Jay 37,364 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 Since this suite was released today, I've been surprised to see a pretty divergent reception to it on this forum with many instantly loving it, and many instantly being put off by it. So let's get a poll going to see what JWFan thinks! Please share what it is you like or don't like about it after voting! Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 5* it's up there in Williams top pieces of the past 20 years. Demondm810 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 I gave it a 4, but I think that's being a bit generous. I haven't liked the introductory fanfare since I first heard it. There is a cool NBC News/Black Sunday-esque sort of scherzo (?) in there that I quite like. Overall, it's perfectly fine as a music loop for entering this area of Disneyland, but it may be that a spaceport with alien mercenaries or whatever just wasn't as good an inspiration for music as say, the Avatar land. This is something they can play to beckon you to walk through the tunnel, but I'm hoping there's more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 At the end of the first day of release, after I've listened to it 6 or 7 times (but not since this morning), I'm at 3 stars currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,658 Posted May 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 3, 2019 Also a 5. I think it is a near-perfect synthesis of the SW sound from the OT, PT, and ST, while also having a theme distinct from its antecedents. As the Lehman analysis notes, it is a rare moment of Williams adhering to a sonata form; the piece is very structured and cohesive. My only complaint is the transition from the opening fanfare to the high strings. It sounds like a measure or two were edited out or something. Yavar Moradi, _deleted_ and Will 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 37 minutes ago, Tom said: My only complaint is the transition from the opening fanfare to the high strings. It sounds like a measure or two were edited out or something. I'd rather have the fanfare in there no matter what Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted May 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 4, 2019 KM loves it. I'm happy for you. Really. I am. Disco Stu, Cerebral Cortex and Not Mr. Big 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 I like the piece. I gave it a 4. The only thing it really lacks is striking melodic invention. Chen G. and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 I am about as impressed with this as I was his Solo theme. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 It's better than I remember it being. It still feels a little like Williams scraps put together. But expertly crafted, as always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_deleted_ 203 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 9 hours ago, Tom said: Also a 5. I think it is a near-perfect synthesis of the SW sound from the OT, PT, and ST, while also having a theme distinct from its antecedents. As the Lehman analysis notes, it is a rare moment of Williams adhering to a sonata form; the piece is very structured and cohesive. My only complaint is the transition from the opening fanfare to the high strings. It sounds like a measure or two were edited out or something. and usually Williams ends his pomp and circumstance pieces with a blast, why do I hear some echoes after the typical John Williams ending? They sound electronic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 I gave it 3 stars, with the best part being the first ten seconds. It sounds more like a typical JW non-film short piece like those found on his American Journey CD. _deleted_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 I think its a good piece. Its delightful to see Williams' magnum opus (that being, his work on the Star Wars franchise) extend beyond the film scores into concert pieces and now even a theme park theme music. **** out of ***** Cerebral Cortex and Arpy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arpy 4,145 Posted May 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 4, 2019 I don't think it's 5* but definitely a brilliant piece, it just makes me wish that with all the money behind Star Wars that we could get an entire album of these pieces and if given the same backing, what Williams might've done for the Wizarding World theme parks! To write for Potter after all these years we might've been able to hear what might've been for him to do later Potter films! Cerebral Cortex, Pieter Boelen and Chen G. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 So to you 4 is brilliant? JoeinAR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: It sounds more like a typical JW non-film short piece like those found on his American Journey CD. yeah, it sounds more like his celebratory fanfares than a film music piece...but actually one of his best one yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_deleted_ 203 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 31 minutes ago, King Mark said: yeah, it sounds more like his celebratory fanfares than a film music piece...but actually one of his best one yet With a fugal edge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,513 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 . SteveMc and Bayesian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 I made a poll but it's in Other Topics for now until a mod changes it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 I'd honestly scrolled past all mention of this till right now as my brain had already decided it must be something related to a new Samsung smart device and so therefore of no interest to me. I'll have a listen later though, although I'm guessing it's not going to be anything too special being that it was only written for a theme park ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 4, 2019 There's some good themepark music though. My fav must be this little Goldsmith gem: SteveMc, Gruesome Son of a Bitch, Yavar Moradi and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smaug The Iron 515 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 3. It is Okey, it is something I can listen to more times but it's not one of my favorite suites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrScratch 294 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 3 - It's a pretty solid piece of music. It may grow on me more after more listens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 The Soarin' Over California (Goldsmith), Pandora and Captain EO (Horner) scores are incredible. As we all know, the E.T. Adventure score is probably the gold standard of theme park music by these composers of primarily film music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 What is this, sorry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,690 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 3* Perfectly fine piece of music but there's nothing particularly special about it. I'm unlikely to listen to it much more. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 20 hours ago, King Mark said: 5* it's up there in Williams top pieces of the past 20 years. I agree with @King Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 A pretty “meh” 3/5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Mark 3,631 Posted May 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 4, 2019 I don't know what's wrong with some of you rating it "meh" This piece is like the essence of JW concentrated into one cue Fabulin, Gruesome Son of a Bitch, Pieter Boelen and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,690 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 It's just.... not really that interesting to me. Don't see another way to put it really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Five Tones 302 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 3.5 (3 for the vote) - hard to rate against more substantial work, quite generic in the opening statement of the main theme, perhaps intentionally given the context. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 I listened it few times this morning and I don’t hear any real connection with Star Wars. So what’s the purpose? And how you could call a piece of music of less than 5 minutes long a Symphonic « Suite »? Gi’me a break. The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 I didn't have a chance to listen to it until tonight. After three listens, it seems nice enough. Not sure yet if it's much more than that though. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted May 4, 2019 Author Share Posted May 4, 2019 I find it interesting how polarizing this piece continues to be! Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 A curious phenomenon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 Idk, polarizing is a very relative term here when the low end is 3/5 “it’s fine” type reviews. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 For a JW piece, 3/5 is staggering. It's like it's Giacchino or something! The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted May 4, 2019 Author Share Posted May 4, 2019 Yea I guess I meant the discussion more than the voting. The voting is pretty positive but the discussion is like totally split. Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, SteveMc said: For a JW piece, 3/5 is staggering. It's like it's Giacchino or something! I actually prefer Giacchino's music from Space Mountain now that you mention it. I forgot about that one. Ollie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 Disney Era Star Wars Concert Pieces Ranked 1. The Jedi Steps and Finale 2. Rey’s Theme 3. March of the Resistance 4. Scherzo for X-Wings 5. The Rebellion is Reborn 6. The Adventures of Han 7. Galaxy’s Edge 8. The Jedi Steps 9. Adagio I like all of these, just some more than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Disney Era Star Wars Concert Pieces Ranked My list would be similar: 1. The Jedi Steps and Finale 2. Rey's Theme 3. The Adventures of Han 4. March of the Resistance 5. The Rebellion is Reborn 6. Galaxy's Edge 7. Scherzo for X-Wings 8. The Jedi Steps 9. Adagio SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Ghostbusters II said: I actually prefer Giacchino's music from Space Mountain now that you mention it. I forgot about that one. Something more than a little cheesy about that one. 1 minute ago, Disco Stu said: Disney Era Star Wars Concert Pieces Ranked 1. The Jedi Steps and Finale 2. Rey’s Theme 3. March of the Resistance 4. Scherzo for X-Wings 5. The Rebellion is Reborn 6. The Adventures of Han 7. Galaxy’s Edge 8. The Jedi Steps 9. Adagio I like all of these, just some more than others. My ranking has parallels. 1. The Jedi Steps and Finale 2. March of the Resistance 3. Rey's Theme 4. The Adventures of Han 5.Adagio 6.Scherzo For X-Wings 7.The Rebellion is Reborn 8.Galaxy's Edge 9. The Jedi Steps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: Disney Era Star Wars Concert Pieces Ranked I might just put them in the same order. Possibly. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: I might just put them in the same order. Possibly. I think I rate the March and the Scherzo higher than some. Those pieces are just so dynamic and entertaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 I give it a 3. Its much like the buildup for Botanicus, doesn’t live up to the hype. Not very Star Wars sounding. Fabulin, JoeinAR and Jurassic Shark 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,043 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Quantitative ratings are tough for me when it comes to music, but my gut says 4 or 4.5 in the scope of Williams' works. Not exactly top-rung, but certainly very enjoyable. The longer alternate opening heard in this official release is just incredible - that fanfare is definitely my favorite passage. It may be one of my favorite things he's written this decade. SteveMc and The Five Tones 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Five Tones 302 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 The opening chord and fanfare does indeed stick around in your head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 How I like it? Well done, with a glass of red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 I'll base my rating on 2 factors averaged. 1. Based on Tiers of JW's works only, Tier 1-5: I'll put it at Tier 1 compared to everything else's he's done. Firstly, can't say that it's inventive or unique when compared to just about any score he's written, and as someone pointed out, JW's known for absolute stunning melodic work (ie. The Banquet, Raiders, E.T., Star Wars, Jurassic Park). This melodic writing, which is a portion of this rating, is mostly flat and indiscernible. The orchestration on the other hand, compared to what he usually does (ie. lots of unique and thrilling fantasies and emotions) this orchestration is just 'okay' to me in its provocation which keeps it at Tier 1 Williams. It has reminiscence to the prequel SWs, but I like them better based on other reasons. I think if Williams wrote a sister-suite in a different style, I may enjoy it more. 2. Based on all works by all musicians, Tier 1-5: I'll put it at Tier 2. Williams is indeed my favorite musician, since he takes so many of the best inventions from the past and makes something incredibly memorable and beautiful by combining and reworking them, or sometimes something deeply mood-provoking, but the theme or evocation of this piece is not really my favorite style. In fact the introduction (not the rest) sounds like an average composer's work. Average: 1.5 Final rounded rating: 2⭐ (I'll round up because it's John the Bomb Williams and I will always put him in + favor) Ii2, Fabulin and Joni Wiljami 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ii2 210 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Hey, that actually wasn’t that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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