A Disney director tried - and failed - to use an AI Hans Zimmer to create a soundtrack

[Koray Savas 2,251]

Link to article

 

 

[A24 4,338]

Failed? I dunno, a 7/10 Zimmer score is scarily good for most producers/directors. 

[GerateWohl 4,370]

You must see the relation. A 10/10 Zimmer is approximately a 1/10 Williams.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,537]

That's "0.01/10", if you don't mind!

It would be more impressive if the director used Zimmer to create a soundtrack 

[Richard Penna 3,694]

I don't really see the relevance of explicitly comparing Zimmer to A.I. generated music. You could ask A.I. to compose a score in the style of Williams and I bet it would fool some people. (a few years ago several people thought a track by, I think, Jablonsky, was by Williams).

 

And yes, 7/10 is not what I'd called 'failed'. That's what you get on the second draft, before he's addressed some notes, surely?

[Edmilson 7,466]

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Zimmer, he said, found it amusing.

Oh sure. If I was Zimmer, I'd be livid with someone using my compositions to train a robot who would do my job for a cheaper price.

[JTN 2,030]

1 minute ago, Richard Penna said:

You could ask A.I. to compose a score in the style of Williams 

How ironic would it be…

[Naïve Old Fart 9,537]

To paraphrase Mr. Spock: "A.I. could create the sounds, but not the meaning. It would be composing in gibberish".

 

If you want to hear some real A.I. music, listen to Synergy's COMPUTER EXPERIMENTS VOL. 1.

[Faleel 5,354]

1 minute ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

To paraphrase Mr. Spock: "A.I. could create the sounds, but not the meaning. It would be composing in gibberish".

I saw something that said "A.I. could save music from humans"

[Naïve Old Fart 9,537]

In Zimmer's case, I doubt it could be any worse.

[Tom 4,661]

20 minutes ago, JTW said:

How ironic would it be…

Maybe Williams's new "glasses-free" look is a clue hiding in plain sight.*

 

*Plain sight for those who do not need glasses, of course.  

[Edmilson 7,466]

People like this director keep saying we have nothing to fear on A.I., but an A.I. trained with Zimmer music managed to produce 7/10 results. And if the technology improves and A.I. begins to write more, better music that is indistinguishable than those written by humans?

 

In 10 years, we won't have human composers anymore, just robots trained with older scores to provide the music producers want to their A.I.-starring and A.I.-written blockbusters.

[MedigoScan 324]

I doubt an AI could have composed Interstellar so I shall safely ignore all the 'lol zimmer' quips.

[A24 4,338]

25 minutes ago, Edmilson said:

People like this director keep saying we have nothing to fear on A.I., but an A.I. trained with Zimmer music managed to produce 7/10 results. And if the technology improves and A.I. begins to write more, better music that is indistinguishable than those written by humans?

 

In 10 years, we won't have human composers anymore, just robots trained with older scores to provide the music producers want to their A.I.-starring and A.I.-written blockbusters.

 

No! A24 won't do that me!

[Jay 37,369]

1 hour ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

It would be more impressive if the director used Zimmer to create a soundtrack 

 

He did. 

[Thor 7,508]

Would be interesting to hear the actual track at some point. Or an A.I.'s attempt at any composer's style, to be honest. This whole thing is both scary and endlessly fascinating at the same time.

 

Incidentally, I'm looking forward to the film itself (i.e. THE CREATOR), per the article. Will be seeing it on Monday. The combo of post-apocalypse, Gareth Edwards, Hans Zimmer and A.I. is very tantalizing indeed. Some of my favourite things all at once.

[TolkienSS 407]

If Edwards chose, recorded, and released that music without saying it's AI, 80% of Zimmer afficiandos would give it praise, and it would get an easy 3.5 stars from loads of reviewers.

[Jurassic Shark 12,079]

An AI imitating an AI? How meta.

[Bayesian 1,363]

24 minutes ago, Thor said:

Would be interesting to hear the actual track at some point. Or an A.I.'s attempt at any composer's style, to be honest. This whole thing is both scary and endlessly fascinating at the same time.

The scary part of the linked article was the mention of companies that make AI-generated music. These already exist?? Who are they selling to? I can’t believe there’s already a market for them. 

[Naïve Old Fart 9,537]

I've been listening to some A.I. versions of pop songs (Freddie Mercury sings "Skyfall"; Frank Sinatra sings "Billie Jean" - I shit you, not!). 

They either sound exactly like they are - bad copies - or utterly superfluous and devoid of any human element. The sad thing is that a lot of people will listen to these, and think "Ooh, that's good", when, in reality, they are abominations.

It seems that some people are far more willing to engage with all things artificial, than they are with anything human.

[Marian Schedenig 8,200]

How many AIs do you need to create a proper Hans Zimmer score? More or fewer than the number of human composers you'd need?

[Edmilson 7,466]

If a composer has an identifiable style, it's probably not that hard for an AI to imitate their sound. In a matter of a few years, a well trained AI could approximate, for example, an Alan Silvestri action score or a "spooky" Danny Elfman score or maybe even Williams' Star Wars stylistics.

 

Of course, it wouldn't be as good as the real thing written by the actual composers. But since when Hollywood producers are looking for quality? If they can pay an AI company less than half of what they'd pay for recording an actual Silvestri, Elfman or Williams score, then why not? 

 

The future of art as a sustainable way of earning a living is bleak.

[Faleel 5,354]

25 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

I've been listening to some A.I. versions of pop songs (Freddie Mercury sings "Skyfall"; Frank Sinatra sings "Billie Jean" - I shit you, not!). 

They either sound exactly like they are - bad copies - or utterly superfluous and devoid of any human element. The sad thing is that a lot of people will listen to these, and think "Ooh, that's good", when, in reality, they are abominations.

It seems that some people are far more willing to engage with all things artificial, than they are with anything human.

So I shouldn't send you AI Phil Collins singing Calling All Ststion songs then?

[bollemanneke 3,349]

5 hours ago, GerateWohl said:

You must see the relation. A 10/10 Zimmer is approximately a 1/10 Williams.

Yes, and 7/10 Beethoven is 1/10 Bach.

[Koray Savas 2,251]

8 hours ago, Bayesian said:

The scary part of the linked article was the mention of companies that make AI-generated music. These already exist?? Who are they selling to? I can’t believe there’s already a market for them. 

I’d say the necessity for temp music editors is about to be over. 

[Bayesian 1,363]

6 hours ago, bollemanneke said:

Yes, and 7/10 Beethoven is 1/10 Bach.

Don't know where to start with this one, other than, um, not.

[crumbs 14,317]

"Zimmer, he said, found it amusing. Zimmer wasn’t reachable for comment."

 

Says it all, really.

 

 

[JTN 2,030]

11 hours ago, Bayesian said:

Who are they selling to?

Hans Zimmer?…

[Naïve Old Fart 9,537]

So.. Zimmer writes music, which is ripped-off by A.I., and is then sold back to Zimmer, who releases it, only for it to be ripped off by A I., again 

 

[GerateWohl 4,370]

I could imagine using A.I. for these modern generic action cues.

You have a 4:35 action sequence. And you provide

1. the length
2. category "action: chase"
3. a number of synch points for the edits
4. Style: "Zimmer" or "Balfe"
5. a basic theme (optional)

And that's it. Nobody can tell me, that this is something that requires the actual human spirt. Because that is usually simply already not audible.

[JTN 2,030]

2 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

So.. Zimmer writes music, which is ripped-off by A.I., and is then sold back to Zimmer, who releases it, only for it to be ripped off by A I., again 

 

It’s the circle of life.

[DarthDementous 1,059]

Why are we referring to Gareth Edwards as a 'Disney director'?

[Jay 37,369]

Yea Koray's thread title wording is strange

[Faleel 5,354]

2 minutes ago, Jay said:

Yea Koray's thread title wording is strange

Koray had little to do with it, it's straight from the article.

[Jay 37,369]

I know, but that doesn't mean you can't change it for the audience here

[Faleel 5,354]

Just now, Jay said:

I know, but that doesn't mean you can't change it for the audience here

Nobody got time for that shit.

 

 

 

 

[Muad'Dib 1,802]

45 minutes ago, DarthDementous said:

Why are we referring to Gareth Edwards as a 'Disney director'?

 

Was thinking the same thing

[Ollie 1,059]

That was a very disappointing read considering he used Desplat and Giacchino for his previous films. 
 

And as much as I dislike Zimmer’s output, it’s a slap in the face to him as well.

[Thor 7,508]

10 minutes ago, Ollie said:

That was a very disappointing read considering he used Desplat and Giacchino for his previous films. 

 

Nah. It was a relief that they weren't involved this time.

 

10 minutes ago, Ollie said:

And as much as I dislike Zimmer’s output, it’s a slap in the face to him as well.

 

....and vice versa, this was a tremendous treat. I've been hoping for Edwards and Zimmer to get together on a project.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,537]

1 hour ago, Ollie said:

... as much as I dislike Zimmer’s output, it’s a slap in the face to him as well.

 

It could be seen as an example of how easy it is to copy (some would say "emulate") Zimmer's work.

I'd like to hear some A.I. "emulate" "The Asteroid Field', or "The Battle Of Both".

[Koray Savas 2,251]

Blumenkohl predicted this years ago. Music and math are very similar. I guarantee AI could compose a solid Star Wars imitation. 

[Alex 2,835]

There are certain scores I have listened to which I think soon will easily be able to be replicated by AI.

 

For me Powell’s Mars Needs Moms just sounds so generically Powell. The end credits are easily something AI could have come up with if you’d fed hours of Powell’s music through it.

[MedigoScan 324]

The score for certain Star Trek shows sounds very AI to me too if you think about it that way.

[HunterTech 994]

3 hours ago, Ollie said:

That was a very disappointing read considering he used Desplat and Giacchino for his previous films. 
 

And as much as I dislike Zimmer’s output, it’s a slap in the face to him as well.

 

I really don't understand this thinking because he never has worked with one composer more than once. Hell, given his first movie (Monsters) was composed by Jon Hopkins, I'd argue Zimmer is more appropriate for his initial sensibilities than the two he's more known for working with on pre-existing franchises.

 

But then I suppose an immediate response would be "well why didn't he offer The Creator to him then?" :p

[Faleel 5,354]

2 minutes ago, HunterTech said:

 

I really don't understand this thinking because he never has worked with one composer more than once. Hell, given his first movie (Monsters) was composed by Jon Hopkins, I'd argue Zimmer is more appropriate for his initial sensibilities than the two he's more known for working with on pre-existing franchises.

 

But then I suppose an immediate response would be "well why didn't he offer The Creator to him then?" :p

What does that have to do with AI being a slap in the face?

[HunterTech 994]

7 minutes ago, Signals said:

What does that have to do with AI being a slap in the face?

 

It's a little confusingly worded then if his post was about disrespecting his previous collaborators in attempting to use AI, since it more just looked like the fact he didn't work with them at all is the issue.

 

I did miss the comment about it disrespecting Zimmer too, so I definitely had a previous conversation yesterday still in the brain when writing this. 

[Stark 316]

I can’t believe nobody has pondered the possibilities of using AI to create new Horner music. It shouldn’t be hard!

[Alex 2,835]

3 hours ago, Stark said:

I can’t believe nobody has pondered the possibilities of using AI to create new Horner music. It shouldn’t be hard!

Maybe that’s what Franglen did to create Avatar 2…

[MaxMovieMan 273]

Hopefully future strikes can stop the use of AI like this in film if more directors decide to go down this path. Very scary.

[iamleyeti 114]

Very disappoint by Edwards. What a crass move and honestly I wouldn't be responding well to someone telling me "oh I tried an AI version of you and it was good, but I'd rather work with you now".