Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, karelm said: He really let it breathe at the end of Jurassic Park I thought. It was very weighty and really hit the breaks in a climactic way. Agreed, but some of the phrases earlier could have a bit more air between them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 I loved the flighty rendition of Harry's Wondrous World. Pre-ordered the CD, for some reason the UK is only getting it on March 29. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lairdo 726 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 On 15/03/2019 at 1:13 AM, lairdo said: HDTracks.com - no link yet, but it's in their email blast with a discount code for March 15 and recent releases. Presumably this will be live shortly or in the morning. Strangely, I still cannot find this on HDTracks. I've posted to their FB group to see if they can shed light on why. It's in their email blast from yesterday with new releases. On 15/03/2019 at 12:35 PM, bollemanneke said: I loved the flighty rendition of Harry's Wondrous World. Pre-ordered the CD, for some reason the UK is only getting it on March 29. The CD set is March 29 worldwide. They dropped the digital versions today, so the release is split. I think the CDs were planned for today too, but I guess something happened to delay that 2 weeks. I'm glad they kept the digital date. My favorite track so far is the Jaws Out to Sea and Shark Cage Fugue as the instruments really seem to pop out of the recording. That being said, I'm taking it slow and haven't even listened to Indiana Jones stuff yet! On 15/03/2019 at 1:13 AM, lairdo said: Hi Res ProStudio Masters: https://www.prostudiomasters.com/album/page/31214 Presto Records (euros and also sells to US purchasers): https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8607317--celebrating-john-williams Note, Presto says they are releasing with the digital booklet. ProStudio does not seem to include that. Well, a got a nice surprise. I just received an email (below) from ProStudio Masters apologizing that my order did not include the Digital Booklet. They emailed me the PDF directly, and I see their website now shows it included. Not sure if they saw this thread or just caught their own error. I've updated my original post. "Hi Laird, It has come to our attention that a recently placed order did not include a digital booklet for "Celebrating John Williams". To rectify this, we are sending it directly as an attachment to this message. Our apologies for any inconvenience. Best regards," Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locrius 97 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 9 hours ago, bollemanneke said: The sound is great, but aren't the trumpets making mistakes in ET, in the triads? They keep playing a major chord while it should be minor. Didn't notice that, but I noticed a potential French horn wrong note at 1:01? EDIT: Never mind, just found out it's that way in a lot of re-recordings. Could be a misprint or just a different edition than the version JW recorded with the Pops. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 They should get a proper American horn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,482 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Wow that Throne Room is wow! Wow! karelm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ricard 2,245 Posted March 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 15, 2019 So apparently the full concert was recorded on video: Nick Parker, Jurassic Shark, SteveMc and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted March 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 15, 2019 That quite a short concert! ricsim88, Will, Dr. Rick and 3 others 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricsim88 244 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Short but good! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,913 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 4 hours ago, Locrius said: Didn't notice that, but I noticed a potential French horn wrong note at 1:01? EDIT: Never mind, just found out it's that way in a lot of re-recordings. Could be a misprint or just a different edition than the version JW recorded with the Pops. A lot of the suites have evolved. Close Encounters was way different with the pops recording than the Hal Leonard "signature". He tinkers with these quite a bit and they change frequently. Often in ways we don't even notice. I was at this concert and absolutely loved it! It's so great to revisit it. Yes, my home sonics are no match for Disney Hall but hearing this certainly brings me back with all the wonderful memories including seeing The Maestro hear his music in concert. Damn, that ending of Jaws! 😲 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 907 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 I knew Scherzo for Motorcycle and Orchestra had been revised since last recorded, but that ending was a complete surprise! Got my tickets to tomorrow's Seoul concert. Curious to see if it's the exact same program. It probably will be, but I'd love to hear Adventures of Han and The Rebellion Reborn And Han Solo and the Princess.... and about 100 others. And Sunday is St Patrick's Day, so a little Far and Away wouldn't hurt. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,482 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 I’m not sure about this new Scherzo. Why things always have to change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Know 326 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 7 hours ago, lairdo said: My favorite track so far is the Jaws Out to Sea and Shark Cage Fugue as the instruments really seem to pop out of the recording. That being said, I'm taking it slow and haven't even listened to Indiana Jones stuff yet! Wow, you're right about "Out to Sea" -- the performance and recording are off-the-charts stunning. lairdo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lairdo 726 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 8 hours ago, lairdo said: Strangely, I still cannot find this on HDTracks. I've posted to their FB group to see if they can shed light on why. It's in their email blast from yesterday with new releases. HDTracks is showing the album now, including the PDF booklet. http://www.hdtracks.com/catalog/product/view/id/764864/s/celebrating-john-williams-live-at-walt-disney-concert-hall-los-angeles-2019/category/154/ I've updated my original post too. 2 hours ago, Bespin said: I’m not sure about this new Scherzo. Yeah, I need to process this cue a bit. It's not just minimally different - which is fine. It's just sort of a surprise as my brain expects certain notes and then those don't follow. Marion's Theme however is really lush and enjoyable. I suspect a number of the players from the LA Phil were at the Royce Hall sessions with Williams and Spielberg. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post artguy360 1,843 Posted March 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2019 Wow! The ending notes of Jurassic Park are absolutely pounding. What an interesting interpretation. Mattris, Amer and Jurassic Shark 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 The performance is incredible. Really makes these probably all-too-familiar pieces just soar. I love the revised Scherzo Amer and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,109 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Good to know that the revised Scherzo is included this time! I hope the full concert is issued on video this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 15 hours ago, TownerFan said: These are superb performances. I love how Dudamel conducts the music of Williams, with reverence and sincere joy. He seems to understand what makes JW music great, he's able to bring out so many great colours even from the most worn-out pieces like the Imperial March. Imho, this will be a reference recording for many years. Completely agree. This cd contains some of my favorite performances ever of several pieces Nick Parker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 what's with the barely audible instrument 8 seconds into the JP theme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Woods 555 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 The recording is... strange. I find that the reverb of the concert hall eliminates some of the finer details in the performances. There are some instruments that are just drowned out in the sound. The balance is a bit off, especially with the snare. In The Raiders March, for instance, it sounds like the snare is tightly recorded while the rest of the orchestra has a more distant sound to it. And maybe it's my love for those early Kunzel/Telarc recordings (or Gerhardt's Classic Film Series) that I hold as the benchmark for re-recorded compilation albums, which is the reason why this one really isn't doing it for me. Ironically, this album is a lot like the newer Kunzel recordings; a bit muddy, lacking detail and reverb-heavy. I also feel this needed way more stereo separation in the mastering. Also, the newly arranged Scherzo For Motorcycle and Orchestra is not very good. Not sure why Williams felt the need to fart around with his already wonderfully arranged suite, which he recorded with the Boston Pops. The new finale, with yet ANOTHER false ending, just doesn't work. Not a fan of the Adagio from The Force Awakens. It's rather aimless, anonymous and unmemorable. There some good energy from the orchestra and lively conducting, which is something we have come to expect with Dudamel. A very passionate guy who sincerely loves Williams music. So this one is hit and miss for me. I very much prefer the more interesting Lockhart/Boston Pops album and will stick with some of my older re-recorded favorites of Williams' works. -Erik- 🎧 - Star Tracks - Erich Kunzel and the Cincinnati Pops. Aaaaaah, much better! 😜 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 I think The Throne Room sounds good Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 7 hours ago, Bespin said: I’m not sure about this new Scherzo. I love it! 7 hours ago, Bespin said: Why things always have to change? It's called life, Bes. 4 hours ago, Erik Woods said: Ironically, this album is a lot like the newer Kunzel recordings; a bit muddy, lacking detail and reverb-heavy. I also feel this needed way more stereo separation in the mastering. Would you label the Kunzel Spielberg album as one of his newer recordings? I've always found that to have an opaque orchestral sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bryant Burnette 654 Posted March 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2019 I wish "Soundings" was on this set. Will, Erik Woods and justaguy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Highlights for me were Out to Sea and Scherzo for Motorcycles and Orchestra. It’s a beautifully recording album. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smaug The Iron 515 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 What are your thoughts about Adagio from The Force Awakens? I thought it was okey but nothing more. I prefer the film version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 yeah, it's one of the few concert versions that's meh Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,482 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 I don't dislike this "Deutsch and Grammophon" reverb. 😁 Well, a thing is sure, with this album, Dudamel adds his name the list of VERY FEW good interprets of John Williams' music. justaguy and ricsim88 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 So far the only track I didn't really like is Flight to Neverland. Something is just... off, I couldn't like the LSO version either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricsim88 244 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Can someone who has the CE3K signature score confirm if it matches the Dudamel recording? Thanks bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Woods 555 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 8 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Would you label the Kunzel Spielberg album as one of his newer recordings? I've always found that to have an opaque orchestral sound. Well, that's a combo of many different recordings... some new at the time and some gathered from other Kunzel albums. But the newer recordings are good, not a good as Kunzel's 80s recordings and not worse than say Vintage Cinema, which sounds dreadful! -Erik- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 I love the organ near the end of Olympic Fanfare and Theme! I'm not entirely convinced by the keyboard player on Hedwig's theme. His solo passage starting at 2:00 is too uneven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 907 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Promo video featuring The Raiders March: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingPin 201 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 12 hours ago, ricsim88 said: Can someone who has the CE3K signature score confirm if it matches the Dudamel recording? Thanks Yes, this is the Signature Edition. bollemanneke and ricsim88 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricsim88 244 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, KingPin said: Yes, this is the Signature Edition. Awesome, thanks. I guess I have to get it now. This version is really nice, I’m hearing so many lines that are sometimes buried. It actually happens on many tracks on this release. On Raiders march, I heard a little snare drum roll that I never heard before, it was awesome. Seems like the brass are somewhat distant, definitely not as “in your face” as the LSO versions, but overall I’m liking the clarity. It’s nice to hear details in percussions and harp that are missed on many other recordings. And I’m a trumpet player...but I can appreciate hearing as many of the notes JW wrote. And there’s no doubt about the sincerity of Dudamel and the orchestra in performing those pieces. I definitely heard that “strange” note in the horn in ET, but I haven’t checked with the score yet. My gut feeling tells me it’s wrong and they left it by mistake. But maybe it’s a revision. Overall I’m really liking this release a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pete 907 Posted March 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 17, 2019 I think this is the venue. Looks like a Jawa sandcrawler. Ricard, lairdo, thx99 and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,316 Posted March 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 17, 2019 It kind of looks like Gustavo is about to attack John with the baton there, while John awkwardly smiles but hides sheer terror behind his eyes. Ricard, Chewy, pete and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pete 907 Posted March 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 17, 2019 They were selling the CDs at the stadium. God it’s been a long time since I bought a CD offline.. Loved the concert! Appreciate The Force Awakens Adagio more having seen it performed. Will write more in a couple of days. Jurassic Shark, Will, aviazn and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviazn 273 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 LA Phil killed it in Seoul. I’ve heard nearly all the pieces on the program with JW and the Boston Pops within the last six years or so, and Dudamel and the LA Phil gave by far the better renditions. Sounded great too, especially considering they were playing amplified in a gymnastics arena. 2 minutes ago, pete said: They were selling the CDs at the stadium. God it’s been a long time since I bought a CD offline.. Loved the concert! Appreciate The Force Awakens Adagio more having seen it performed. Will write more in a couple of days. Agreed on the Adagio! Thought there was much more shape to this performance, and I definitely prefer Dudamel’s interpretation to the OST. Will and pete 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Oh wow, Throne Room really does sound splendid. Adagio from TFA is nice. I’m glad we have a good recording of it. So is Scherzo for Motorcycle. I like the new ending, II don’t understand what the fuss is about. Out to Sea is a joy to listen to as well. Pure brilliance. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Really wish he'd squeezed in Window to the Past and Han Solo and the Princess into this, but you can't have everything. That new Hook arrangement would've been great too. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted March 17, 2019 Author Share Posted March 17, 2019 11 hours ago, ricsim88 said: Awesome, thanks. I guess I have to get it now. This version is really nice, I’m hearing so many lines that are sometimes buried. It actually happens on many tracks on this release. On Raiders march, I heard a little snare drum roll that I never heard before, it was awesome. Seems like the brass are somewhat distant, definitely not as “in your face” as the LSO versions, but overall I’m liking the clarity. It’s nice to hear details in percussions and harp that are missed on many other recordings. It’s interesting to note that Dudamel used the “Vienna Philharmonic layout” for the orchestra in this recording. Perhaps this also had a role in giving instruments a different balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricsim88 244 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 35 minutes ago, TownerFan said: It’s interesting to note that Dudamel used the “Vienna Philharmonic layout” for the orchestra in this recording. Perhaps this also had a role in giving instruments a different balance. This would definitely create a different blend for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,658 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Why, oh why, did they remove the thick, delicious, brass chords from the beginning of the Olympic theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 There were just too many notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pete 907 Posted March 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 17, 2019 I saw Williams in London in 1998 - all four nights and the open rehearsal. I thought that was my one and only chance for a Williams concert experience being from Australia and now living in Korea. I also thought that a Williams concert without the man himself would pale in comparison to a concert with him. Sure, there's something extra magical about seeing him conduct his own music either for a full concert, a couple of pieces, or just being present. I have to say that although I would have loved it if Williams had been there, the concert was just as enjoyable and memorable for me as the London concerts. Except for one horrible issue that affected just the area I was sitting in - the staff let a continuous stream of late arrivals in to the most expensive area from the quiet moments of Close Encounters through to Harry's Wondrous World, and I could hear the footsteps of the female ushers who were wearing highish heels and walking on concrete. They seemed to do a lot of unnecessary walking. A couple of times I could hear ushers speak into their headsets. It really took me out of the moment not once, not twice, and not thrice. if I had been sitting five or six seats to the left, I might not have noticed. I was xxxxing pissed. I was tempted to throw something not too heavy at them - my bottle of water came to mind, but I behaved. A few people including myself spoke to the ushers about it at intermission. They apologized and said there were traffic jams. It's Seoul, there are always traffic jams. That's what the subway is for. Oh well, it was a stadium and not a concert hall. And actually I was annoyed at myself for getting so annoyed. Thankfully, all was quiet for Schindler's List, and after intermission, as promised, there were no more high-heel walking and talking ushers and no more streams of late arrivals. Probably because everyone had arrived by then. Having said all that, the ushers probably would have been assaulted had they not let all those people in. Anyway, that was just bad luck to be sitting next to that walkway - and our seats weren't the cheapest. Second most expensive if memory serves. Back to more positive experiences. From the credits music of "The Throne Room" until the end, the big screen showed a montage of pictures from the scoring sessions from 1977 through to The Last Jedi. That was really quite touching seeing Williams conferring with George in 1977 and still recording Star Wars music in 2017. Was that done at the LA concert? And of course he's written more Star Wars music since The Last Jedi. Prior to that, during the Throne Room music, a montage of scenes from each of the eight films was shown. Perhaps my bias and age is showing, but each scene from the prequel trilogy just made me cringe while footage from the recent two films didn't seem out of place alongside footage from the original trilogy. Each of the last pieces from the franchise suites (Star Wars, Indiana Jones, and Harry Potter) featured footage from their series. I'm more of music fan than a film fan, but I did enjoy those montages. It was nice seeing Daniel Radcliffe change over the course of the eight films. And the two sword fighting moments from Raiders and Temple of Doom were shown back to back. That was nice. Couldn't help but laugh even though I've seen those scenes dozens of times. For the rest of the pieces, the giant screen showed the orchestra and conductor. And it was obviously well planned as whenever someone played prominent parts, they appeared in close-up. By the end, I felt I knew some of the players. And I recognized Thomas Hooten, who was on screen a fair bit and played perfectly all night. I enjoyed watching Dudamel conduct. Full of energy and enthusiasm, and I just couldn't help but smile at a circular movement - ala an Olympic gymnast doing a ribbon routine thing - that he made during the Scherzo for Motorcyle and Orchestra a couple of times. And that new ending sounded more fitting than my first listen a day ago when it took me completely by surprise. At the London concerts, William played neither The Imperial March nor Superman (can't complain about what was played though - well, Sabrina was probably the lowlight, as nice as it is), so it was great to experience those live. And I thought the sound was fantastic. Louder than I was expecting but crystal clear. Schindler's List was just as moving as I remember from the London concerts. Memoirs of a Geisha was just as beautiful. And yes, the Jurassic Park intro was the same as the CD with the second phrase of that opening melody quieter and sounding different. Not sure what he did differently, but the horn player was on screen and I think he was the only one playing. I thought that an odd change. I also would have preferred the main hymn start just with the strings. Horns playing it from the start didn't sound right to me. Small things. As I said earlier, I enjoyed the Adagio more than the few times I had previously listened to it. It was really quite heart-wrenching. Another side note, my date for the night is from North Korea. We haven't talked about her life there, and I'm not even sure how old she was when she defected, but she had seen some of the films and recognized quite a few pieces although she wasn't familiar with the name John Williams. There's definitely at least one new Williams fan in the world. She just told me she wants to see Schindler's List to get some context for the music, which was the highlight for her. I told her it's a great film that's hard to watch in parts. I said that to someone who may have seen real executions in person. Final comment before bed, the concert's title was "Celebrating John Williams". I can't think of a more apt title. And Superman to finish was just amazing. It just seemed to fly by in a few seconds. If Thomas or anyone else from the orchestra are reading this - a big thank you for coming to Seoul! And that's my longest post here and I've been here since the beginning, one year after those London concerts. Surreal to think that in 1998 Williams had only scored three Star Wars films and zero Harry Potter films. Miguel Andrade, Nick Parker, SteveMc and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothless 963 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 On 3/15/2019 at 9:46 PM, Ricard said: So apparently the full concert was recorded on video: WTF this is the best performance I've ever heard! Now I need to buy this CD. SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Simply delicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,913 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 1 hour ago, pete said: And yes, the Jurassic Park intro was the same as the CD with the second phrase of that opening melody quieter and sounding different. Not sure what he did differently, but the horn player was on screen and I think he was the only one playing. I thought that an odd change. I also would have preferred the main hymn start just with the strings. Horns playing it from the start didn't sound right to me. Small things. As I said earlier, I enjoyed the Adagio more than the few times I had previously listened to it. It was really quite heart-wrenching. That's Andrew Bain on horn - a fantastic player (and a fellow Ozzie) and first horn on the sequel trilogy. The first time the phrase is open and the second time the phrase is stopped (his hand is pushed further into the bell) stopping the overtones and you get a more nasily sound. Agree, the strings are exquisite in the Adagio and is a very beautiful piece just hearing it without the movie. Such gorgeous suspensions. ricsim88 and pete 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voltisubito 42 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 On 3/15/2019 at 8:46 PM, Ricard said: So apparently the full concert was recorded on video: Whoops - the editor of that video added in a extra quaver to the final bar (immediately before the final triplet), which is why it sounds out of kilter. Happily it's correct on the streaming/download version of the album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locrius 97 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 So great to finally have a recording of "The Flight to Neverland" where those 2 trumpet eighth-notes at 1:10 are clearly audible! In all the other recordings, it's sort of muddled and tough to hear what exactly is going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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