#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 I chuckled and eyerolled when the crawl announced Palpatine was back, and we saw Kylo hook up with him 2 minutes later. No build up, no explanation, no attempt at subtlety. I enjoyed the rest of the film a lot, on that level. Big dumb JJ movie. _deleted_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Also who would bang Palpatine?! Hey, if I can get laid, then anything's possible! A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2019 So Sidious knocked up some willing hellhound? Docteur Qui, Not Mr. Big, Unlucky Bastard and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 The movie was a great time. My theater was laughing all throughout. Especially at the "Empress Palpatine" line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego 21 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 So does R2 do anything in this piece of crap? He’s always been my favorite. I’ve read the leaks and 3PO has a bigger role, but it seems that yet again R2 is barely in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 22 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Wait so who was Palpatine's child? Rey's mother or her father? Also who would bang Palpatine?! I’m sure Disney will publish a novel or comic to explain these minor details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 25 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Wait so who was Palpatine's child? Rey's mother or her father? Also who would bang Palpatine?! Rey's father. Kylo explicitly tells her my mother was Vader's daughter, your father was Palpatine's son. Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 10 minutes ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: So Sidious knocked up some willing hellhound? Rey's giving him until three to get back in that painting where he belongs! Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 994 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 What I'm curious in is as to why it's inherently more objectionable than Anakin apparently being a creation of the Force himself (I get the retcon angle of it). I'll admit I know very little about what's no longer canon (or even much of the lore to begin with), so someone might be able to properly explain it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 What I don’t understand is why the Emperor waited so many years to make his return. And how do we know that he’s really dead now? Because all powerful Rey killed him? Mattris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted December 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Balahkay said: What I don’t understand is why the Emperor waited so many years to make his return. And how do we know that he’s really dead now? Because all powerful Rey killed him? He got Donovan'd, so hopefully he's kaput now. 13 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: Rey's father. Poor fucker must have had a terrible childhood. Plus his name could've been Sheev Jr. for all we know. Edmilson, A. A. Ron and _deleted_ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 I was so reluctant to go see this movie that my friend offered to pay for the ticket, so I would go with him. And I thought, well, it's Christmas, why not. The old boy scout motto, one good deed a day. So, here it goes. Over the years, I've become more of a casual fan than you can imagine, and the thought of something in these films not being in line with some book or expanded universe, or some details from previous films, I really don't care. And I've read all spoilers, so, I thought it can't possibly be upsetting or off putting watching this film. Well, I was wrong. I read all the time about the return of Palpatine, and how it doesn't make any sense, and how that's the movie's biggest flaw. Dude, that's the least of this film's problems. I have no problem whatsoever with Palpatine returning as the main villain; it's hardly unheard-of in movies that the bad guy makes a sudden and miraculous return. The way it is handled, though, kills the movie dead from the very first scene. All this movie has to offer in terms of surprise reveals is two things: 1. Emperor is behind everything 2. Rey is Emperor's granddaughter And even though it's been known for a while now that Palpatine is back, you want to build suspense for his screen return. You want to make the audience get giddy for it, let the on screen characters that they identify with have a journey of discovery. But nah, fuck all that. From the very opening crawl on, everyone knows Palpatine is back, and even worse, he's on screen within the first 4 minutes. Same thing with the reveal of Rey being his granddaughter. It's handled piss poorly, to the point of comedy. People laughed. You don't have THREE moments in the film where Rey is told she's a Palpatine. You build to ONE. Yoda didn't casually drop the bomb on Luke that Vader was his father, before ESB's climax, did he? The very first scene in ROS with Kylo Ren traveling to Exegol to get the order to kill Rey should have been at the end of The Last Jedi. That would even have saved part of how useless that movie actually was. Then the other plot elements of this film, my god. So, Luke was trying to find Exegol himself? While his sister is fighting a fight against a puppet First Order? Am I being led to believe that Luke knew Palpatine was behind everything, and just let his sister fight a futile fight against the overwhelming First Order, that would have been better spent searching for Palpatine in the first place? The casting of the film, or better the typecasting, is terrible, too. Daisy Ridley is horribly miscast as the Jedi with integrity and purity, who's struggling with the dark side, but never really. She's a female version of Anakin, a person that you can see turning evil. Adam Driver is far better suited to portray that, and the movie would have been infinitely better, had he been the one Skywalker that rises, since he's actually a Skywalker, you know. That a blood Palpatine is just grabbing the Skywalker name by choice is moronic to no end. And can we please not gloss over the astounding fact that this movie is casting Emperor Palpatine’s SON, to appear in a throwaway flashback for 5 seconds, and he appears to be raggedy poor. How is that possible? That looks like a more interesting story than this train wreck. Adam Driver should have been the emerging hero, fighting a Sith Rey in the end. Kylo Ren has a hero's journey. Rey doesn't have anything resembling even remotely a hero's journey. Rey fails her Jedi training with Leia. But is rewarded with Luke's lightsabre. Gets Chewy captured, gets Chewy quasi killed. Abandons her friends to go on her own every chance she gets. Fails to retrieve Vader's Wayfinder from Kylo Ren. Fails to beat Kylo Ren. Needs Leia's sacrifice to beat him. Rey in the final fight with Ren, succumbs to her hate, retreats to the island in resignation and failure. Gets rewarded with Leia's lightsabre and Luke's X-Wing anyway. Fails to confront Palpatine, needs all the past Jedi's support, dies in the process anyway. And what is this stupid "Jedi training" Rey does with Leia anyway? How is it helping anyone when she runs obstacle courses over logs in the woods? She can't deflect shots from her training ball, isn't terribly accurate firing blaster shots in the speeder chase, yet, she's supposedly the Rebellion's "best fighter"? And despite her failures in pretty much every aspect of the film, she can fucking levitate with ease, force jump, shoot force lightning, and stop big spaceships midair using the force. Unless she needs to cross water or get to somewhere higher up. Then she can't use any of these things, and needs to steer a broken boat, or climb her way up through the Death Star ruins. Can you imagine Superman, who can fly, climbing up a ravine? Oh, Rey can heal just by touching, too. But only nasty desert snakes and Sith lords. Poe, however, needs to pull through to the very end of the film with his blaster shot wound. That Poe. He probably deserves it, being a loser and all. Your male hero lead in this film, everyone. Can't even get the girl in the end. I find that too many people are too superficial in thinking "movie is made by idiots". It's not. The characterizations in this film make sense, when you shift the perspective and look at whose film this is, and who it's aimed at. Mrs. Kennedy tweeted # The Force Is Female. And that normal Star Wars fans aren't the target group anymore. This movie in its character writing is made, thoroughly, from a female point of view, from a standpoint of gender swapping, and is supposed to cater to the new generation of entitled girls, or at very least to a feminist's point of view of what they should be like. Just about any guy in this film gets emasculated. Finn is the shy guy who's secretly in love, and doesn't have the balls to say it, and is content with just being "there for her". Poe depicts the stereotype of how feminists see men: reckless, hothead, irrational, slightly sleazy, too high an opinion of himself, and, of course, gives in to failure in the end. Or how Rey puts it "You're a difficult man". Kylo Ren personifies the fantasy of the woman turning the intriguing bad boy into a good guy, simply by her love and strong will, and who in the end would do anything for her. The whole theater groaned at their kiss. Add to that the fat rebel guy with the beard that gets emasculated by Leia mid film. For fuck's sake, the Kijimi girl ASKS Poe to come with her to start a life. And then when Poe is a damn general, and they win the war, and she comes to her rescue, and he wants to get back together - nah. You just want sex dude. LOL Fuck off. The only two people that are allowed to mate, or have just a moment of flirting, are Lando and Jannah, the black people among themselves. The only strong and rational minded people in this film are all women. Leia, Rey, Jannah, Maz. The guys are all unstable or pussies. Leia Jedi Master is so incredibly cringe. There was a line in there about her giving Luke her lightsabre, to pass on to whoever, to finish her task. What task? Rey is feeding directly into the mindset of modern Disney princesses. Is way in over her head, doesn't amount to jack shit, can't cope with emotions, gets everything handed to her, still fails when shit gets hard, gets bailed out by other people. And in the end takes everything she didn't earn because she feels she "deserves it". Speaking of winning the war, how on earth did the rebels win it? Are you really implying that a fleet of hundreds of star destroyers are sitting ducks just because the flag ship has its antenna deactivated? That's shit. A bunch of broken down spaceships collected by Lando aren't destroying a few hundred star destroyers. Bullshit. There are countless other things that don't make a lick of sense. And old John Williams, well... Let me just say how incredibly lazy it is to end the movie with a rehash of TFA. That's right, lazy. In general, I feel aside from Rise Of Skywalker theme, there isn't a real identity there. Too many moments that would be bypassing moments in the prequel scores. I don't feel the vibrancy in this score. The orchestrations all sound so same to me. It's something I noticed in the last two scores, too, to a lesser extent. There are setpieces dearly missing. It feels like everything is either heavy brass or heavy strings, and little in between. I appreciate the score being mixed almost comically loud. I've read there is too much exposition in the film. No. There isn't nearly enough to make sense. From planet to planet, chasing one MacGuffin, then accidentally finding another MacGuffin, destroying one MacGuffin, but not really... I don't see the "fan service" in this film. There is none. Chen G., A. A. Ron and Bofur01 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Debby Downer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 12 minutes ago, gkgyver said: The whole theater groaned at their kiss. Mine too. Though not the whole theater but several people. It was just a fan fiction moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 At least it'll sound good on a THX system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Is Matt Smith in it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Nooo! I Rey of Sheevo shall rule the galaxy! Be gone you pitiful half-men! Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted December 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2019 Well that’s a shame. This new trilogy really could’ve been something great if it kept up the trajectory established in TLJ (a flawed but interesting film). I read back on some of the earlier posts, sounds like this film was butchered in reshoots and editing. It shows. I didn’t hate it, but man I groaned at nearly every fan wank wink, nod and reference. Also “Palpatine” will never not sound ridiculous coming out of anyone’s mouth. The score is sick though! As expected. Mattris, Chen G. and Pieter Boelen 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Apparently Matt Smith wasn't in it after all. The theory that the alien on this trading card was him gave me a good laugh. I don't know why I find this so hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,520 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 9 hours ago, Thor said: I'm about to tune out of all these STAR WARS threads now, but one more question before I go: Who are the remaining characters from the OT at the end of TROS (alive, not as 'force ghosts' or whatever)? I can think of C-3PO, R2-D2, Wedge, Chewie, Lando, Wicket...who else? I'm thinking primarily of those you can see in the film, not those who may be alive elsewhere in the galaxy that weren't in the film. Anyone? I've only seen the movie once, while some of you have seen it multiple times already, so presumably you've been able to catch some that I didn't. I find this interesting, because if they're making another film or TV show in the future, post-TROS, it would be interesting to see which OT character would continue the legacy. I'm guessing Anthony Daniels will be in all of these untill the day he dies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Holy shit, I can't believe John Williams cameoed in this! After you see him, it took me a couple seconds and then I was like... Wait a second... Took them 9 films but they finally got him in a Star Wars film! Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 7 hours ago, Stefancos said: The kiss is dumb, thankfully Ben dies right after. Poor Rey, first guy she kisses drops dead! Am I really the only one to think they just showed up that history is repeating when Ben resurrects Rey, like Plagueis (do you finally understand his name was Skywalker at least?) once resurrected Shmi? It’s a repeating circle! I think the average 2nd generation fan of SW (you all) are simply too dumb to understand the Slywalker Saga in it’s whole! Mattris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted December 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2019 Man, was super disappointed by this film. Can't believe what a mess it was. It is not deserving of the great score it got. Wish Williams could have ended on a better Star Wars film. leeallen01, crumbs and Mattris 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 39 minutes ago, Bespin said: Am I really the only one to think they just showed up that history is repeating when Ben resurrects Rey, like Plagueis (do you finally understand his name was Skywalker at least?) once resurrected Shmi? It’s a repeating circle! I think the average 2nd generation fan of SW (you all) are simply too dumb to understand the Slywalker Saga in it’s whole! Its nice that you found a unique take of the sequel trilogy you're happy with. Do you need to insult other people with it though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 This whole thread is about negativity and insults towards Disney, JJ or whatever. The skywalker saga is perfectly closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 It really isn't. It also isn't about insulting everyone on this board. Perhaps you need to go back on anti-depressants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 I want to discuss on a high level of Star Wars with fans, that’s all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,520 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 You're a peculiar character, Bespin. I'll give you that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Anyone else caught Kylo Ren doing the Harrison Ford finger point? Docteur Qui 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Seeing Jodie Comer (from Killing Eve) as Rey’s mother was a surprise as well. Docteur Qui 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,211 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: Anyone else caught Kylo Ren doing the Harrison Ford finger point? My favourite joke in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 10 minutes ago, Alex said: Seeing Jodie Comer (from Killing Eve) as Rey’s mother was a surprise as well. And she's younger than Daisy Ridley! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,211 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 7 hours ago, gkgyver said: This movie in its character writing is made, thoroughly, from a female point of view Oh no! We're all going to die! Bofur01 and mstrox 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Small point. Luke's lightsaber that Rey used in TFA and TLJ was destroyed in the latter film. So I guess Rey made or was given a new one for TROS? Luke in TLJ also has a lightsaber in his final confrontation with Kylo. And its not the green ROTJ one. They had a Jedi academy going for a while, so I guess they had plenty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 638 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Those were all the same lightsaber. In Luke's case he was just a vision anyway and in Rey's case here they just fixed it. That's why the middle looks patched up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 So Palpatine wanted Rey to kill him so that he can take over her body or whatever.... But when she does kill him later that doesn't happen? Besides, if that's his plan why does he ask Kylo to kill her? And how can she stops his Force lightning that almost obliterates all the fleet? I mean, lightsabers are cool and all but surely not that powerful? Karol Mattris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Edmilson 7,473 Posted December 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2019 The movie is fucking terrible. One of the worst I've seen this year. Firstly, the script is a mess. A lot of things happen, and I mean A LOT, but you don't have time to breathe, to absorb what just happened, or the shocking revelation they just threw at you. Things just go from A to B to C and you're like "okay, whatever" instead of shocked or emotional. Combine it with a messy editing, and you have the impression you're watching a long sized trailer or a YouTube video summarizing the plot, instead of the actual movie. Few were the movies that gave me this feeling - one was The Battle of the Five Armies, and the other was Suicide Squad. And the worst part, apparently the plot was created by a commite of marketing executives who spent millions on social media research about the Star Wars brand since the release of The Last Jedi. Fans didn't like the character of Rose Tico and her actress Kelly Marie Tran? Okay, let's invent some whatever reason to keep her out of the main plot ("General Leia needs me here to do some research, yada yada..."), despite the strong bond she formed with Finn on the last movie. People complained that the main trio of heroes didn't spend much time together? Well, let's put them searching for whatever McGuffin on some whatever planets, while bantering and bickering with themselves, people loved this on most franchises! The revelation that Rey's parents were nobodies that sold her for booze didn't sit well with fans? No problem, she is now actually Palpatine's granddaughter! Also, let's not explain the logistics of how that happened, so the idiots will be theorizing and buying our comics/books for years to come! Also: Disney execs got so terrified at the reaction to TLJ that they decided to make TROS one of the most coward movies I've ever seen. Whenever something of actual weight and consequence happens onscreen (i.e.: the death of an important character, like Chewie, that lady with the Power Rangers helmet that Poe wants to bang, Threepio loosing his memory and, of course, Rey sacrificing herself to destroy the Emperor), they immediately proceeded to undo it. I ALMOST left theater when Chewie and the Power Rangers lady appeared alive and well, but then I remembered I spent a ton of money on the IMAX ticket for this garbage. FUCK! It's the FUCKING final chapter on the FUCKING saga, people expect tragedies to happen, beloved characters dying, this kind of stuff! Chewie dying, and by Rey's hands, would be an interesting and brave way to raise the stakes! But no, people would whine on social media, so let's make he actually survived instead! And what about the terrible dialogue? I mean, how many times do we still have to suffer for that same scene on which the main hero is going on a dangerous mission, and his best friend is like "I'm coming with you!" "No, I'll go alone, it'll be too dangerous, I don't want you to die because of me, blablabla..." "I don't care, I'm going anyway!" (cue uplifting music while they embrace). This crap went to reshootings this year, didn't it? I'm inclined to believe that the reshoots were for the third act, because the filmmakers wanted to copy the climax of Avengers: Endgame (which came out in April). "They did 2.8 billions at the BO, why don't we do the same thing? Maybe we can do 2.9 billions!". But this has been Abrams' MO since always, so anyway. Williams' score is good as pure music, but on the actual movie it sounds like a mess, like pieces of cues stitched together at the convenience of the music editor. That is, when you can hear the music, most of the time it's buried beneath the sound effects. Since I don't want to be completely negative about it, there was some few good stuff. The movie at the very least works as a beautiful spectacle on the big screen, with great, epic and interesting sets and flawless special effects, although that is the very minimum required for a 200 million blockbuster movie by Disney (but I liked the short recreation of Luke and Leia appearances when they were younger). The fight choregraphies for the two Ren and Rey lightsaber fights are interesting, and I specially liked the Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon style jumps they've made on that partially sunken ship. The best part about the movie was, of course, Williams cameo. I'm all for more film composers cameoing on the films they score (Desplat also had a cameo on The Monuments Men, right?). However, I really hope this isn't the Maestro's last film. To finish his brilliant career, which include some of the most important American movies of all time, with this piece of shit would be really disappointing. I hope Spielberg does at least one more great movie for Williams to write a great score before retiring. Could be some American President biopic, an "very important and timely" movie starring Tom Hanks or Indy 5 - whatever, just do something good simply for the Maestro does not retires with this crap. Say whatever shit you want about TLJ or the prequels (and I like TLJ while at the same time recognizing its flaws), but at least they were the personal view of their creators about the story and the characters. TROS, on the other hand, was made to make people stop whining and bitching and posting YouTube videos deriding the saga. Well, guess what, geniuses: they won't. 3/10 [/rant] Remco, Pieter Boelen, Romão and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 14 minutes ago, crocodile said: So Palpatine wanted Rey to kill him so that he can take over her body or whatever.... No, he wanted her to kill him so she would become a Sith. Because his body was broken and paralyzed i guess (a horrible commentary on disabled people) But once he got restored, he wanted just to kill Rey and take power himself. 14 minutes ago, crocodile said: And how can she stops his Force lightning that almost obliterates all the fleet? I mean, lightsabers are cool and all but surely not that powerful? The Force? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 58 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Small point. Luke's lightsaber that Rey used in TFA and TLJ was destroyed in the latter film. So I guess Rey made or was given a new one for TROS? Luke in TLJ also has a lightsaber in his final confrontation with Kylo. And its not the green ROTJ one. They had a Jedi academy going for a while, so I guess they had plenty? Luke's force projection should've been an indicator to you that it was a force projection - as we'd seen it destroyed earlier. The broken saber was later repaired sometime between this film and the last: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted December 20, 2019 Author Share Posted December 20, 2019 Hey let's discuss the pros and cons of the film without insulting people who feel differently than you do about it. Thanks! #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,211 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 22 minutes ago, Edmilson said: Fans didn't like the character of Rose Tico and her actress Kelly Marie Tran? Okay, let's invent some whatever reason to keep her out of the main plot ("General Leia needs me here to do some research, yada yada..."), despite the strong bond she formed with Finn on the last movie. That bothered me quite a bit, because it was so obviously a concession to all the women hating xenophobic "fans" who couldn't cope with her playing a major role in TLJ. 22 minutes ago, Edmilson said: The revelation that Rey's parents were nobodies that sold her for booze didn't sit well with fans? No problem, she is now actually Palpatine's granddaughter! That one I believe should be blamed (if you want to assign blame) on TLJ. JJA clearly envisioned *some* sort of arc based on Rey being abandoned and having some sort of blood heritage - much of TFA's mysteries are based on that. Johnson killed direct way to build on that, so they had to come up with a more convoluted construction instead, and cram it all into a single film. Given the circumstances, it could have been worse. Bofur01 and Score 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,473 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: That one I believe should be blamed (if you want to assign blame) on TLJ. JJA clearly envisioned *some* sort of arc based on Rey being abandoned and having some sort of blood heritage - much of TFA's mysteries are based on that. Johnson killed direct way to build on that, so they had to come up with a more convoluted construction instead, and cram it all into a single film. Given the circumstances, it could have been worse. Yeah, I guess the fault is mostly LFL's for their lack of planning. I mean, Johnson was chosen as director for TLJ even before TFA opened. So, why didn't they sat with the directors and screenwriters and said: "People, the basic outline for this trilogy is that Rey will be Palpatine's granddaughter while Kylo Ren will be Vader's grandson. Rey will be tempted to the dark side throughout the movies, but eventually will be able to resist it, become a fully formed and powerful Jedi, while Kylo will redeem himself. You can do what you want on your movies, as long as they stay truth to this basically outline. Okay? Everyone agrees? So, let's get to work!" That's how the MCU prospered. LFL, on the other hand, let Abrams and Johnson do whatever they want on their movies, until they regretted it thanks to social media, and tried to course correct on the final movie. Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 12 minutes ago, Jay said: Hey let's discuss the pros and cons of the film without insulting people who feel differently than you do about it. Thanks! Is that comment directed at me? I was responding to a question about Luke's lightsaber! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 No, probably at @Bespin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted December 20, 2019 Author Share Posted December 20, 2019 It was not directed at you Arpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,473 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 About the use of Leia on the movie... Well, do you remember when the South Park creators fought with Isaac Hayes, who voiced the Chef character, because the show did a parody of his religion, the Scientology? Then, Hayes left the show, and the creators decided to use some of his previously recorded dialogue for the Chef to create a story which would explain his absence. It's S10E01 The Return of the Chef. So, the kids' interactions with the Chef on that episode was quite similar to the other characters interacting with Leia on this movie. You can feel they were molding their dialogue to fit with Leia's previously recorded lines. The results are not great, and her scenes with the other characters are very weird. However, given the awful and tragic circunstances, I'm willing to "forgive" the movie for this. At the very least, they managed to give Leia a decent ending (and playing a role on her son's redemption, much like her brother played a role on their father's redemption), than just writing her off like "General Leia was on that ship that was exploded by the First Order". Remco 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Yeah, there really isn't anything they could have done. Considering the fact that Carrie Fisher actually died years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 I thought the Fisher scenes looked pretty good. I was expecting something weird like the young Leia from RO. It was obvious the dialogue was written around Carrie's sound bites but it wasn't jarring to me. I think they did they best they could use existing footage and it was very respectful to the late actress. However, I would have liked to see a funeral for Leia (in the same vain as Padme's) instead of the characters hovering over her body covered with a white sheet. What really looked odd to me were the young faces of Luke and Leia - not at all natural or real looking. Their fencing outfits were odd, too. Mattris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 20 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Yeah, there really isn't anything they could have done. Considering the fact that Carrie Fisher actually died years ago. But there is. They could have started the opening crawl with Leia's death in some attack or other, and started the actual movie with her funeral, and go from there. They didn't have to incorporate her in the movie in such a clumsy and detracting way. Carrie Fisher died. Nobody would have blamed them for restructuring the plot a bit to accommodate that. There is a significant amount of love missing in this whole trilogy. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 There's no sex either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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