 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 10, 2020 This is the entirety of Rey Arrives On Exegol. Enjoy. 39_Rey_Arrives_On_Exegol.m4a Obi, shad79, Giftheck and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 23 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: I've added a few more cues to my edit: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1WSm5w72kUcAWVsuWJ6aob0DKGDIEyToz How do you d/l individual files. I also get a zip error when trying to d/l the whole thing I love Kylo Ren's theme in Rey's Incredible Hand. Best rendition of that theme Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, King Mark said: How do you d/l individual files. I also get a zip error when trying to d/l the whole thing Same. I think he might have disabled downloading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 13 minutes ago, King Mark said: How do you d/l individual files. I also get a zip error when trying to d/l the whole thing It's meant to emulate my YouTube playlists, so downloading is disabled. If and when I finish the whole thing I might post it in the PM chain, unless someone else finishes their edit first. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAK 2 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/9/2020 at 11:45 PM, Manakin Skywalker said: It's meant to emulate my YouTube playlists, so downloading is disabled. If and when I finish the whole thing I might post it in the PM chain, unless someone else finishes their edit first. Wow this is cool. Would love a complete edit. I’ll have to check out your videos. One piece I’ve been so desperate to hear is the high strings arrangement of Palpatine’s theme when Rey is on the old Death Star, before her vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 46 minutes ago, DAK said: Wow this is cool. Would love a complete edit. I’ll have to check out your videos. One piece I’ve been so desperate to hear is the high strings arrangement of Palpatine’s theme when Rey is on the old Death Star, before her vision. I'm not sure what piece you're thinking of, but the music that plays right before Rey's vision is actually from Return of the Jedi, called "Darth Vader's Death", which can be found here starting at 0:48 DAK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAK 2 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: I'm not sure what piece you're thinking of, but the music that plays right before Rey's vision is actually from Return of the Jedi, called "Darth Vader's Death", which can be found here starting at 0:48 Well damn how about that! I’ve only seen RoS once and was so caught up in that scene I guess my brain only registered that a Sith theme was playing, not specifically who’s. Yup that’s 13m02 from RotJ. Thanks. Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 917 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Looking at the list in the other thread, I'm wondering if the opening goes something like this? Main Title (T1 0:00-1:26) The Ninth Beginning (T1 1:26-2:04) Approaching The Nursery (T1 2:04-4:12) Vader's Castle (T2 1:56-end) The OST T1 ending is cut down but can be heard in the FYC track The Prisoner as the first 28 seconds. I think that's actually where that piece might belong. It makes sense for Vader's theme in Journey to Exegol onwards to be part of that sequence originally and that's how it is in the film, just with what appears to be inserts and tracked music added in. As for the rest of Journey To Exegol? That's anyone's guess. It could be for a sequence that was taken out of the film, or an alternative piece, or something that's not actually meant to play at that point at all. It wouldn't be the first time an OST track in Star Wars has been combined, titled something else and put in a different place. The opening's a right mess, isn't it? I hope one day sheet music for the film leaks out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted April 12, 2020 Author Share Posted April 12, 2020 Approaching The Nursery is for the original version of Kylo's talk with the Emperor on Exegol, that was both longer (the OST track is edited down from the full recording) and didn't feature the reveal that Palpatine had a fleet. It looks like when that reveal got moved into the opening, in the Nov 11 cut, they tracked in 14 seconds of Vader's Castle and then 43 seconds of 8M04 Psalm of the Sith.. In the final cut, we hear the big Vader's Theme statement from OST track 2, so I'd assume that's Vader's Castle, but then 16 seconds of Geneology (Join Me), 13 seconds of Stop and Start (Final Lightsaber Duel), and 25 seconds of unknown music, which could be Psalm of the Sith, maybe. The whole reason the OST and Nov 11 info only has The Ninth Beginning in between the Main Title and Approaching The Nursery seems to be because in the Nov 11 cut JJ had excised Mustafar from the film entirely. I guess Williams liked what he originally wrote for Kylo's flight to Exegol and the fight he had with the Vader faithful so wanted it on the OST album. So one possibility for track 2 is 0:00-0:51 is the original music for his flight there, replaced in the film with music tracked in from an alternate take of Rey's flight there. And then 0:51-end is the original music for the battle Kylo had with the Vader faithful, since that's what music still scores in the final cut, with Mustafar now restored. Except the part from 1:56-2:13, which certainly seems to be Vader's Castle, potentially an insert that replaced a portion of the fight, like perhaps if he looks up and realizes he's close Vader's place and an establishing shot of it is scored by that powerful rendition of the theme. Or maybe only 0:51-1:56 is for the fight, and 1:56-end is all Vader's Castle, but only a small portion of it was tracked into the fleet reveal scene. Basically it's impossible to edit tracks 1 & 2 into a chronological order, since track 2 seems to contain music for Kylo's flight to Exegol yet track 1 contains a replacement cue for him arriving there when Mustafar was dropped from the film. So you have to remove one or the other from a main playlist and move one to a bonus track to maintain some semblance of strict chronology CGCJ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,373 Posted April 13, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2020 Basically, it's like this Early version of the the film: 1M01 Main Title, per OST track 1 cues we don't have for the pan down from the stars and establishing shot of Ajon Klass, unknown setup that goes from Leia reminiscing to the Luke/Leia lightsaber training flashback, potentially unknown scene with Leia and Rey after that (?) 1M05 Rey Trains for Rey's training 1M06 Ren's Entrance for any/all of these potential scenes: Kylo first shown on Mustafar, Kylo fighting the Vader faithful, Kylo talking to the Oracle, Kylo getting the Wayfinder (Kylo fighting the faithful could be the music we have in the middle of OST track 2) cue for Kylo traveling to Exegol using the Wayfinder, which is potentially the music we have that opens OST track 2 1M08 Approaching The Nursery, for Kylo talking to the Emperor without a fleet reveal, which we have in edited form in OST track 1 2M01 Cockpit Dialog for the big Falcon chase scene Nov 11 cut 1M01 Main Title, per OST track 1 [new cue] 1M022 The Ninth Beginning for the pan down from the stars and establishing shot of Exegol, with Kylo arriving there, walking from his ship towards the Emperor's temple with his lightsaber drawn, per OST track 1 1M08 Approaching The Nursery, for the beginning of Kylo talking to the Emperor, per OST track 1 [tracked new cue] 1M15 Vader's Castle tracked in for the shots of the Fleet rising [tracked] 8M04 Psalm of the Sith tracked in for the end of the Kylo/Emperor conversation [new cue] 1M24 Meditation for Rey meditating 1M09 Rey Wakes Up for Rey coming down from meditation [new cue] 1M20 Rey Training for the bulk of her training 1M05 Rey Trains for the end of her training [tracked] 9 seconds of 2M03 The Wisdom of Maz tracked in [new cue] 1M13 Tell Me What They Are for Rey talking to Leia after the training [new cue] 1M26 Lightspeed Skipping for the big Falcon chase scene Final cut 1M01 Main Title, per OST track 1 [tracked] 1M1A Starry Night from Episode 7 for the pan down from the stars and establishing shot of Mustafar (FYC Prologue 0:00-008) tracked music for transition from establishing shot to first shot of Ren (FYC Prologue 0:08-0:56) cue for Kylo fighting the Vader faithful and then getting the Wayfinder, from the second half of OST track 2 (FYC Prologue 0:56-1:28) tracked in from 6M13 Rey's Trip To P for Kylo flying to Exegol (FYC Prologue 1:28-1:37) 1M022 The Ninth Beginning segment for walking from his ship towards the Emperor's temple with his lightsaber drawn, as in the Nov 11 cut (FYC Prologue 1:37-end) tracked 5M06 Hard To Get Rid Of to end Kylo's arriving A hodgepodge of {19 seconds of 1M08 Approaching The Nursery / 9 seconds of unknown music / 13 seconds of 1M08 Approaching The Nursery / 12 seconds of an unknown cue / 10 seconds of no audible music / 7 seconds of an unknown cue} for the beginning of the Kylo/Emperor conversation [tracked] 1M15 Vader's Castle tracked in for the shots of the Fleet rising, like the Nov 11 cut [tracked] 16 seconds of 5M08 Geneology and 13 seconds of 6M07 Stop and Start tracked in for the end of the Kylo/Emperor conversation (FYC Falcon Flight) 1M26 Lightspeed Skipping for the big Falcon chase scene, potentially with [new cue] 1M14 Falcon's Last Flight insert replacing a portion of it 1M24 Meditation for Rey meditating, like the Nov 11 cut 1M09 Rey Wakes Up for Rey coming down from meditation, like the Nov 11 cut 1M20 Rey Training for Rey training, like the Nov 11 cut 1M13 Tell Me What They Are for Rey talking to Leia after the training, like the Nov 11 cut (no way to tell if if 9 seconds of this music is 2M03 The Wisdom of Maz tracked in like the Nov 11 cut) crumbs, CGCJ, Edmilson and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JohnnyD 1,223 Posted April 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2020 Jay, I should correct you on one thing. There is no alternate take of Rey Arrives On Exegol. The section tracked into Kylo Ren's flight to Exegol is NOT an alternate take, but the final part of the same cue. I put the complete cue a few posts above this one; you should take a listen. It is quite illuminating. Manakin Skywalker, Will, shad79 and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 917 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 So Rey's journey to Exegol was longer at some stage too. Listening to Journey to Exegol, I think you might be right on its order. If this score ever gets an expanded treatment in an official capacity, it's going to be interesting to see how it comes out. What the heck was Abrams thinking with this editing? Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 It wasn't Abrams, it was his editor doing what any good film/media high school student does and edit any old piece of music in to hide the edits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 917 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Abrams would have approved that, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, Giftheck said: Abrams would have approved that, though. I don't think he cared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bofur01 245 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Are we sure Approaching the Nursery is for a Palpating scene, rather than when Kylo was supposed to talk to the oracle (baby’s head with the tentacle thing on top)? The title and creepy foreboding fit perfectly with the former, IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 God I can’t wait for an expanded release of this score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 917 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Bofur01 said: Are we sure Approaching the Nursery is for a Palpating scene, rather than when Kylo was supposed to talk to the oracle (baby’s head with the tentacle thing on top)? The title and creepy foreboding fit perfectly with the former, IMO Why would it contain iterations of Palpatine's themes if it were just the Oracle scene? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 57 minutes ago, Alex said: God I can’t wait for an expanded release of this score. You'll be waiting another forty years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share Posted April 13, 2020 I am 100% sure it's only Kylo/Palpatine music and nothing else. I couldn't tell you what JW saw in the previz that made him think of a nursery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 917 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Maybe the clone tanks and attendants? Arpy and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bofur01 245 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 18 minutes ago, Giftheck said: Why would it contain iterations of Palpatine's themes if it were just the Oracle scene? Because... they talk about Palpatine a lot in the Oracle scene? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 917 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 As far as I know, that scene was the Oracle simply stating that Ren had killed the Vader Cult and that he was worthy of the Wayfinder, or something. Williams would surely have underscored that with Vader's Theme instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bofur01 245 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Ah damn, I was sure I’d heard an audio recreation of the scene from the novelisation on YouTube or something, but I couldn’t find it. I thought the Oracle also spoke of Palpatine being on Exegol and similar things, but I’m probably wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share Posted April 13, 2020 I don't think Kylo had any clue what he was going to find in Exegol until he got there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 The crawl says Palpatine broadcasted his return, and that Kylo is seeking to destroy those who question his power, so I guess it's reasonable to assume he knew he would find something dark on Exegol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Approaching the Nursery was definitely written for the Emperor/Ren meeting (and I don't believe that was the original cue title, either). As Jay speculated, it's likely something else existed in the version Williams saw, potentially a room full of tanks with failed clone Palpatines (think Alien Resurrection and the failed Ripley clones, just replaced with Snoke clones in the final cut). There's about 15 seconds of missing footage in the final cut between the two fragments of music used from OST track 1, right after the shot with the Snoke tanks... so there's your hint. Early leaks also indicated Kylo's first visit to Palpatine was more ambiguous in earlier versions of the film, with a decrepit old man on his deathbed being tended to by minders. It was originally unclear if this was Palpatine, which would only be revealed later in the story. We can all speculate why this was abandoned but Disney's marketing strategy seems the likely explanation. So there's several reasons Williams used 'nursery' in the cue title. Either a loose interpretation of the word's definition (a place where plants and trees are grown) or the location being both a cloning facility and nursing ward to revive Palpatine to full health, so it makes sense as a cue title. 9 minutes ago, Arpy said: The crawl says Palpatine broadcasted his return, and that Kylo is seeking to destroy those who question his power, so I guess it's reasonable to assume he knew he would find something dark on Exegol. I think this was a very, very late addition. It makes almost zero sense in the logic of the film (which there is almost none -- but this specific element comes across as an idea cooked up late in post by some moron in marketing, complete with that idiotic cross-promotion in Fortnite of all things). Holko and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share Posted April 13, 2020 Right, I doubt Palpatine was mentioned in the earlier crawls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Bofur01 said: Ah damn, I was sure I’d heard an audio recreation of the scene from the novelisation on YouTube or something, but I couldn’t find it. I thought the Oracle also spoke of Palpatine being on Exegol and similar things, but I’m probably wrong Might have been a clip from the audiobook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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