Holko 9,532 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 So, an inevitable Star Wars rescored by Powell video: 00:00-01:58: Blasting Off - edited Corellia Chase+Meet Han 01:58-04:10 The Battle of Yavin - Into the Maw heavily edited at the end 04:10-06:52 The Ewok Battle - Break In (no edits, it happened to line up like this) 06:52-07:26 Into the Death Star - edited Adventures of Han Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 His score would certainly have been more at the front of the mix in those old days, that's for sure Kasey Kockroach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,515 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 2 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Wow! Leigh Phillips for the win, as always. I don't get it. Is that his transcription of the score? Or was he involved in the orchestration of the score...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, Loert said: I don't get it. Is that his transcription of the score? Or was he involved in the orchestration of the score...? I think he's transcribing for fun. And I thought it was cool. Loert 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrayodiBA 517 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 My god, Into the maw has reached to the top for the best track of this score When the chaotic xylophone (?) bit kicks in (and onward), it becomes GLORIOUS I can feel the real struggle of the orchestra player. They were truly tested to their limit! And the music, albeit chaotic, you can easily feel the rhythm, the passion, and thats what i love the most about this cue Well my question, is there any cue from any composer in which the orchestra is truly pushed to the limit? I think.... none Mitth'raw'nuorodo and Kasey Kockroach 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Phew! Finally caught up on this thread. So this is the chronological order? 01 02 Meet Han (2:20) 02 03 Corellia Chase (3:34) 03 04 Spaceport (4:07) 04 05 Flying with Chewie (3:30) 05 06 Train Heist (4:48) 06 07 Marauders Arrive (5:14) 07 08 Chicken in the Pot (2:09) 08 09 Is This Seat Taken? (2:36) 09 10 L3 & Millennium Falcon (3:16) 10 11 Lando's Closet (2:13) 11 12 Mine Mission (4:10) 12 13 Break Out (6:15) 13 15 Reminiscence Therapy (6:13) 14 16 Into the Maw (4:49) 15 14A [0:00-1:51] The Good Guy (1:51) 16 17 Savareen Stand-Off (4:26) 17 14B [1:51-end] "We'll Win" (3:33) 18 19 Testing Allegiance (4:21) 19 18 Good Thing You Were Listening (2:08) 20 20 Dice & Roll (1:54) Place wherever you like: 01 The Adventures of Han (3:49) Smaug The Iron and CGCJ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,532 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Yes, seems like it. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 I wonder why Powell swapped tracks 18 and 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,532 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Maybe he thought the big Crimson Dawn fanfare was a stronger ending than the tragic Love Theme? I dunno, Listening would give you time to wind down from Allegiance before jumping to the finale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,532 Posted May 31, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2018 This is growing to be one of my favourite moments: Spoiler These giant, hairy man-sized beasts freed from their shackles, violently smashing any guard in sight, scored so magically it could pass as Short Round Escapes or something. Powell knows Wookies are adorable and immensely lovable. (Or is it the moment when they push up the cart?) Taikomochi, Not Mr. Big and Kasey Kockroach 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Spoiler I know that joyous fanfare at the beginning is when Chewie saves Han just as the guards were about to catch up to him. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Figured it out. Wanted to share this. Spoiler The Falcon is revealed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 On a computer, you right-click the video and select "Copy Video URL at current time" On mobile, I'm sure it's something similar in the share button options Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,532 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 19 minutes ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: Hide contents The Falcon is revealed. Yeah, this is also great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrayodiBA 517 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 I also love how the flute play at this bit... ...directly borrows from Powell's own classical piece I cant wait for the Hubris album! This shall prove to those who underestimate Powell's writing ability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aescalle 122 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Is someone paid attention to the End Credis suite? What are the included themes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, aescalle said: Is someone paid attention to the End Credis suite? What are the included themes? 23 hours ago, GiacchinoCues said: So just to clarify, the end credits is comprised of portions of: Dice & Roll into Star Wars main theme Reminiscence Therapy Flying With Chewie Lando’s Closet Mine Mission Corellia Chase Flying With Chewie (again) Jay and aescalle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aescalle 122 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Thank you Disco Stu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indianagirl 298 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 I didn't really care for the score the first time I heard it in film.....but the more I listen the more this score is really growing on me. Especially Meet Han, Flying With Chewie, Lando's Closet, Savareen Standoff, and Good thing you were listening. It's a very enjoyable little score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 6 hours ago, Not Mr. Big said: I'm so glad we live in the timeline where we got the Williams/Powell Solo score as opposed to the one with the Giacchino solo score. Luckily for you I don't think Giacchino was free anyway to do Solo, nor was he asked. So no need to lose any sleep... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 And hopefully will never be asked again! Kasey Kockroach and Breadstick Basilisk 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 I've never held any real contempt for a score or composer the way you do with Giacchino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Fun little reference I finally correlated; knew it was from one of Williams' scores: Guess The Last Jedi was fresh in Powell's mind during writing. I wonder if he got to listen to the raw recording sessions? Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,641 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 minute ago, crumbs said: Fun little reference I finally correlated; knew it was from one of Williams' scores: Guess The Last Jedi was fresh in Powell's mind during writing. I wonder if he got to listen to the raw recording sessions? That trumpet do-Ditty is in the Williams track too. There are also a ton a similar sounding "trumpet stabs" sprinkled all over TLJ too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,293 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Yeah, that one's verbatim from "Adventures of Han" so more like Last Jedi was fresh in Williams's mind But I feel like there have gotta be similar riffs in the other 7 scores too Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 9 hours ago, Arpy said: I've never held any real contempt for a score or composer the way you do with Giacchino. I don’t even dislike him that much but it’s fun to watch the fanboys cry when anyone says anything mean about him. He’s not a bad composer he’s just an average and entirely forgettable one and generates far too much praise for his output from some quarters. He he does not deserve to be scoring Star Wars films. Not Mr. Big and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Oh dear, I often encounter those types of fans who think Giacchino soiled Star Wars, their precious fandom, just the same as the groan of the entitled few who thought Powell and his supposed 'Zimmerisms' had no business in scoring a Star Wars film. Well, okay, who the fuck do you think you are? The fact Giacchino generates praise isn't some anomalous feat, or the fact that you find his music forgettable is some indication that he's an 'average' composer. And no, whilst I don't cry at the fact that you (in particular and without fail) find every opportunity to shit on him, nor do I lose any sleep over it, I actually feel that whilst I'm on here and see this growing trend that I'm not going to simply stay quiet. I mean, before this thread existed who didn't know the general consensus on what people here thought about Giacchino and his score for Rogue One? Isn't it the case that there is more anti-Giacchino sentiment here than those who praise him? 31 minutes ago, Bilbo said: I don’t even dislike him that much but it’s fun to watch the fanboys cry when anyone says anything mean about him. He’s not a bad composer he’s just an average and entirely forgettable one and generates far too much praise for his output from some quarters. He he does not deserve to be scoring Star Wars films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Does the love theme remind anyone else of We May Never Love Like This Again from The Towering Inferno? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,695 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 I've had a few days of absorbing this score, and my thoughts are: I love JW's theme - hummable and memorable. The problem this gives me is that as it's all over the score, it feels like Powell had the opportunity removed of creating a score with his own theme interwoven. I like everything about The Adventures of Han *except* the false ending. I don't see why JW did that. Powell's themes are really good and used nicely throughout. I was initially excited about Reminiscence Therapy but the problem is that it jumps way too quickly between JW quotes and JP's material. Just constant ping-ponging between them and it never lets any idea breathe. I think Powell should've avoided including the crowd-pleasing quotes and just written an original cue. Barely noticing Powell's percussion. It doesn't ruin anything for me personally. Chicken in the Pot: I have no idea what this is and it does nothing for me. Source music? I didn't initially like the Marauders' theme (the choir is an unusual approach) but hearing it in low key mode later on works rather well. It's tracks like Savareen Stand-Off where for me Powell's approach is more to my taste than what JW would've done. This cue is a million times more interesting than much of AotC's underscore. Overall I think he's done a way better job than Giacchino, although under considerably easier conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Arpy said: Oh dear, I often encounter those types of fans who think Giacchino soiled Star Wars, their precious fandom, just the same as the groan of the entitled few who thought Powell and his supposed 'Zimmerisms' had no business in scoring a Star Wars film. Well, okay, who the fuck do you think you are? The fact Giacchino generates praise isn't some anomalous feat, or the fact that you find his music forgettable is some indication that he's an 'average' composer. And no, whilst I don't cry at the fact that you (in particular and without fail) find every opportunity to shit on him, nor do I lose any sleep over it, I actually feel that whilst I'm on here and see this growing trend that I'm not going to simply stay quiet. I mean, before this thread existed who didn't know the general consensus on what people here thought about Giacchino and his score for Rogue One? Isn't it the case that there is more anti-Giacchino sentiment here than those who praise him? I was not one bit worried about Powell. I knew he’d do a good job. Because he’s a good composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 2 hours ago, Richard Penna said: Chicken in the Pot: I have no idea what this is and it does nothing for me. Source music? It's the music that plays when they first meet with Vos on his yacht. I don't like it either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,532 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 At first I didn't, either, but as an experiment, I listened to it about 15 times in a loop, then it got into my head and I started loving it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Star Wars music desperately needs more singing space lesbians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,532 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Their harmony is very interesting, and I like how one of them makes the language sound French, the other Japanese. The strings are also great. DarthDementous and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 It was very funny in the context of the movie. The character designs were hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 21 hours ago, Jay said: I wonder why Powell swapped tracks 18 and 19 Because he could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 6 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Because he could. He's gone mad with power! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 4 hours ago, Damien F said: Does the love theme remind anyone else of We May Never Love Like This Again from The Towering Inferno? To me, it is more in spirit with the main melody of Williams's Elegy for Cello and Orchestra. Just reminds me of it, that's all. Faleel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Giacchino: Well golly gee whiz, doing Rogue One sure was a hoot! Can't wait to do another Star Wars picture! Williams: Sorry, Mike...I'm seeing someone else. I think he's better suited for Star Wars than you are. Giacchino: N-No...John, you..y-you can't mean that! Williams: I mean, we have the same first name! It's clearly meant to be! Giacchino: I thought WE were meant to be! I'M the next John Williams! ME! MMMEEEE! Williams: You can still do Jurassic, if you'd like. Trevorrow (signing a contract with John Powell): Er, actually, about that... Jurassic Shark and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2018 I still don't buy the narrative of Williams being so unhappy with Giacchino's Rogue One score that he decided to take a hands-on role with Solo. What makes more sense to me is Williams being unhappy with the whole situation of a composer being fired and bringing on a last-minute replacement in a franchise he's so personally connected to and deciding to help ensure a smooth scoring process for the next one. cameron.osborn, Kasey Kockroach and Arpy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 I agree, I just like the idea of Powell and Giacchino competing for Williams' attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdown 238 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 The suite everyone's been waiting for! Mr. Who 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 On 5/31/2018 at 4:51 PM, PrayodiBA said: Well my question, is there any cue from any composer in which the orchestra is truly pushed to the limit? I think.... none Raisuli Attacks by Jerry Goldsmith immediately comes to mind. Especially the crazy brass at 1:19 Cerebral Cortex and Loert 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 I saw it again today and the score sounded better this time, as in not as buried by sound effects other than the train sequence. I still don't know Powell's themes. I couldn't tell you what Chewie's or the love theme sound like. Where exactly in the film do tracks 17-19 from the soundtrack occur? I never heard the piano from Testing Allegiances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTR1701 59 Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 On 5/25/2018 at 12:46 PM, leeallen01 said: And my overall desire to have a Composer do the film themselves and not inherit the key aspects of a score from another. Whether it's the master or not. These scores don't just exist in a vacuum. They complement films which are part of a larger universe and that universe has already been musically established. It would be odd indeed for a STAR WARS score to be completely divorced from the larger universe to which it belongs. It's like questioning why every movie has to have stormtroopers in it, or the Force, or the Empire. The answer is obvious: because it's STAR WARS. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 It was an alright score, but nothing to write home about. Not like that time The Wreckers performed "Strawberry Wine". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Breadstick Basilisk 108 Posted June 2, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 2, 2018 Han (Hero) "Meet Han" 0:10 "Corellia Chase" 0:05; 0:26; 1:33 "Flying with Chewie" 1:34 "Train Heist" 4:10 "Marauders Arrive" 1:28 "Is This Seat Taken?" 0:10; 0:25; 1:20; 1:45 "Mine Mission" 2:27; 3:21 "Break Out" 1:23; 1:51; 3:13 "The Good Guy" 2:43 "Reminiscence Therapy" 0:35; 3:54; 4:12 "Into the Maw" 1:07; 1:53; 3:57 "Savareen Stand-Off" 4:03 "Testing Allegiance" 0:42; 1:45 "Dice & Roll" 1:31 Han (Searching) "Meet Han" 0:48; 1:25; 1:50 "Corellia Chase" 0:47; 1:57; 2:43 "Spaceport" 0:06; 0:14; 0:25; 3:17 "Train Heist" 3:49 "Marauders Arrive" 4:41 "Break Out" 2:12 "Into the Maw" 2:02; 4:31 "Dice & Roll" 1:18 Gang "Flying with Chewie" 0:39; 0:57 "Train Heist" 1:46; 2:31; 2:54; 3:53; 4:23 "Marauders Arrive" 3:12; 3:26; 4:30 "Is This Seat Taken?" 0:36 "L3 & Millennium Falcon" 2:26 "Break Out" 2:32; 3:49 "The Good Guy" 1:51 "Into the Maw" 1:38; 2:13; 2:43; 2:56 "Testing Allegiance" 0:21 Love Theme "Spaceport" 1:56; 2:08; 2:43 "Lando's Closet" 0:18; 0:52; 1:26 "The Good Guy" 0:21; 1:11; 3:21 "Into the Maw" 1:39 "Savareen Stand-Off" 3:46 "Good Thing You Were Listening" 1:17 "Testing Allegiance" 2:11; 2:36; 3:27 Chewie "Flying with Chewie" 0:10; 1:11; 2:15 "Train Heist" 0:46 "Marauders Arrive"Â 4:07 "Mine Mission" 2:05 "Break Out" 0:43 "Reminiscence Therapy" 2:53 "Good Thing You Were Listening" 1:45 L3 "L3 & Millennium Falcon" 0:03; 0:26 "Mine Mission" 0:00; 1:57; 2:31 "Break Out" 0:11; 4:10; 4:53 "Reminiscence Therapy" 1:10; 5:23 "Into the Maw" 1:43 Enfys Nest "Marauders Arrive" 0:00; 0:46; 0:57; 4:33 "Is This Seat Taken?" 0:44 "L3 & Millennium Falcon" 2:46 "Savareen Stand-Off" 0:33; 2:30 -Cloud Riders action theme "Marauders Arrive" 0:23; 2:16 "The Good Guy" 4:54 Secrets "Meet Han" 0:00 "Spaceport" 3:39 "Lando's Closet" 1:05 "The Good Guy" 0:46; 2:59; 3:19; 3:38; 4:08 "Savareen Stand-Off" 3:19 "Good Thing You Were Listening" 0:52 "Testing Allegiance" 3:45 Coaxium "Train Heist" 2:45 "Mine Mission" 3:44 "Break Out" 5:40 ------------------------------------------ Rebel Fanfare "Is This Seat Taken?" 1:59 "L3 & Millennium Falcon" 1:59 "Reminiscence Therapy" 0:49; ("Here They Come!": 1:55; 2:08); 3:20; 4:35 "Into the Maw" 4:18; 4:36 "Dice & Roll" 0:57; 1:10 Main Theme "Corellia Chase" 3:14 "L3 & Millennium Falcon" 1:38 "Reminiscence Therapy" 3:14; 4:44 "Into the Maw" 3:47; 4:08 Imperial Motif "Train Heist" 3:34; 4;03 Death Star Motif "Reminiscence Therapy" 0:02 "Mouse Robot and Blasting Off" "Reminiscence Therapy" 0:06 "Attacking a Star Destroyer" "Reminiscence Therapy" 0:26; 0:38 "Here They Come!" "Reminiscence Therapy" 1:42 "The Asteroid Field" "Reminiscence Therapy" 2:39; 3:33 Cerebral Cortex, Alex Shore, mstrox and 13 others 10 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CelMech 8 Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Found another statement of the coaxium riff that plays when Beckett and Han open the train: I also hear hints of it during Into the Maw. Breadstick Basilisk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 The sequence from 1:48 all the way to 2:31 in "Mine Mission" is just gorgeous. The most elegant passage of music Star Wars has gotten since The Phantom Menace (in Anakin Is Free). The gentle rhythm, the sublime contrast between the Holst-esque section leading into Chewy's theme. Just wonderful. It punches above even the most beautiful sections of "The Scavenger," which remains the best new Star Wars track. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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