Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 21, 2019 Saw the movie! It's really not very good, but it's all so weightless and inconsequential, I couldn't hate it. I left in a good mood, oddly enough. And the kids in the theater seemed to really enjoy it. It's too bad, I thought TFA and TLJ were both very good. But I'm still kind of excited about the future of Star Wars! The Mandalorian is great! Chen G., Kasey Kockroach and Arpy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post John 2,032 Posted December 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 21, 2019 19 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Excellent and meaningful scene. Yep, nothing embodies the spirit of Superman better than a montage of a sullen alien “rescuing” people while brooding music plays and he looks miserable while doing so. Thanks Snyder! TSMefford, rough cut, gkgyver and 3 others 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 21, 2019 I love Babu Frik, though. Very funny and cute in a non-cloying way. Will, mstrox and Arpy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 BvS was also horrible. It was only made because of Snyder's obsession with Frank Miller's classic graphic novel The Dark Knight Returns, probably because it provided him the opportunity of showing an older, grisly, violent, darker and murderer Batman. If the morons actually wanted to build a MCU-like franchise with DC characters, they should've made not Batman v Superman, but rather Batman AND Superman. Or, if they want to keep up with The Dark Knight/Man of Steel, maybe The World's Finest. Just think about it: Batman is investigating some criminal scheme by the famous billionaire Lex Luthor, beloved by the media and the audiences (in this version, he could be an Elon Musk or Tim Cook style of billionaire). Superman is investigating it too, with his journalist persona Clark Kent. They bump into each other, and there's initially distrust between the two heroes - Bruce because of the Battle of Metropolis, and Clark because of Bats' violent methods (like on the actual movie). But they leave their differents aside and work together to thwart Lex' plan. Maybe he can be building his own army of super-heroes with the help of the American goverment to replace Superman (who they don't trust), with supers they can put under their control. This actually happens on DC's comics and TV shows, the Project Cadmus. After a battle on which the two heroes team up with Wonder Woman to defeat the Cadmus fake supers, Lex is put in jail and the goverment agrees to work with the newly formed trinity. However, a research on Lexcorp's database shows that, to develop Cadmus, Lex was using alien tech... From the planet Apokolips, home of the legendary warlord Darkside. Knowing that, for their upcoming battle with Darkseid's forces, they'll need more help, the trinity starts requesting help from Earth's greatest super-heroes. Then, a montage showing Aquaman, Flash, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, Hawkman and Hawkwoman going to the new formed Hall of Justice. End Credits. So much better than trying to stuff Miller's TDKR, Death of Superman and all of Snyder's edgelord nonsense inside one movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 22, 2019 My non-spoiler review: Dude what the _fuck_ was this movie? Holko, gkgyver, SteveMc and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 22, 2019 This movie has received a B+ CinemaScore, the lowest of any Star Wars movie, including the prequels. https://www.cinemascore.com/ Edmilson, Tydirium and Will 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Yes, but silly films like Playmobil: The Movie and Jumanji: The Next Level are scored higher. Says nothing about the quality of the films, but the audience receptivity. When the prequels were released, audiences loved them, they were popular despite the issues and flaws they had. Nowadays, Star Wars has been tainted by two things: A saturation of the market with multiple Star Wars projects, and the divisive nature of The Last Jedi. It's not special anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Seems like someone isn't coming back for The Mandalorian Season 2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Well he’s the worst part of the show thus far so there’s that. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 If there was any doubt about it, now it's pretty much guaranteed that TROS will have a lower opening weekend than the other two ST movies. The movie had an opening day on US of $90m, which is decent (second best opening day of 2019, aside only from Endgame's record setting $158m, and sixth best of all time) , but still below TFA's $119m and TLJ's $104m. For the opening weekend, analysts are predicting an opening between $185m and $195m, again, below the other two movies (TFA opened with $248m and TLJ with $220m). And, if TROS somehow opens below $190m, it'll have a lower opening weekend than Age of Ultron and The Lion King remake (both with $191m). Imagining an opening of $190m and a post-opening performance like TLJ, the movie will end its career with $535m, below 2019's TLK, far behind TLJ ($620m) and, the worst part, about the same as Rogue One, which would make everything even more humiliating. These are huge numbers, of course, and the movie will take its place among the biggest opening weekends and final (non adjusted) box office numbers of all time. But still, when compared to the previous two movies and considering the reviews and audience's response, it'll be, well... very disappointing. The Mouse is merciless, and does not forgive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 On 12/21/2019 at 9:20 PM, Edmilson said: Seems like someone isn't coming back for The Mandalorian Season 2: I can think of another reason! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 20 hours ago, Arpy said: Yes, but silly films like Playmobil: The Movie and Jumanji: The Next Level are scored higher. Says nothing about the quality of the films, but the audience receptivity. Both of these films achieved what they set out to do. Rise Of Skywalker didn't set out to shit on Star Wars, but it did. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 On 12/22/2019 at 5:02 AM, Edmilson said: For the opening weekend, analysts are predicting an opening between $185m and $195m Box Office: ‘Rise of Skywalker’ Soars to $176 Million (though the 380 Mio. globally should make Disney happy) Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 And Star Wars made... I dunno, three hundred and somethin'. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,533 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 On 12/22/2019 at 1:19 AM, SteveMc said: The best gif, ever SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 7 hours ago, publicist said: Box Office: ‘Rise of Skywalker’ Soars to $176 Million (though the 380 Mio. globally should make Disney happy) It had a smaller opening weekend on North America than Captain America: Civil War, all four Avengers movies, The Lion King remake and even Incredibles 2 (all Disney, but anyway). Adjusted for inflation, it probably took even less people to theaters this weekend than 2017 Beauty and the Beast. Worldwide, its opening was not only far behind the other 2 ST movies, but also behind even Captain Marvel, Batman v Superman and Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - Part 2, the latter of which came out in 2011, when ticket prices were smaller than today. Paraphrasing Thanos: "Fun isn't something one considers when watching Star Wars movies underperform. But this... does bring a smile to my face". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 So you think Disney will take a big loss now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Nope, they're ready to push their fifty million other shows on Disney +. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, publicist said: So you think Disney will take a big loss now? Oh, yeah, sure, TROS will make them loose more money than Tomorrowland, John Carter and A Wrinkle in Time combined, what a bomb... Read my post again and see that I wrote "underperform" and not "bomb". There's a difference between them. One example, Batman v Superman underperformed. It made WB about $100m in profit according to Deadline, but still fell short of the billion mark, had terrible reviews and a divisive audience response. Justice League, on the other hand, outright bombed, because the movie made WB loose tons of money - some sources say over $300m. On TROS' case, the movie is not going to be a bomb, it'll certainly be over the $1b mark and will generate some profit for Disney. It'll probably be their third biggest movie of the year, behind Endgame and TLK. But, see, when you go from opening with record-setting $248m on US/$530m worldwide to (still excellent) $220m US/$450M worldwide to $176m US/380m WW, and combining it with Solo's terrible performance (it was utterly ignored overseas and made less on the US than A Star is Born and Ant-Man and the Wasp), well... it does indicate some growing disinterest with SW movies on theaters, which can create a bigger problem not for TROS by itself, but for next movies. Remember: DC went from BvS snatching one of the biggest opening weekends worldwide of all time to JL being a humiliating failure. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 What to do?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 On SW's case? I guess maybe let the brand rest for a while. Let people miss Star Wars, the adventures on the galaxy, the lightsaber fights, the space battles, the interesting new planets and alien species, the iconic characters... Just let it take a break for a while. After all, despite ROTJ's reception, when TPM came out 16 years later there was enourmous hype surrounding the movie, which made almost $1b (second biggest movie of all time after Titanic at the time). The same thing on the 10 year interval between the prequels and the Disney era. The best thing for SW to do right now is to stay away from theaters for a while, keeping the brand alive through the TV shows, comics and games. Then, on 2029, the saga makes its glorious return to the big screen. Disney will survive until then, they have the MCU, Pixar, countless Avatar sequels and a lot of animated classic they have yet to make live action remakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Pardon me from quoting myself, but it's a censored version of what I posted on the other threads! Quote That’s not a perfect movie, but it ends The Skywalker Saga very well. TLJ was so empty that they had really just one last movie to end the saga properly according to Lucas’s vision. What a race, even if there are some futile details here and there! My god, TLJ prepared us so badly for this movie... So if I have just one advice... go with spoilers before going to theater! Or make a quick visit to Wookiepedia... Read Plagueis, Sidious, Rey and Kylo Ren's articles. The Jedi, the Sith... that's not so easy to understand after all! Some parts of the movie go so fast that knowing in advance, a little bit, what's going on will help you to understand. I swear! Merry X mas group! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 8 hours ago, Edmilson said: Let people miss Star Wars, the adventures on the galaxy, the lightsaber fights, the space battles, the interesting new planets and alien species, the iconic characters... Just let it take a break for a while. Or maybe just let it die? Kill it, if you have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted December 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2019 36 minutes ago, Bespin said: My god, TLJ prepared us so badly for this movie... So if I have just one advice... go with spoilers before going to theater! Or make a quick visit to Wookiepedia... Read Plagueis, Sidious, Rey and Kylo Ren's articles. The Jedi, the Sith... that's not so easy to understand after all! One should not have to read the plot of a film to understand it before seeing it. That is not the fault of TLJ, that is the sole responsibility of the film in question. The trajectory that TLJ left was simple: Rey is the last Jedi and Kylo Ren is the Supreme Leader. The resistance is in tatters, seemingly alone in the galaxy but for a spark of hope left by the legendary Luke Skywalker’s final sacrifice. How will the war be won? We didn’t need MacGuffin daggers, revived Emperors, questionable kisses and ten thousand planet-destroying starships to answer that question. Simplicity does not equal empty. Chen G., Romão and Bofur01 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 The basic issue is that, if Kylo is the Supreme Leader and therefore the main antagonist of the piece, he cannot undergo a morally-questionable-but-fan-satiating redemption arc. A genuine sequel to The Last Jedi would have seen Ren imprisoned, killed or otherwise dying as a villain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Reviving the Emperor was the only option for this new trilogy. I predicted it before TFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, Chen G. said: The basic issue is that, if Kylo is the Supreme Leader and therefore the main antagonist of the piece, he cannot undergo a morally-questionable-but-fan-satiating redemption arc. A genuine sequel to The Last Jedi would have seen Ren imprisoned, killed or otherwise dying as a villain. And there wouldn't be absolutely any problem with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 13 minutes ago, Chen G. said: The basic issue is that, if Kylo is the Supreme Leader and therefore the main antagonist of the piece, he cannot undergo a morally-questionable-but-fan-satiating redemption arc. A genuine sequel to The Last Jedi would have seen Ren imprisoned, killed or otherwise dying as a villain. I could still buy some kind of final understanding on Ren’s part, perhaps some kind of revelation of the suffering and pain that dynastic wars cause the common people. But no single gesture could ever outweigh the murder of billions of innocent people that he was complicit in. Actually the whole film should’ve been about how damaging bloodlines and dynasties are, and how much pointless bloodshed results from it. But Game of Thrones did that with Daenerys and look how the fans reacted to that. 🤷♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 It’s fun how this plenty of « Star Trek fans » forum don’t understand Star Wars. Shut the fuck up you dumb Trekkies! 🙅♀️ gkgyver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Bespin said: It’s fun how this plenty of « Star Trek fans » forum don’t understand Star Wars. Shut the fuck up you dumb Trekkies! 🙅♀️ Reported to the moderators. You really wanna continue with this game of calling everyone who has an opinion with you a dumb fuck? Might I suggest you get back on your medication? Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Where did the fun has gone??? 😝 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Not in Champagne, thats for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 24, 2019 Author Share Posted December 24, 2019 Seriously Bespin, let's discuss entertainment without insulting other members who feel differently than you do. Be civil or don't say anything at all! Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 I don’t even know why I’m answering you Steef, you’re on my ignore list! Anyway, merry Christmas! 😘 #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 French Canadians are such difficult people. The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fancyarcher 350 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 I enjoyed this, probably more then most, but I still had a lot of issues, particularly with how they handled The Last Jedi stuff. I also thought that Palpatine's return thematically didn't make as much sense as it could have. I will say that the last scene got to me, it helps that most of the performances were pretty good, and John Williams's score was fantastic as ever, but it's clear that they should have had properly plotted out this trilogy from the start. In the long run, it really felt all disconnected. 1977 and John 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Rewatched today and did a live text commentary on Discord. I might mine that to form more coherent thoughts but I have the perfect word to mold that all into: bleh. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted March 18, 2020 Author Share Posted March 18, 2020 For now the entire 3 hour making of documentary is on youtube Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theMaestraX 106 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Hmm did you dodge a crazy bullet J.J, more like a ricocheted one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chen G. 3,949 Posted March 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2020 I'm getting really fed up with the "its the end of nine movies" rhetoric, which gets rehearsed quite a lot in this documentary. Having seen The Rise of Skywalker, its not that they didn't try to live up to that rhetoric, but at the end of the day it was always doomed as an enterprise. Return of the Jedi always was, and always will be, the true end of the "Skywalker saga." These last three films were only made because the producers could have made them; and clearly there got so preoccupied with whether or not they could... Its funny how people just now rile up that this film negates Vader's sacrifice, when in fact The Force Awakens did it all the same. Will, Pieter Boelen, _deleted_ and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,364 Posted March 24, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 24, 2020 I know this video has already been posted in other threads, but this really is a nice summation of everything wrong with the film Henry Sítrónu, _deleted_ and Pieter Boelen 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_deleted_ 203 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Looking back, I think a lot people were happy that there was some connection between female characters in TFA. You don't see a lot of that in the previous six. The scene with Rey and Maz was genuinely moving. https://youtu.be/1N-ORTaJM3o?t=182 The music, the mood & Ridley's performance were all perfect. It's a shame that since VII, whenever Rey is with a female character, she or the other character just dumps info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted March 25, 2020 Author Share Posted March 25, 2020 After introducing a wonderful new trio of hero characters in episode 7 the writers of the two followup films ended up having no idea what to do with them and worse, seemed to actively reboot their dreams and motivations between each film Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,526 Posted March 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 25, 2020 Except TLJ picks up perfectly where TFA left them (maybe except for Poe who was a named extra personality-wise) and challenges them, making them change and grow. Then 9 flicks a randomiser switch and craps all over them. Smaug The Iron, Pieter Boelen, Bayesian and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 18 minutes ago, Holko said: Except TLJ picks up perfectly where TFA left them [...] and challenges them, making them change and grow. and gives us the stupid "is Rey going to go evil and join Kylo Ren?" tease that gave JJ Abrams license to go that route with The Rise of Skywalker. Rey going evil and Kylo going good should never have been a thing in the course of this trilogy, even just as a misdirect. Rey is a quintessentially good person in The Force Awakens: she's not going to turn evil in the sequels just 'cause; and Kylo is a bad person. He's not gonna become good just because he's appearantly a mamma's boy. Bayesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bellosh 3,419 Posted March 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 25, 2020 27 minutes ago, Holko said: Except TLJ picks up perfectly where TFA left them (maybe except for Poe who was a named extra personality-wise) and challenges them, making them change and grow. Then 9 flicks a randomiser switch and craps all over them. Agreed and it always bugged me when people think it was Rian that ruined Luke Skywalker. JJ is the one that put him on a remote planet. And Rian handled it perfectly. Did everyone think he's in hiding because he's happy?!? He dealt with Luke's nihilism the way one would expect when given that decision made in TFA. He also honored him, giving him maybe the best redemption/death in the saga. TLJ is really the only one of these new trilogy movies that tried something new. Sad it got so much unwarranted backlash from "fans." Outrage culture. Holko, Pieter Boelen, The Illustrious Jerry and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Yeah, I never got why people got angry at the handling of Luke. Him being on self-imposed exile was promised to us in The Force Awakens, and Johnson followed up on that promise. I do think maybe his death should have been in Episode IX, though. But the movie also teases a lot of stuff that's too stupid even just as a misdirect: "is Rey going to go evil?" - no, of course she's not; "is Kylo going to turn good?" - most certainly not; "who are Rey's parents?" - who cares?!; "has Luke secretly gone bad?", etc... Plus, it would have been much more powerful if the conclusion of the film was that the Jedi should indeed end. Bellosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 It would've been more interesting had Rey turned to the Dark Side and have that conflict within her, whilst Ben was the true Skywalker who wrestled with that and overcame it, and it was his duty to sway Rey from that evil. RJ even hinted at Rey's powers and how easily she went to the darkness. The problem is, neither TLJ or TRoS couldn't explore those more interesting nuggets of character development for sake of time and the constraints of making a Star Wars movie that wouldn't piss off its fan base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 5 hours ago, Arpy said: RJ even hinted at Rey's powers and how easily she went to the darkness. In an abstract sequence where her attention is drawn to a black pore. I'm going to need much, much more than that to buy into the idea that a good-natured character is going to go evil. If you're going to go that route, you need to set it up clearly in the first film of your trilogy, and you need to ground it in something more tangiable than "blah blah dark side." Its a dumb idea, and in The Rise of Skywalker Daisy Ridley (who's otherwise great in the role) is clearly at a loss in how to play it. Her solution to Rey's supposedly growing dark impulses is to put on a deer-in-the-headlamps look over and over again, and gets old pretty quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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