pete 907 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Anne-Sophie was just diagnosed with the Corona virus. She posted a video on Facebook. She seems in good spirits, just described feeling lazy. https://www.facebook.com/annesophiemutter/videos/1278304599033992/ bollemanneke, Smaug The Iron, crumbs and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eitam 364 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 uh-oh - hope she'll refrain from sending cookies to JW during the next 2 weeks crumbs and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Well shit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Time to get a refund for the June concert. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martinland 360 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Let us wish her to get well in a couple of weeks - let us hope for the best. She made us feel so wonderful a couple of months ago, but we cannot help her feel wonderful again. /me raises glass. To ASM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Calm down, Martin. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 I wonder what prompted ASM to get tested... She didn't seem to be coughing in that video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Coughing isnt neccessarily are indication of COVID-2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martinland 360 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 48 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Calm down, Martin. What? Not OK to wish somebody well now? *scratches*head* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, Martinland said: What? Not OK to wish somebody well now? *scratches*head* I meant with the glass! Martinland 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 8 hours ago, Will said: I wonder what prompted ASM to get tested... She didn't seem to be coughing in that video. The amount of travelling she did in the last few weeks, I'd reckon Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,109 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Off topic but did anyone see Anne-Sophie Mutter's facebook video? Apparently she has revealed that she also tested positive for COVID-19. Hoping she recovers quickly and gets well soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Just now, Amer said: Off topic but did anyone see Anne-Sophie Mutter's facebook video https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/31908-jw-is-writing-a-new-violin-concerto-for-anne-sophie-mutter/&do=findComment&comment=1703831 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,109 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Sad and concerned about all this. Im sure our Maestro himself is taking extra extra care at his age. Im sure he is spending quality time working at the piano keeping himself busy. 😊 And wishing everyone here safe health. As a banker managing a Contact Center I have to ensure all necessary precautions despite coming to work in my office with a major lock down in my city. Its a lot of risk but the support is essential. Be safe, everyone else. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, Amer said: Im sure our Maestro himself is taking extra extra care at his age. Bill Ross has to wash his hands every time he visits. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,658 Posted March 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 27, 2020 On 3/27/2020 at 11:41 AM, Amer said: Sad and concerned about all this. Im sure our Maestro himself is taking extra extra care at his age. Im sure he is spending quality time working at the piano keeping himself busy. 😊 And wishing everyone here safe health. As a banker managing a Contact Center I have to ensure all necessary precautions despite coming to work in my office with a major lock down in my city. Its a lot of risk but the support is essential. Be safe, everyone else. Let's face it, if Williams' daily routine is as he states in his interviews, the man has been practicing social distancing since long before the rest of us were born. crlbrg, Martinland, Amer and 3 others 1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 Well I for one will look forward to Johnny's new Violin Concerto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 On 3/27/2020 at 7:33 PM, Tom said: Let's face it, if Williams daily routine is as he states in his interviews, the man has been practicing social distancing since long before the rest of us were born. Let's just hope Daisy keeps her distance. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SyncMan 314 Posted April 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 1, 2021 Just announced Saturday, September 25, 2021 Dallas Symphony Orchestra. Fabio Luisi, conductor Anne-Sophie Mutter, violin https://www.dallassymphony.org/discover-connect/dso-vault/read/press-releases/dallas-symphony-orchestra-announces-programming-for-2021-22-concert-season/ Quote from press release: Quote 2021 Dallas Symphony Orchestra Gala – September 25, 2021 with Special Guest Artist Anne-Sophie Mutter Fabio Luisi will lead his first DSO Gala on Saturday, September 25, 2021, at the Meyerson. Luisi and the DSO will welcome four-time GRAMMY® winner Anne-Sophie Mutter, who will perform the Dallas premiere of John Williams’s Violin Concerto No. 2. This piece was written specifically for Ms. Mutter and is the second work he has composed for her. The DSO will also perform Richard Strauss’s thrilling Don Juan. Andy Smith and Paul von Wupperfeld will chair the event with Mary and Rich Templeton as Gala Honorary Chairs. Proceeds from the event will benefit the DSO’s education initiatives, most notably the Young Strings and Young Musicians programs. “We are thrilled to chair the gala and raise funds to support the DSO’s education and outreach programs, particularly Young Strings and Young Musicians. These programs help children discover the joy of expressing themselves through music, as well as teaching them about personal responsibility and teamwork,” said Smith. “During the pandemic, the DSO ensured the students continued to receive music lessons, even in a virtual environment. We applaud these efforts and encourage others to join us in providing the DSO with the resources to continue and grow these programs. The DSO has stood with our community, so let’s stand with them,”said von Wupperfeld. Capital One is returning for the sixth year as Gala Concert Sponsor. Full-evening Gala tickets start at $1,250 each and include the pre-concert reception, dinner, premium concert hall seating and the After-Party. For information about full Gala tickets, table purchases and Gala sponsorships, call Tab Boyles at 214.871.4045 or email at Gala@DalSym.com. Holko, Once, crumbs and 4 others 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Cool! @Ricard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 I just hope it's more post-romantic than atonal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,658 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 It notes that it is the Dallas premiere, which pretty much confirms the world premiere will be earlier at Tanglewood. Cool on both fronts. Will and tmarps 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 Concerto for Mutt. 😎 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 9 hours ago, filmmusic said: I just hope it's more post-romantic than atonal... Indeed. Between his first violin concerto and "Markings", I would hope and expect that to be the case for this too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crlbrg 381 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 Wouldn't this technically be VC no. 3? Because of Treesong? Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 Just now, carlborg said: Wouldn't this technically be VC no. 3? Because of Treesong? He's done plenty of cello pieces beyond TREESONG without them being called concertos. I'm guessing there would be parameters in play in order to call it that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 10 hours ago, filmmusic said: I just hope it's more post-romantic than atonal... His concerto no. 1 is atonal but very romantic in my mind. Or do you mean something like Treesong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GerateWohl 4,370 Posted April 2, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 2, 2021 And all that just because of a box of cookies. germaineanne, crlbrg, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 16 minutes ago, Remco said: His concerto no. 1 is atonal but very romantic in my mind. Or do you mean something like Treesong? I would not call the violin concerto atonal by any stretch of the imagination. It's a cross between a romantic language and a modernistic, but doesn't really venture into the atonal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 28 minutes ago, Remco said: His concerto no. 1 is atonal but very romantic in my mind. Or do you mean something like Treesong? I meant something in the vein of Elegy for cello. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted April 2, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 2, 2021 32 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: And all that just because of a box of cookies. Someone should teach him how to disable them. Raiders of the SoundtrArk, GerateWohl and Martinland 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crlbrg 381 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 Do you think it will be long until we get a recording to listen to after the concert? Does the DSO record/broadcast or anything of the sort? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 I'm hoping for an eventual album with the two violin concertos and treesong (runtime permitting). 2 hours ago, Thor said: He's done plenty of cello pieces beyond TREESONG without them being called concertos. I'm guessing there would be parameters in play in order to call it that? Technically it would qualify, being an extended work for soloist and orchestra in 3 movements (side note, are you confusing Treesong with Heartwood? Since the latter is for cello, and in one movement). But a composer is free to call his works what he likes, and "concerto" also carries some connotations of scope, so he may see Treesong as more of an impressionistic (in a loose sense of the word) fantasy or meditation, compared with the more ambitious scope of e.g. the first violin concerto. crlbrg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 I 100% consider TreeSong his Violin Concerto No. 2 WilliamsStarShip2282 and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, ChrisAfonso said: I'm hoping for an eventual album with the two violin concertos and treesong (runtime permitting). Technically it would qualify, being an extended work for soloist and orchestra in 3 movements (side note, are you confusing Treesong with Heartwood? Since the latter is for cello, and in one movement). But a composer is free to call his works what he likes, and "concerto" also carries some connotations of scope, so he may see Treesong as more of an impressionistic (in a loose sense of the word) fantasy or meditation, compared with the more ambitious scope of e.g. the first violin concerto. No, I was thinking about TREESONG. Personally, I don't really consider it a concerto unless it's actually CALLED a concerto. But maybe that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Thor said: I would not call the violin concerto atonal by any stretch of the imagination. It's a cross between a romantic language and a modernistic, but doesn't really venture into the atonal. The concerto is atonal by definition of JW himself in the description of the piece, which is technically true, as it doesn't have a set key signature (C major, D minor, F Sharp major etc), but it moves freely, like much of contemporary orchestral music. Also, Williams described the style of the piece as "romantic atonality" in an interview from the 1980s. Will and Remco 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 Well, it's certainly not my idea of atonal, the way I've been taught the term. Dissonance? Sure, there's some of that. But not atonal in the Webern/Schoenberg/Berg sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 There's many ways to be atonal. As Townerfan touched upon, atonal only means there's no tonal center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted April 2, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 2, 2021 32 minutes ago, Thor said: No, I was thinking about TREESONG. Personally, I don't really consider it a concerto unless it's actually CALLED a concerto. But maybe that's just me. The definition of concerto isn't set in stone, besides being a work for soloist and ensemble. The Classical (1700s) and Romantic (1800s) period pretty much defined what is still the contemporary notion of the concerto, i.e. a major work for soloist and orchestra, usually in three contrasting movements (fast-slow-fast, or slow-fast-slow, in most cases) where thematic development is showcased by the soloist with a set of variations and a virtuosic element often at the forefront in the writing. Finally, they are almost always written witha. specific soloist in mind. Of course many composers went in different directions and didn't follow these rules in strict formal ways, but overall many works for soloist and orchestra follow these aesthetic principles. There are different forms which sometimes cross the line between borders (or purposefully play with the definition of the concerto), such as symphonic works with extended obbligato solo part, or written in concertante style. Imho, TreeSong could very well be labeled as a concerto, but Williams didn't I guess for several reasons. He probably felt that the work doesn't have the same kind of formal structure of the classic violin concertos. Plus, it has a very clear external, almost programmatic reference. However, pieces like the Horn Concerto, or the Bassoon Concerto also have very peculiar structures (both in 5 movements, albeit shorter, instead of three) and an external reference (nature, poems) yet he did call them Concertos. crlbrg, Once, Remco and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: There's many ways to be atonal. As Townerfan touched upon, atonal only means there's no tonal center. Yes, that's the broader definition. I think I was leaning more towards a narrower one. In the liner notes of the ol' Slatkin recording, Williams merely says "although contemporary in style and technique, I think of the piece as within the romantic tradition". Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,658 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 It will probably be in line with the first concerto. However, I could see Mutter pushing him toward something closer to the style of the arrangements he wrote for her--at least in terms of stronger melodic lines. I suppose we will find out soon enough. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Thor said: Yes, that's the broader definition. I think I was leaning more towards a narrower one. In the liner notes of the ol' Slatkin recording, Williams merely says "although contemporary in style and technique, I think of the piece as within the romantic tradition". Atonal literally means having no tonal center or established key signature. This means that the music moves freely between different tonal gravity points, but not necessarily that it sounds dissonant or discordant. Yes, it often produces highly chromatic writing, as the composer is free to change key literally at any moment, so the result is quite often unpredictable and more difficult for the ear accustomed to traditional tonal chord progressions. Perhaps "polytonal" would be a better word to use. I'm pretty sure Williams described the work as atonal in one of his introductory notes for some concert or recording. 1 hour ago, Thor said: Well, it's certainly not my idea of atonal, the way I've been taught the term. Dissonance? Sure, there's some of that. But not atonal in the Webern/Schoenberg/Berg sense. I think you're mixing atonality with serialism, or 12-tone writing, which is a specific thing of its own. Marian Schedenig and GerateWohl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 18 minutes ago, TownerFan said: Atonal literally means having no tonal center or established key signature. This means that the music moves freely between different tonal gravity points, but not necessarily that it sounds dissonant or discordant. Yes, it often produces highly chromatic writing, as the composer is free to change key literally at any moment, so the result is quite often unpredictable and more difficult for the ear accustomed to traditional tonal chord progressions. Perhaps "polytonal" would be a better word to use. There isn't only one set interpretation of 'atonal'. Mine is apparently more specific than just the absence of a tonal centre; it also deals with a particular form of chromatic writing - something far more alienating than the largely romantic violin concerto. IMAGES has atonal elements. Quote I think you're mixing atonality with serialism, or 12-tone writing, which is a specific thing of its own. Not at all. But 'atonal' is frequently used to describe the 12-tone music of the aforementioned composers. Guess the point is that it's a term with some interpretation involved. People are free to call the violin concerto atonal. I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted April 2, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 2, 2021 2 hours ago, TownerFan said: The definition of concerto isn't set in stone, besides being a work for soloist and ensemble. The Classical (1700s) and Romantic (1800s) period pretty much defined what is still the contemporary notion of the concerto, i.e. a major work for soloist and orchestra, usually in three contrasting movements (fast-slow-fast, or slow-fast-slow, in most cases) where thematic development is showcased by the soloist with a set of variations and a virtuosic element often at the forefront in the writing. Finally, they are almost always written witha. specific soloist in mind. Of course many composers went in different directions and didn't follow these rules in strict formal ways, but overall many works for soloist and orchestra follow these aesthetic principles. Don't forget the most important defining feature of the concerto from the classical era and onwards - the sonata form of the first movement. TownerFan, GerateWohl, Remco and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Tom said: It will probably be in line with the first concerto. However, I could see Mutter pushing him toward something closer to the style of the arrangements he wrote for her--at least in terms of stronger melodic lines. I suppose we will find out soon enough. Mutter has been a long term champion of contemporary music and has had works written for her by almost every notable modern composer. She's had her set of film-melodic Williams pieces with Across the Stars. If anything, I'd expect her to push for a less melodic/"traditional" concerto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 But what we'll get is a 30 minutes extended version of the Raiders March, with Mutter playing together with the violin section. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted April 2, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Thor said: There isn't only one set interpretation of 'atonal'. Mine is apparently more specific than just the absence of a tonal centre; it also deals with a particular form of chromatic writing - something far more alienating than the largely romantic violin concerto. IMAGES has atonal elements. Not at all. But 'atonal' is frequently used to describe the 12-tone music of the aforementioned composers. Guess the point is that it's a term with some interpretation involved. People are free to call the violin concerto atonal. I don't. You use the term with a different semantic value, much more for its purely abstract sense. In strict musical theory, atonality has a very specific definition: the absence of functional harmony as its primary structural element, so in this regard it's possible to define Williams' Violin Concerto as atonal. As a result it doesn't necessary means that the piece should sound necessarily dissonant or "alienating". Many works that are atonal in their nature (for example Schoenberg's Pierrot Lunaire) contains moments or passages in which a tonal centre is recognizable. Atonality went through different permutations and it's the consequence of chromaticism (Wagner) and polytonality (Stravinsky), but it was because of its difficulty to sustain large-scale musical developments that Schoenberg devised a new method to compose, i.e. the 12-tone technique, which could be defined as "post-tonal". Jurassic Shark, Remco and Doug Adams 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 We can go back and forth on this forever, Maurizio. I get what you're saying, and I have no problem with you (or Williams himself, for that matter) defining the violin concerto as atonal. In my world, and the rather specific way I've been taught to use the word atonality, however, it doesn't make sense. I group his violin concerto among the handful of accessible, romantic, largely tonal works that also encompass the tuba concerto, the elegy, Five Sacred Trees. Obviously the fanfares, but I don't count those. Vice versa, I group works like the flute concerto, the sinfonietta, Conversations, the scherzo for piano and orchestra, the duo concertante as leaning more towards, or at least flirting with, atonality. I need to keep it that way in order for my brain not to explode, music scholars be damned. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,658 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Marian Schedenig said: Mutter has been a long term champion of contemporary music and has had works written for her by almost every notable modern composer. She's had her set of film-melodic Williams pieces with Across the Stars. If anything, I'd expect her to push for a less melodic/"traditional" concerto. I would agree that this is likely. However, I do remember one of the interviews with her toward the beginning of the arrangement project, she remarked that Williams should write more concert works because of his gift of melody. Plus, he wrote Markings for her, and then she pushed for the film arrangements, and then concerto (man, she really has taken up months of his composing time in the last couple of years). All that being said, I am sure Williams wrote whatever he wanted to write. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 39 minutes ago, Thor said: We can go back and forth on this forever, Maurizio. I get what you're saying, and I have no problem with you (or Williams himself, for that matter) defining the violin concerto as atonal. In my world, and the rather specific way I've been taught to use the word atonality, however, it doesn't make sense. I group his violin concerto among the handful of accessible, romantic, largely tonal works that also encompass the tuba concerto, the elegy, Five Sacred Trees. Obviously the fanfares, but I don't count those. Vice versa, I group works like the flute concerto, the sinfonietta, Conversations, the scherzo for piano and orchestra, the duo concertante as leaning more towards, or at least flirting with, atonality. I need to keep it that way in order for my brain not to explode, music scholars be damned. No problem, I understand your stance. I too often used the term atonal to define dissonant or discordant music. However, music theory can really be a true ally when you start diving into it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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