Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 1 minute ago, bruce marshall said: Since when has being a musician guaranteed financial security or artistic freedom? Not many professions are, but the stubborn exclusivity of this particular one is ridiculous. Bayesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbu 123 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 Joe Kraemer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted January 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Ricard said: As long as people think that "life is unfair", they're never gonna get what they want. Care to elaborate? Life is stacked against most of us from the outset. Only a very few privileged number “get what they want”. For every success story in Hollywood there are tens of thousands, if not more, that never even got a chance, largely due to economic and social inequality. In this industry, hell, in this world, if you weren’t lucky enough to be born in the right place at the right time to the right parents your dreams are worth jack shit. There’s nothing wrong with having lofty goals in life, but true wisdom is knowing when your dreams are impossible and focusing on building what you can with what you already have. Bayesian, crumbs, Holko and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 1 hour ago, badbu said: Joe Kraemer And you are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,661 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 Has anyone heard Kraemer's Doctor Who/Big Finish scores? Worth picking up? I love the Who TV scores from Gold and Akinola, and wouldn't mind having more in either of those styles. I like Kraemer's Mission: Impossible score welll enough and haven't heard anything else, and sci-fi/adventure is much more my scene than action or spy music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,479 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 I bought the LLL CD of those two Doctor Who scores but dont' know if there's a way to listen to any others? I haven't listened to it yet, too much to get through! I think "The Man Who Killed Hitler and then The Bigfoot" is his best score since Rogue Nation, along with Comrade Detective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,661 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 Samples sound good enough, at any rate - might blind-buy it if LLL has a decent sale, or even go full price if somebody waxes enthusiastic. Speaking of Doctor Who, I'm still waiting patiently for Gold's swan song season. I recall the music being quite good when I watched. WHERE BE IT? besides leaving a nice sized hole on my shelf. TSMefford and Bofur01 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,479 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 Here's the text of his followup so you don't have to click through 7 tweets Quote I want to thank everyone for their supportive comments about my posts yesterday. Understandably, I've seen a lot of responses that focus on the 'doom and gloom' but let me counter that with some positives: Since 'Rogue Nation', I have been busier than ever - just not on mainstream Hollywood movies - I have scored 'The Man Who Killed Hitler and then Then Bigfoot', 'Emily and The Magical Journey', 'Sunrise' and 'Fluorescent Beast', the tv shows 'Pandora' and 'Creeped Out', the mini-series 'Comrade Detective', and a dozen shorts and pilots, all of which have been warmly received by viewers and listeners. A lifelong dream has come true and my music is being performed by orchestras around the world in concerts (such as the recent AGENTS ARE FOREVER by the Danish National Symphony Orchestra). I have also written dozens of hours of music for one of my favorite franchises, 'Doctor Who', for Big Finish Audio, a company that makes full-cast audio dramas, which have all the sonic impact of movies, without the visual component. This is all to say that there are lots of wonderful opportunities for composers outside the relatively narrow field of mainstream Hollywood Movies. I am a composer and I write music whenever I can. I am very happy to be working with wonderful people now, on projects I enjoy, projects that are artistically fulfilling. If mainstream Hollywood comes knocking, I am delighted to answer the door, but in the meantime, I am very happy to keep working on things I love PS - Please don't pester people you THINK I MIGHT be talking about. I didn't name names for a reason - who they are is not important - it's what happened that counted. I told the stories to illustrate the OP's point, not to drag unnamed individuals into a fight. Thank you! Marian Schedenig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,630 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 1 hour ago, mstrox said: Has anyone heard Kraemer's Doctor Who/Big Finish scores? Worth picking up? I love the Who TV scores from Gold and Akinola, and wouldn't mind having more in either of those styles. Gold's stuff is usually excellent, but I think Akinola's is terrible. But I had no idea Kraemer had done anything for the franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,479 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 10 minutes ago, Thor said: Gold's stuff is usually excellent, but I think Akinola's is terrible. But I had no idea Kraemer had done anything for the franchise. https://lalalandrecords.com/escape-to-danger-original-soundtracks-from-the-audio-adventures-of-doctor-who-limited-edition/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 Gold's music is always so loud and constantly on alert, I can't stand it. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 17 minutes ago, The Big Man said: Gold's music is always so loud and constantly on alert, I can't stand it. I agree, I largely found Gold’s scores annoying. He certainly had his standout episodes (like “Heaven Sent”) but mostly he was too overbearing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,630 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 I kinda agree with that too, even though it's far more defined and developped as musical pieces than the sound design/generic nonsense that Akinola has been pouring out lately. One can make a smokin' great 70-minute album of highlights from Gold's stuff for his stint at DR. WHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,758 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 I once made a ~2 hour album from series 1-9, but it missed out too much good stuff. The albums for 1-4 at least, are made for you Thor 5 onwards.....less so. Serious pruning needed there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 I absolutely love Gold's scores. I don't think they're too loud, but I do think Hans Zimmer was used as a temp track at times though: Other than that his scores have a lot of heart, vibrancy, and are quite memorable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,630 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 8 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: I once made a ~2 hour album from series 1-9, but it missed out too much good stuff. The albums for 1-4 at least, are made for you Thor Yeah, I've seen every single episode of DR. WHO since 1963 (the ones that are lost, I've listened to as "audio books" with still images), and I've been amazed by a few sequences in Gold's music for the 2005 "resurrection". Also disappointed by others. But if one could trim it down to a 70-minute album, I'm confident it would be chockful of highlights. God almighty, we're off-topic now. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,661 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 I agree with the criticism of Gold's work - it's hard to sit through an album at once, and especially when those albums stretched over two or three discs. Better to listen to an episode in one sitting, at least in the later releases that were long enough to be more representative of whole episodes. To be honest, for me, the highs are so high that it makes any complaint worth it. Bofur01 and TSMefford 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,517 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 . Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,630 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 He was good too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,661 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 Is that the guy who saved Christmas? bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bounty95 558 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 On 1/28/2021 at 4:33 PM, Erik Woods said: JIM KNOPF UND DIE WILDE 13 Just listened to this on Spotify and I must say it's indeed outstanding. This is the kind of music that I miss in modern Hollywood blockbusters. Is "Jim Knopf and Lukas der Lokomotivführer" (2018) equally good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 6 hours ago, mstrox said: Has anyone heard Kraemer's Doctor Who/Big Finish scores? Worth picking up? I love the Who TV scores from Gold and Akinola, and wouldn't mind having more in either of those styles. I like Kraemer's Mission: Impossible score welll enough and haven't heard anything else, and sci-fi/adventure is much more my scene than action or spy music. His score to Jack Reacher works great as a prelude to Rogue Nation! mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SteveMc 2,674 Posted January 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 29, 2021 Rather disheartening, the condition of the industry, especially for a guy like me with absolutely 0 connections and financial security who entertains a desire to create. TSMefford, crumbs and blondheim 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 Find a nice woman and create babies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 1 minute ago, SteveMc said: Rather disheartening, the condition of the industry, especially for a guy like me with absolutely 0 connections and financial security who entertains a desire to create. You interested in pursuing music Steve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SteveMc 2,674 Posted January 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 29, 2021 13 minutes ago, KK said: You interested in pursuing music Steve? No, not professionally. Writing and directing movies is my dream career. But getting into a PhD program and pursuing a career in academia looks more likely right now, we'll see how the next few months play out. 17 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Find a nice woman and create babies. This is a noble quest. TSMefford, crumbs and Taikomochi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 10 minutes ago, SteveMc said: No, not professionally. Writing and directing movies is my dream career. What about working on documentaries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 No need to give up on that dream, I think. It just requires intelligence and focus. You're young. Focus on your craft and capitalize on the resources around you, especially as an emerging filmmaker. Eventually, you'll find yourself in the right space for you. SteveMc and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 15 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: What about working on documentaries? I would not be adverse to that for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 7 minutes ago, SteveMc said: I would not be adverse to that for sure. I guess there's production companies and serious TV channels where it's possible to work with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 7 hours ago, mstrox said: Speaking of Doctor Who, I'm still waiting patiently for Gold's swan song season. I recall the music being quite good when I watched. WHERE BE IT? besides leaving a nice sized hole on my shelf. I think Gold had said there wasn't enough new music to justify a release - however around that time, right after series 10 - he had a baby so that slowed any chances of a release to nothing and it's been that way for years now. From Twitter last year: Quote In response to a fan on Twitter who asked where the soundtrack is, Gold replied... “stage one: idly considering. stage two: concrete wondering. excited to report we are at stage three: move closer to an actual thing happening. Keep toe.” I've loved Gold's scores for the series, and it's clear the more time and access he had to an orchestra, the more he could accomplish. I agree with some of the complaints of it being loud and annoying at times, but I think mostly that comes down to the music as it was edited and mixed into the episodes, with the editors overlaying several tracks to create a nightmare at times. Some of the best work all the revived series is still unreleased, with each episode warranting a one to two disc album with the sheer volume of music there is. I've yet to see another television series with such a devotion to creating a catalog of themes and motifs and in an orchestral/symphonic tradition. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,758 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 I remember people asking Silva Screen about 'their' logic of putting out Akinola's first series before Gold's last, but it doesn't work that way. I'm pretty sure they just put out the album that the composer gives them. As the time, they said something like the music wasn't 'available to licence at this time', which I think was a needlessly diplomatic way of saying Gold hadn't made them an album yet. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 3 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Find a nice woman and create babies. Ensure she's been tested first. You wouldn't want a gift from her either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 I imagine there’s some expense involved with the BBC Wales orchestra, re-use fees etc. Does anyone know what the situation is there? As far as I can tell Akinola uses a much smaller ensemble more sparingly, with a lot of the underscore carried by sampled instruments. It’s possible that creating an album for his first series was much cheaper and quicker than Gold’s last. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,688 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 I am with Kraemer on this. I have also not scored a single mainstream Hollywood movie since Rogue-Nation. Worse yet, I did not even score Rogue-Nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,758 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 10 hours ago, Docteur Qui said: I imagine there’s some expense involved with the BBC Wales orchestra, re-use fees etc. Does anyone know what the situation is there? As far as I can tell Akinola uses a much smaller ensemble more sparingly, with a lot of the underscore carried by sampled instruments. It’s possible that creating an album for his first series was much cheaper and quicker than Gold’s last. The BBC Wales orchestra doesn't seem to have been an impediment thus far, so I'd be surprised if that were a major factor. I put it down to Akinola being fresh to the series and enthusiastic to have an album out there, whereas Gold has likely moved on to his next endeavour. And Akinola's releases so far are really comprehensive - releasing probably about a third of his 11/12 scores, and everything from the NY special. It took Gold until one of Matt Smith's Christmas specials to do a full episode release, although I believe that as of series 8, we've got five full, or nearly full, episode scores. Having said that, there are some episodes, particularly in series 11, where I wouldn't be surprised if they were 100% synth, which would I suppose make it much cheaper. Interestingly, I can't think of a Gold-score episode I particularly want in complete form, whereas I'd love the complete score to Rosa. Docteur Qui 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jojoju2000 20 Posted January 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2021 On 1/28/2021 at 8:33 AM, Bayesian said: Let's see if I understand the current state of film scoring: Film producers don't give a shit about the craft of film scoring. Kraemer hasn't had a mainstream gig in 9 years. Elfman has talked about his opportunities drying up. Zimmer and his clone army have a stranglehold oligopoly, at least when it comes to high profile projects. Composer assistants do all the work, yet aren't paid enough to survive. Meanwhile, Zimmer gets asked to do a Masterclass. The studios lock away all their film music in vaults for decades and allow it to deteriorate. The fact we get to enjoy any expanded releases comes down to the endless, heroic work of specialty label producers who appear to have to fight tooth and nail for every album they manage to produce. Meanwhile, Disney still won't move forward in giving the world a properly expanded Star Wars. I know I'm cherrypicking here, but even so... this is a very unfortunate state of affairs. I'm new here ! I have been a great fan of Williams for some time now. I just wanted to reply to this post; because I think it explains in some part, why Williams chose to go into Semi Retirement by from 2005 onwards. Not many Film Producers or Directors these days appreciate good quality music. Only Steven Spielberg and Martin Scorsese these days appreciate good music. And that's why as; Elfman, and Kraemer, and Silverstri has stagnated, Williams is still in very high demand, and he is still so viable in Hollywood today. So much so; that he gets to pick and choose what projects he wants to do like with " The Book Thief " in 2013. https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970203893404577098730827733806 An interesting article to consider. If you can't read it, try opening it up in incognito or private mode. It works for me. 12-Mile Reef, Jurassic Shark and Taikomochi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 12 hours ago, Richard Penna said: The BBC Wales orchestra doesn't seem to have been an impediment thus far, so I'd be surprised if that were a major factor. I put it down to Akinola being fresh to the series and enthusiastic to have an album out there, whereas Gold has likely moved on to his next endeavour. Yes that makes sense. I can imagine that assembling/producing your own album would be quite time consuming. I would love it if Gold returned to his Who music at some point - not so much the show as it’s clear he’s moved on, and in any case the show deserves to have new blood working on it. But I’d love it if he rearranged some of the popular themes and recorded suites for them. He really did write a tremendous amount of magnificent music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 188 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 On 1/29/2021 at 3:27 PM, mstrox said: Has anyone heard Kraemer's Doctor Who/Big Finish scores? Worth picking up? I love the Who TV scores from Gold and Akinola, and wouldn't mind having more in either of those styles. I like Kraemer's Mission: Impossible score welll enough and haven't heard anything else, and sci-fi/adventure is much more my scene than action or spy music. I have a few of the box sets he scored, though mostly non-Doctor stories about other characters from the universe - "Missy", "The Paternoster Gang", etc. I'd recommend them - apart from the music being very enjoyable (and very Kraemer in style, not a copy of Gold, or Akinola - mostly a mix of adventure/whimsical/mystery idioms), the stories are fun to listen to, the voice acting is great, and most of the sets contain a lengthy suite of Joe's score at the end, which alleviates the fact that there only has been one standalone soundtrack release so far. mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 638 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 That photo Zimmer took of himself to prove its him in the private chat is still burned into my brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HunterTech 996 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 This was the one I'd seen: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,630 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 God, I love that guy! bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mstrox 6,661 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 The man knows his angle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 What the hell?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mstrox 6,661 Posted February 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2021 Whoever painted that Zimmer face on their thumb is very talented Holko, bruce marshall, Edmilson and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Wait, that kind of looks like Tom Hanks. Could it be from the upcoming HZ biopic Wonderman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Zimmer 211 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Don’t make fun of me damnit. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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