Arpy 4,145 Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 Harris and Gambon were great, personally, I found they both portrayed different aspects of Dumbledore well - whether it was Harris' calm demeanor and ability to use his eyes to pierce through anyone's soul or Gambon's ability to give this strong presence to the character that commanded both authority and respect, and a small bit of eccentricity. Harris' Dumbledore reminds me of John Williams, in a way. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony 572 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 On 03/04/2022 at 12:42 PM, Arpy said: Harris' Dumbledore reminds me of John Williams, in a way. I'd not thought of this before, but you're right! Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 https://deadline.com/2022/04/fantastic-beasts-the-secrets-of-dumbledore-china-international-box-office-preview-1234995958/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bilbo 3,709 Posted April 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 7, 2022 DemonStar, Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Edmilson and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,690 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 The film's 2hr 23 mins, so that means it will contain most of the score, assuming that it will have some unscored bits. On par with the first I suppose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,964 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 13 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: The film's 2hr 23 mins, so that means it will contain most of the score, assuming that it will have some unscored bits. On par with the first I suppose? The first had 2 suites and e few cues that were only partially used in the film. This is only the score and 1 song by Gregory Porter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 19 minutes ago, JNHFan2000 said: The first had 2 suites and e few cues that were only partially used in the film. This is only the score and 1 song by Gregory Porter How do we know if the album does not have any suites? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drawgoon 100 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Has something been changed about those re-use fees recently? Studios - or at least WB - have been weirdly generous with their score album offerings lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 28 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: How do we know if the album does not have any suites? I suppose because the album is already out in any country where it's already Friday https://music.apple.com/nz/album/fantastic-beasts-the-secrets-of-dumbledore/1614938046 26 minutes ago, Drawgoon said: Has something been changed about those re-use fees recently? Studios - or at least WB - have been weirdly generous with their score album offerings lately. An original soundtrack album is not a "re-use", it's considering part of the original intention of recording the music in the first place (along with going into the film) The re-use fees come into play when music that wasn't on the OST album (so, only used in the film) wants to be re-used for a new album, like an expansion from a specialty label. TheUlyssesian and Drawgoon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Gregory Porter is a fantastic singer btw, I've been fan of his for 10 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony 572 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Jay said: An original soundtrack album is not a "re-use", it's considering part of the original intention of recording the music in the first place (along with going into the film) The re-use fees come into play when music that wasn't on the OST album (so, only used in the film) wants to be re-used for a new album, like an expansion from a specialty label. So it would be better to release complete scores upfront...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Better for us die-hards, yea. Better the average consumer? Hmm maybe, kids these days seem to just click around youtube playlists anyway bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 It's available on YouTube here in AU. Use a VPN and you'll be able to listen. Playlist starts here: I've skimmed through the entire soundtrack. Unless they omitted any tracks featuring JW material, excluding The Room We Require there's no JW material on this soundtrack. So... yeah. And it's disappointingly dull/restrained, overall. Probably more an indication of the film JNH had to score, rather than any shortcomings in JNH's accomplishments. The vast majority of this soundtrack is quiet, atmospheric underscore (think Nicholas Hooper's Half Blood Price, or any of the quiet suspense cues Desplat wrote for Deathly Hallows). Will and Cerebral Cortex 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,016 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Clips: https://music.apple.com/au/album/fantastic-beasts-the-secrets-of-dumbledore/1614938046 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, crocodile said: Clips: https://music.apple.com/au/album/fantastic-beasts-the-secrets-of-dumbledore/1614938046 4 hours ago, Jay said: https://music.apple.com/nz/album/fantastic-beasts-the-secrets-of-dumbledore/1614938046 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony 572 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 This makes 3 for 3 Fantasic Beasts albums with excellent end title tracks but unremarkable scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drawgoon 100 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 I was hoping for at least another "Wands into the Earth" moment in this one. Nopes. It's all quiet underscore. Drew 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evanus 217 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 IMO the first Fantastic Beasts score is pretty great.. the second one was pretty good, but a step down. Still looking forward to the new score leeallen01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 Very excited to hear this (much less excited for the film, which I may not even watch at all). Edmilson and leeallen01 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 21 minutes ago, Will said: Very excited to hear this (much less excited for the film, which I may not even watch at all). Exactly my opinion. I look forward to the album, but I have no desire to watch the movie. CoG was so awful, It basically killed my interest in the franchise. Maybe one day, when it's on HBOMax. Bofur01 and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted April 8, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 8, 2022 People are now pretending the first score was boring? What the fuck? It was the best score of 2016! bollemanneke, Edmilson, Chewy and 7 others 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 First score was excellent, a masterful five-star effort from JNH. Second score was quite good but didn't reach the same heights. UPDATE: From the portion I've listened to so far, there is a lot of pleasant but uninteresting underscore. That said, there are still some grander highlights. This track, from timestamp to end, is an early highlight: The use of synths is a tad overbearing, but the woodwinds are beautiful and accentuate the sense of fantasy and excitement. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 Yep that's the Main Title (timestamped below) Not quite as grand or impactful as 1 and 2 but still good. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 4 hours ago, A. A. Ron said: It was the best score of 2016! That The BFG... Chewy and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsevilr 4 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 I’m gonna wait for someone to make a playlist for this. Tried to listen to it and about 15 tracks I’m starting to lose interest. There’s a lot of quiet moments in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 It's surprisingly... muted. Probably a reflection of the film more than JNH. Yates isn't exactly renowned for big orchestral flourishes; his filmmaking style doesn't allow for that style of scoring. Will and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crocodile 8,016 Posted April 8, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 8, 2022 JWFan is underwhelmed...which means in a couple of weeks this will be lauded as the best score of 2022. 😆 Karol bollemanneke, JNHFan2000, Will and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, crocodile said: JWFan is underwhelmed...which means in a couple of weeks this will be lauded as the best score of 2022. 😆 Karol Until The Fabelmans bollemanneke and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,690 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 1 hour ago, crocodile said: JWFan is underwhelmed...which means in a couple of weeks this will be lauded as the best score of 2022. 😆 Karol It will be simultaneously called the best score ever and a coaster, until the expansion in 5 years' time when it will suddenly become flawless I'm four tracks in, and it's surprisingly subdued (and barely any full thematic content) but I'm enjoying it so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drawgoon 100 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 I'd totally forgotten that Howard wrote a character theme for Dumbledore for the second movie. It was nice to hear it briefly during the Ceremony cue towards the end of the album. Kind of surprising it wasn't (seemingly) used at anywhere else though - considering the man's role was deemed significant enough to have his name in the tagline. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bofur01 245 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 There seems to be a lot of music re-used from films 1 and 2 of the Fantastic Beasts franchise here - The cue "Assassin!" is mostly taken from "The Demiguise and The Occamy", and there are similar examples all over the score Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,690 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 Those wanting a proper reprisal of the FB theme have to wait until track 9. It's a good one though. Will and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 Like i wrote in that other thread, it's another one of these baffling 'more is less' releases. 110 minutes of material that needs editorializing like a plant needs light. It's not enough to just whittle out tracks, you would need to edit tracks themselves. This is a good 45-50 minutes score. mstrox and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,690 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 If this release had been 50 mins and everyone loved it, there would be complaints about why they couldn't do a longer release. You can't expect album producers to predict which scores will be popular enough to demand more music. The only way they can win these days is to put out two albums. Personally, I'm rather liking this so far (9 tracks in) LSH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 19 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: If this release had been 50 mins and everyone loved it, there would be complaints about why they couldn't do a longer release. You have to be a purist on some matters. Let them complain! PS: compiled this playlist on the go. It runs a bit over 60 and tries to weed out the most insubstantial stuff. There's still more you'd need to do, but for the moment that will do for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,690 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 I'm surprised you left off Kama' s Memory. I especially like that. The Escape is really good - a bit of a hark back to the action from the first score. I'm a little over halfway through, and if it remains this consistent (occasional brief patches of less interesting comedy/drama) then I'll likely keep the entire thing. Doesn't seem to be on 7Digital/Qobuz yet though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 9 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: I'm surprised you left off Kama' s Memory. I especially like that. The Escape is really good - a bit of a hark back to the action from the first score. Both inessential cues that meander too much before making a real musical point and are too short to afford so much meandering. I will also say, categorically, that there's a real arbitrariness to it (long sections of vaguely pleasant children's chorus, long stretches of uniform awe and/or menace stuff that could belong to any Marvel film) a diffuse non-commitment to clear narrative statements that is very typical of current blockbuster scoring. Howard is an old pro who knows his way around some restrictions, but there's very little to recommend it, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,690 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 Problem is, I just looked over your playlist and found a handful of cues I'd drop and replace with others. Hence, by releasing this much music, we're able to pick cues and debate which are the most interesting. I fail to see what is accomplished by complaining that a release is too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 47 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: Problem is, I just looked over your playlist and found a handful of cues I'd drop and replace with others. Hence, by releasing this much music, we're able to pick cues and debate which are the most interesting. I fail to see what is accomplished by complaining that a release is too long. That i don't care much for Richard Penna's selection or musical acumen, so why should i care what *your* preference is? Also (in stark contrast to you) i hardly think that lack of downsizing is the only problem of this score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,690 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 I only wish that we were able to sensibly discuss which parts of the score we individually enjoyed, and welcome the fact that the length of the release allows us to do that. My comments on your playlist were merely to highlight that our individual 'highlights' albums are different, not to imply that you should care about my preferences. I'm near the end and I've rather enjoyed it. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,964 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 I think Kama's Memory is a terrific cue, because it is the only appearance of what might be my favorite theme Howard wrote for the series. Leta's Theme. I don't the context of the scene, but that this theme at least makes an appearance is something I am very happy with. Also glad there's a bit of Jacob's theme back. I missed that in the 2nd. leeallen01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 Well it’s probably the weakest of the 3 FB scores, but it’s better than most film music out there. TheUlyssesian and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 969 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 I'm quite enjoying it. I'm actually a big fan of Howard's soft meandering underscore-y stuff... and there's a fuck tonne of that here. I think it's rather lovely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smaug The Iron 515 Posted April 8, 2022 Author Share Posted April 8, 2022 Just saw the film, there are two unreleased Williams material, one big Hedwig's Theme appearance and some rerecorded parts of the Quidditch match including Nimbus 2000 but it is either an Insert or tracked because the original Version you can here in the Case Chase between 00.00-00.32. Will and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 Just listened to the album. It's not as boring as I was expecting, although I do like JNH's meandering writing. The problem with it is that there's a lot of sections where nothing interesting happens. And most of the best parts are reprises of material from FB1 and 2. It's kinda like JNH's own Kingdom of Crystal Skull: there are some excellent moments, but you have to find them in amidst a lot of boring stuff. Will and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 Yeah, most of my favorite parts of this score are simply re-orchestrated reprises of material from the first film. Like, the (terrific) crescendo leading to the main title is a re-arrangement of "Newt Releases the Thunderbird": Which does make the main title music a bit disappointing since I was expecting to instead hear the superior theme used in the cue above. Bofur01 and igger6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post leeallen01 2,136 Posted April 8, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 8, 2022 Listening through it now. I'm really enjoying the quiet and delicate start to the score. A few nice relaxing pieces with lovely woodwind and choir writing, particularly in the pieces; 'She's Ready' and 'Wyvern Rescue.' I like how 'Young Man's Magic' brings back a few subtle themes from the previous scores, including a nice Main Theme reference near the end. Hearing the return of Jacob's solo material and his and Queenie's material in 'Call Me Jacob' and 'Countersight' is a damn delight! Man, JNH nailed that character musically. So fun. Fresh little nod to Hedwig's Theme on high strings in 'Insufficient Evidence.' Loved hearing the 3-note haunting choir theme from the 2nd film return at the end of 'Kama's Memory.' One of my favourite JNH choices in the 2nd film. 'Manticore Dance' has some interesting orchestration. Nice spanish vibes. Thankful to hear Newt's swashbuckling adventure theme in 'The Escape.' Then after that the score kind of goes stale around the 1 hour mark, until 'Case Chaos' when it picks back up with some more energy. A very subtle hint at JNH's Dumbledore theme in 'He's Lying To You.' I was really hoping that his theme would be the focus of the score, and be developed thoroughly along with Grindelwald's thematic material to juxtapose, but strangely both of their music is basically non-existent... 'He Sought To Kill, I Sought To Protect,' is a nice tragic piece with some of that JNH string power through dramatic chord progression, and finishes with some further development of his haunting choir writing. 'The Promise' reprises some Fantastic Beasts Main Theme and the only real Dumbledore's Theme appearance. 'The Ceremony' is a gorgeous piece and a sad reminder of what the score could have been. Some reprisals of his beautiful love theme for Newt and Tina, a final rendition of his Dumbledore Theme, and some great Brass and Woodwind solo's. That and the final Title Card piece, which is great and thematic also, feels like JNH was musically telling us that this is how the score could have been, if only I had a more inspiring film to work from. Overall, I am disappointed. The Score feels devoid of melody, devoid of themes, and devoid of energy. It still has magical moments, but JNH is capable of such top level magical fantasy, which he gave us in the 1st film's score, but clearly this film and it's director couldn't get that out of him. Edmilson, Will and Dave 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 (Presumably) unintentional Schindler's List reference. BB-8 and Jay 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, Will said: (Presumably) unintentional Schindler's List reference. That is a reprisal from the first FB film. I think it's an intentional reference to Williams own Potter theme. 4:08 - Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,658 Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 Crazy how key changes and such create such different moods. Who knew Potter was so close to SL? Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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