mrbellamy 6,289 Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 I’m guessing he means subtle like Imperial March in TFA and TLJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post MikeH 768 Posted August 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, Fabulin said: What music would one even use at this point for a 9th Williams-scored Star Wars film? Hopefully something iconic. With punch and songs. Will, mstrox, 1977 and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,207 Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Fabulin said: That song belongs to Star Wars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post artguy360 1,844 Posted August 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 11, 2019 In the cases where we know what music was used for temp, I feel like the most interesting results have come from when non-JW music was used to temp the film instead of using JW SW music to temp a JW-scored SW film. ROTS comes to mind. Will, Docteur Qui, The Illustrious Jerry and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,514 Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 . SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 Every theme? I do hope there will be a lot of new thematic material, as well. TLJ leaned just a bit too much on the established themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,670 Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, SteveMc said: Every theme? I do hope there will be a lot of new thematic material, as well. TLJ leaned just a bit too much on the established themes. I would not take such comments as absolutely literal. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 "135 minutes of music TO WRITE." Can we talk about the linguistic meaning of this? I'm not a native speaker, does this imply he's still got loads to write? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fabulin 3,514 Posted August 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 11, 2019 . mstrox, Chen G., rpvee and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BrotherSound 2,242 Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 18 minutes ago, Tom said: I would not take such comments as absolutely literal. Exactly. What “Every theme you’ve heard” really means here is “every theme I can remember”. In my experience, most musicians, unless they happen to be serious Star Wars or John Williams nerds, only know maybe 5 or 6 themes from the series. He’s not sitting there at the sessions with Frank Lehman’s list of Star Wars motifs and crossing them off one-by-one. Will and Fabulin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,670 Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 34 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: "135 minutes of music TO WRITE." Can we talk about the linguistic meaning of this? I'm not a native speaker, does this imply he's still got loads to write? No, it just means that Williams is anticipating the recording sessions will record around 135 minutes. Based on everything we know (35 minutes by April 15th and such), it is good guess that most has already been written. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,289 Posted August 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Fabulin said: Take a look at this: I don’t really understand what I’m looking at... rpvee, Marian Schedenig, MikeH and 3 others 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeH 768 Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 44 minutes ago, BrotherSound said: In my experience, most musicians, unless they happen to be serious Star Wars or John Williams nerds, only know maybe 5 or 6 themes from the series. He’s not sitting there at the sessions with Frank Lehman’s list of Star Wars motifs and crossing them off one-by-one. Kamino motif or no sale! Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 your supposed to look at "You are Welcome" and wonder if it's the score he wrote for a suitcase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post MikeH 768 Posted August 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 12, 2019 I was born in 1986, the same year Phantom of the Opera premiered in the West End. I first saw it 16 years later in 2002, which is also when Attack of the Clones was released. Now, 17 years later, I will witness Johnny’s final score for a Star War, and it features both the Phantom theme and the Kamino motif. Smeltington, Qui-GON29 and Cerebral Cortex 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Tom said: I would not take such comments as absolutely literal. Obviously. It's just that I hope the score is not all of the relevant leitmotivs playing all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,670 Posted August 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, SteveMc said: Obviously. It's just that I hope the score is not all of the relevant leitmotivs playing all of the time. It will be a mix of old and new, like all Williams's sequel scores. Also, and this is not purely SW-related, youtube brought up this video after I watched the Don Williams SW interview: Some nice insights into Williams the professional. The Illustrious Jerry, SteveMc and rpvee 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeH 768 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 This is another gem: SteveMc and The Illustrious Jerry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 So, did Don pretty much confirm that Yoda is in the film? Williams has used his themes quite literally lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,670 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 12 minutes ago, MikeH said: This is another gem: These are all wonderful. I am glad the SW IX video brought them to our attention. Who knew that Don Williams would be the key to understanding better John Williams the man and professional. I love that John plays some classical piece until bedtime. The man lives and breaths outstanding music. True dedication to a field that most of us can only aspire to. MikeH and The Illustrious Jerry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeH 768 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Indeed. There’s a video called “Does John Williams revise his scores?” where they talk about how he’ll go to JoAnn Kane’s after the movie is completed and see what the players wrote into their parts. Don also talks about how JW structures his days here: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,363 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Tom said: 2 hours ago, Tom said: These are all wonderful. I am glad the SW IX video brought them to our attention. Who knew that Don Williams would be the key to understanding better John Williams the man and professional. I love that John plays some classical piece until bedtime. The man lives and breaths outstanding music. True dedication to a field that most of us can only aspire to. I could not agree more. The man is a living miracle, a national treasure. No one compares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Drew 590 Posted August 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 12, 2019 10 hours ago, BrotherSound said: Exactly. What “Every theme you’ve heard” really means here is “every theme I can remember”. In my experience, most musicians, unless they happen to be serious Star Wars or John Williams nerds, only know maybe 5 or 6 themes from the series. He’s not sitting there at the sessions with Frank Lehman’s list of Star Wars motifs and crossing them off one-by-one. Maybe that's exactly what's going to happen. MikeH, BrotherSound, The Illustrious Jerry and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 11 hours ago, Tom said: Who knew that Don Williams would be the key to understanding better John Williams the man and professional. We had already heart about John's work ethic and strict regime from other sources though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,670 Posted August 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 12, 2019 21 minutes ago, Stefancos said: We had already heart about John's work ethic and strict regime from other sources though. Sure, but did we know he plays classical piano works all evening up until bedtime or quickly fires musicians from recording sessions who are, say, problematic? I think there is some new stuff in these videos. SteveMc, MikeH, Will and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,318 Posted August 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 12, 2019 Yeah, that story about the musician who dropped a mallet (or something) mid-take and wasn't there the next day? Unexpectedly brutal. The anecdote about a concert-master interrupting the violas mid-take because he wasn't happy with their bowing though? Not surprising in the slightest; what a complete tool. I have nothing to do with professional orchestras but even I know the minimum etiquette of attending a John Williams scoring session: sit down, don't talk, don't interact, only observe, unless John himself addresses you. It's definitely fascinating to hear these insights about John, given his publicly calm, warm persona. But, as a master of his craft, I've no doubt he's a strict professional when it comes to his demands of the musicians performing his writings, with the appropriate amount of ruthlessness when necessary. Will, The Illustrious Jerry, Arpy and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 I hope it isn't just a medley of greatest hits. I definitely want new material. I know Williams won't stoop to the level of masturbatory fan service but JJ might and force him to repeat old themes ad nauseam. Then again Disney might think, we made an orgy of fan service with the concluding film in the Infinity saga, why not do the same thing in the Skywalker saga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 42 minutes ago, crumbs said: Yeah, that story about the musician who dropped a mallet (or something) mid-take and wasn't there the next day? Unexpectedly brutal. The anecdote about a concert-master interrupting the violas mid-take because he wasn't happy with their bowing though? Not surprising in the slightest; what a complete tool. I have nothing to do with professional orchestras but even I know the minimum etiquette of attending a John Williams scoring session: sit down, don't talk, don't interact, only observe, unless John himself addresses you. It's definitely fascinating to hear these insights about John, given his publicly calm, warm persona. But, as a master of his craft, I've no doubt he's a strict professional when it comes to his demands of the musicians performing his writings, with the appropriate amount of ruthlessness when necessary. I’ve always wondered about that situation with the concertmaster: it could also have been the orchestra contractor who made the decision to install another concertmaster, while the ’old’ one simply joined the rest of the 1st violins. To simply ‘fire’ somebody after such an incident seems really ruthless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 I bet Sandy DeCrescent is a pitiless, cold-hearted disciplinarian! Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bollemanneke 3,349 Posted August 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 12, 2019 Personally, I don't understand the 'I don't want this or that' attitudes to the score. At this point the only thing I want is for John to finish this score so that we have 9 SW scores and the collection is complete. I don't even care whether it's good, bad, outstanding, average or great, or whether this theme or that motif returns or not. All that matters is that John completes writing it. Ross is an amazing condcutor who made HP2 the vibrant score that it is, so I'd be more than okay with him taking over if it were necessary. Qui-GON29, crumbs, Remco and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MikeH 768 Posted August 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 12, 2019 31 minutes ago, Remco said: I’ve always wondered about that situation with the concertmaster: it could also have been the orchestra contractor who made the decision to install another concertmaster, while the ’old’ one simply joined the rest of the 1st violins. To simply ‘fire’ somebody after such an incident seems really ruthless. John has been described as “an iron fist in a velvet glove”, I’ve no doubt that he’s absolutely calling the shots and the musician in question was completely removed. There’s too much money and too little time to mess around. Might be ruthless but it’s the movies, baby! 😎 I think a lot of people have this image of the kindly old grandfather, but he’s survived in this business for nearly seven decades for a reason. The Illustrious Jerry, Remco, 1977 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Ross will finish the score if Williams can't, but I'm confident John has this one in the bag. I'd say he's spent the majority of his time in Tanglewood smashing out the score so he can record the whole thing in September, leaving Oct/Nov for inserts/rewrites. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,670 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 12 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: Personally, I don't understand the 'I don't want this or that' attitudes to the score. At this point the only thing I want is for John to finish this score so that we have 9 SW scores and the collection is complete. I don't even care whether it's good, bad, outstanding, average or great, or whether this theme or that motif returns or not. All that matters is that John completes writing it. Ross is an amazing condcutor who made HP2 the vibrant score that it is, so I'd be more than okay with him taking over if it were necessary. I agree for the most part. I crave new SW concert pieces, and so I always hope for more. I am sure he will provide at least one. Given the trend of the prequels and sequels, the pattern is to front load the first installment with a full concert suite and then give one piece per successive movie. That being the case, we will likely get only one. However, with the unexpected pieces of AoH and GE, I cannot complain even on this front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 minute ago, crumbs said: Ross will finish the score if Williams can't, but I'm confident John has this one in the bag. I'd say he's spent the majority of his time in Tanglewood smashing out the score so he can record the whole thing in September, leaving Oct/Nov for inserts/rewrites. This is how crumbs becomes his own source for future speculation! 3 months from now you'll post something like "I'm pretty sure I remember reading somewhere that John spent all his time at Tanglewood working on TROS" bollemanneke, Holko, crumbs and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, MikeH said: I think a lot of people have this image of the kindly old grandfather, but he’s survived in this business for nearly seven decades for a reason. Excellent point, you don't get to Williams' position by being a 'kindly old grandfather', as you put it. Even at 87 he has a keen ear for detail and he gets what he wants -- whether a change to Murphy's recording setup between sequels, a change to the roster of brass players that didn't quite cut the mustard, or even a change to MM's mastering on a fresh transfer of a score expansion. 1 minute ago, Disco Stu said: This is how crumbs becomes his own source for future speculation! 3 months from now you'll post something like "I'm pretty sure I remember reading somewhere that John spent all his time at Tanglewood working on TROS" Don't forget another IX speculation poll, posing questions I've already asked ad nauseum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tom said: I agree for the most part. I crave new SW concert pieces, and so I always hope for more. I am sure he will provide at least one. Given the trend of the prequels and sequels, the pattern is to front load the first installment with a full concert suite and then give one piece per successive movie. That being the case, we will likely get only one. However, with the unexpected pieces of AoH and GE, I cannot complain even on this front. I would like to add to that that the TLJ concert arrangements wasn't really great, but then again that movie was anything but great as well. I have enough Star Wars suites, but would hate the thought that he hadn't finished the final score. It would be like Howard Shore not having written Hobbit 3 (granted, that might actually have been a good thing…) 1977 and Evanus 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted August 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 12, 2019 Didn't Williams once politely suggest that one of the child singers on Hook be replaced when they weren't able to play their part? I really hope it's true. Remco, MikeH, crumbs and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MikeH 768 Posted August 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 12, 2019 Just now, crumbs said: Excellent point, you don't get to Williams' position by being a 'kindly old grandfather', as you put it. Even at 87 he has a keen ear for detail and he gets what he wants -- whether a change to Murphy's recording setup between sequels, a change to the roster of brass players that didn't quite cut the mustard, or even a change to MM's mastering on a fresh transfer of a score expansion. Yup yup! Or expressing his opinions about a Star Wars spin-off score. I remember folks being aghast and simply unbelieving that Williams would comment on or even suggest he didn’t like it because that wouldn’t be “nice.” Whether it happened or not I don’t know, but I do know he’s expressed displeasure in the past when composers reharmonize his themes. He’s got strong opinions I’m sure, you just won’t see them in press reels or PR interviews crumbs, Will and Remco 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,318 Posted August 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said: Didn't Williams once politely suggest that one of the child singers on Hook be replaced when they weren't able to play their part? I really hope it's true. "I'm really sorry, Sandy baby, but little Billy can't sing for shit." Will, Smeltington, MikeH and 6 others 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeH 768 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 16 minutes ago, crumbs said: "I'm really sorry, Sandy baby, but little Billy can't sing for shit." No no he needs no go-between! Forget it kid, it’s Hollywood-town. Beat it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Uh-oh, this is making the rounds on mainstream movie news websites now. STAR WARS: THE RISE OF SKYWALKER's Runtime Possible Revealed Along With Some Potential SPOILERS “Rise of Skywalker” Score Hints & Runtime Talk I guess you're pretty much untouchable when you're John Williams' brother but I can imagine Disney being a little displeased at Don's comments (mainly the hints about the film's runtime and returning themes, even if Yoda returning isn't a huge surprise after TLJ -- I'd be more shocked if he wasn't). In his defence, he might not have known he was being recorded and said video would be posted on YouTube, but still... Will and rpvee 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 14 hours ago, Balahkay said: So, did Don pretty much confirm that Yoda is in the film? Williams has used his themes quite literally lately. I mean, probably - but we did get the Emperor's theme in TLJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, crumbs said: I guess you're pretty much untouchable when you're the brother of John Williams but I can imagine Disney being a little displeased at the comments (mainly the hints about returning themes and runtime, even though Yoda returning isn't a huge surprise after TLJ, in fact I'd be more shocked if that didn't happen). John Williams, tonight *holds Don's face, kisses him* "I know it was you, Don. You broke my heart. You broke my heart." Smeltington, Will and MikeH 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,318 Posted August 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 12, 2019 Maybe we were mistaken all along! It's not Don Williams, brother of famed composer John Williams, but the brother of some composter named Jon. Was this the same composter who composted Schindler's List? I really should ask him about pruning my hedges. DarthDementous, Arpy, MikeH and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chewy 2,394 Posted August 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 12, 2019 On 8/11/2019 at 4:46 PM, King Mark said: pffff, still hoping for a "deluxe" edition at the time of release...dream on If the score is as badly mixed as TFA or the Prequels they'll be hard to hear for sure And it's a bit worrisome there still 100 minutes of music not recorded Oh please, when are you not worried seriously? I can't believe you are still finding negative things to say, especially after this great news... Remco, 1977 and crumbs 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MikeH 768 Posted August 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 12, 2019 27 minutes ago, crumbs said: Maybe we were mistaken all along! It's not Don Williams, brother of famed composer John Williams, but the brother of some composter named Jon. Was this the same composter who composted Schindler's List? I really should ask him about pruning my hedges. another J Williams??! rpvee, Arpy and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,207 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 2 hours ago, bollemanneke said: At this point the only thing I want is for John to finish this score so that we have 9 SW scores and the collection is complete. I don't even care whether it's good, bad, outstanding, average or great, or whether this theme or that motif returns or not. All that matters is that John completes writing it. Just wait till you hear him quote The Phantom of the Opera. It's in D minor. 59 minutes ago, crumbs said: Uh-oh, this is making the rounds on mainstream movie news websites now. Calculating the length of the movie based on DW's comments about the amount of music. Take away 15 minutes for album/concert arrangements, and you get the shortest of all SW films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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