mstrox 6,651 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 I miss the capital I. artus_grayboot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 9 hours ago, Edmilson said: Zimmer's DC music may be more recognizable, but that doesn't make them good scores. I think I prefer listening to almost every MCU score, memorable or not, than to the drum inferno that is Man of Steel. Man of Steel is way more than a drum inferno. Besides the best MCU movie score is clearly Winter Soldier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted June 19, 2022 Author Share Posted June 19, 2022 21 minutes ago, MedigoScan said: Man of Steel is way more than a drum inferno. "Drum Inferno" could be a good screen name for someone artus_grayboot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondFire 67 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 4 hours ago, mstrox said: I miss the capital I. So do... I artus_grayboot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted June 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 19, 2022 19 hours ago, Mephariel said: culturally cool This is precisely why this sort of music does not work with Star Wars. As said in the Empire of Dreams documentary, having a traditional symphonic score even back in 1977 was somewhat of a risk. But one that was taken, reviving a cultural interest in traditional film scores in the process. The problem is that most "contemporary" music does not last. It might to a specific generation who grew up with it, but these styles will eventually fade into obscurity and be considered old and obsolete. That is clearly not the case with any of John's Star Wars scores however. Everyone is already criticizing Kenobi's score for being too forgettable. And that forgettability is only going to amplify going forward, aside from John's theme. Hans Zimmer's style of writing *can* work under the right circumstances, such as for Dune perhaps, which I assume much like the original is going for a more contemporary approach. But it will not work with Star Wars, ever, as Star Wars was never meant to be contemporary. The political aspects might be based on contemporary issues, but the messages are designed to last, just like the scores. Raiders of the SoundtrArk, HunterTech, igger6 and 6 others 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted June 19, 2022 Author Share Posted June 19, 2022 OK so I watched episode 3 the other night and thought I heard some decent music in the episode? Have you guys sussed out what cues in this episode were probably Ross? I did notice two things that kind of irked me though. Early in the episode, I think around when stormtroopers first show up, there was a theme that sounded like it was trying to be The Imperial March, but wasn't. And at another point, there was a theme that sounded like it was trying to be The Force Theme, but wasn't. I didn't like either of these. I think I remember liking the lightsaber battle music though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Jay said: OK so I watched episode 3 the other night and thought I heard some decent music in the episode? Have you guys sussed out what cues in this episode were probably Ross? I did notice two things that kind of irked me though. Early in the episode, I think around when stormtroopers first show up, there was a theme that sounded like it was trying to be The Imperial March, but wasn't. And at another point, there was a theme that sounded like it was trying to be The Force Theme, but wasn't. I didn't like either of these. I think I remember liking the lightsaber battle music though? Funny you should mention liking the lightsaber duel music; the lightsaber duel is the only thing that I’m 99.999% sure Ross did in that episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Jay said: there was a theme that sounded like it was trying to be The Imperial March, but wasn't. I keep hearing something that sounds a bit like the ANH Imperial motif, just a bit. Maybe that's it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted June 20, 2022 Author Share Posted June 20, 2022 Yea could be, I can't say I focus too deeply on the music the first time I'm watching something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Yeah I don't either. Sometimes things just... "pop out" from time to time. artus_grayboot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DarthDementous 1,059 Posted June 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 20, 2022 3 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: I keep hearing something that sounds a bit like the ANH Imperial motif, just a bit. Maybe that's it? That's Holt's Imperial theme I think, it keeps throwing me off because I keep expecting it to resolve the same way as the Imperial motif in ANH does Manakin Skywalker, Brando and Tydirium 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,038 Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 I assume an album Friday is more likely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 She said late June, so I assume Friday at the earliest. 🤞 artus_grayboot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondFire 67 Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 Don't think its coming this friday not gonna lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,966 Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 Why wouldn't it be. The last episode is tomorrow. So friday is the logical release day DiamondFire 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondFire 67 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 You know what? The use of previous themes was so good (in my opinion) that I am officially annoyed we didn't hear them sooner. I do understand what they were going for though and not going to lie, I think it worked out in the end. crumbs and JNHFan2000 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_grig 472 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Yes, yes, yes!!! DIES IRAE, IMPERIAL MARCH, LEIA and FORCE! We did it folks! Although the statements somehow lacked some 'performance power', I'm still very happy to hear them. I would have liked Luke's Theme somehow, that would have closed the circle of OT Themes perfectly. The Force Theme statement had a lot in common with the one during Leia and Rey's hug in TROS https://youtu.be/xOGiyALRe3o (0:14). (Oh, it's so nice that both scenes feature Leia!) However, I liked the statement of Leia's Theme the most, which touched me the most emotionally. I think Carrie Fisher would be very pleased to see young Leia played so beautifully. JNHFan2000 and Tiburon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondFire 67 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Michael G. said: Yes, yes, yes!!! DIES IRAE, IMPERIAL MARCH, LEIA and FORCE! We did it folks! Although the statements somehow lacked some 'performance power', I'm still very happy to hear them. I would have liked Luke's Theme somehow, that would have closed the circle of OT Themes perfectly. The Force Theme statement had a lot in common with the one during Leia and Rey's hug in TROS https://youtu.be/xOGiyALRe3o (0:14). (Oh, it's so nice that both scenes feature Leia!) However, I liked the statement of Leia's Theme the most, which touched me the most emotionally. I think Carrie Fisher would be very pleased to see young Leia played so beautifully. I agree. One of the only times I've ever teared up to a piece of media. Something about Leia's theme with the little girl man rpvee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Michael G. said: However, I liked the statement of Leia's Theme the most, which touched me the most emotionally. I think Carrie Fisher would be very pleased to see young Leia played so beautifully. Yeah I'm rarely moved by scenes in TV shows but was pleasantly surprised by parts of this finale. Not gonna lie, I may have shed a tear or two when Obi and Leia had their farewell. Just goes to show the power of Williams' music. I suspect we'll be debating for a few years whether they made a mistake not using his themes throughout the season, instead of holding them back until the very end. rpvee and Andy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Falstaft 2,132 Posted June 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2022 I have a lot of thoughts, most of them negative. I will say, I thought the Force Theme was very effective, and one of the few times--maybe the only time!--this series sounded like Star Wars to me. I kind of got what they (Holt? Ross?) were going for during the rematch, a twist on the Obi Wan Theme that sort of evoked Battle of the Heroes. But man did that thin and inexpressive choir take me out of it, especially its intro. Was that synth? Same goes for the Imperial March; a fine little rendition, I guess, but something about the recording and/or performance just made it sound anemic. crumbs, leeallen01, MrJosh and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 The choir sounded almost entirely synth, yes. And very cheap. Makes you wonder if they should've bothered, because it overshadowed whatever orchestral elements were actually recorded. But that's an issue with much of the music in the series; it was so heavily processed it barely resembled a real orchestra. If nothing else it made the Ross/Williams cues that much more obvious. Tydirium and Oswin Pond 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondFire 67 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 19 minutes ago, crumbs said: The choir sounded almost entirely synth, yes. And very cheap. Makes you wonder if they should've bothered, because it overshadowed whatever orchestral elements were actually recorded. But that's an issue with much of the music in the series; it was so heavily processed it barely resembled a real orchestra. If nothing else it made the Ross/Williams cues that much more obvious. I really enjoyed the opening choir bit when Obi-Wan did his form stance... but then I feel like it didn't get intense enough until later on when it became chilling (which was MUCH appreciated). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,514 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 I liked the chunked approach to Williams's theme (understood here as the entire composition). Ostinato here, a few chords there... it felt like a Howard Shore style of scoring. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 I wonder how Holt scored the finale, if Ross/Williams material did replace everything she scored. Manakin Skywalker and Tydirium 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 I get the sense that JWFan will never be truly satisfied until everything Williams/Ross did is released, which obviously won't happen. Note that I still say this largely from ignorance - the first time I hear anthing more than sfx-filled 30 second samples (apart from JW's suite) will be the album. My experience will be a good 'concept album' test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DangerMotif 1,038 Posted June 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2022 There is no defending the music in the show(1-6) it was awful and such a wasted opportunity. The only nice thing I can say about it is that JW wrote an amazing theme for it. Oswin Pond, leeallen01, 1977 and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DarthDementous 1,059 Posted June 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2022 Very odd placement for the only rendition of the Imperial March, wish it accompanied a more significant character moment for Vader than him communing with his Master in his chair Oswin Pond, igger6, Tydirium and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,038 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, DarthDementous said: Very odd placement for the only rendition of the Imperial March, wish it accompanied a more significant character moment for Vader than him communing with his Master in his chair not the best arrangement either. The Leia theme sounded good though Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtney Sees Ghosts 269 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 I loved the uses of the classic themes in this episode. They all made sense and worked really well. And I love the really subtle reprisal of Qui-Gon's Theme. Which if you listen closely, Obi-Wan's theme is very connected to it. Now I just need the soundtrack and I'll be a happy girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oswin Pond 58 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 I've seen a lot of people saying Ross did the fight with Kenobi but this is a direct conflict with what Holt said. She said she composed and "sung" for the show, the only time we hear choirs is for the fight so, to me, it's quite obvious she scored it. Personally I didn't like it, the choirs were so weak. If she didn't say she sung it I would have thought they were synths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,038 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 They played some of Hyperspace from ESB in the opening also but it went nowhere michael_grig and artus_grayboot 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Oswin Pond said: I've seen a lot of people saying Ross did the fight with Kenobi but this is a direct conflict with what Holt said. The fight uses Williams' Obi theme and Ross' Vader theme, but also has a lot of sequenced percussion which is very un-Ross. Someone needs to leak the cue sheets for this thing! Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThePenitentMan1 744 Posted June 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2022 2 hours ago, DarthDementous said: Very odd placement for the only rendition of the Imperial March, wish it accompanied a more significant character moment for Vader than him communing with his Master in his chair Right?! As soon as that happened, I paused the video and said "Really? THAT'S what you held off on using this theme for?! This isn't satisfying! This wasn't earned!" I didn't feel quite so strongly about the Leia/Force theme statements, but the disappointing treatment of Imperial March just beforehand (not to mention the entire rest of the show's music) kinda hindered my enjoyment of the one statement we got of each of those themes. igger6, DarthDementous and artus_grayboot 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GerateWohl 4,370 Posted June 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Gibster said: They played some of Hyperspace from ESB in the opening also but it went nowhere But it was a good quote to mind. And, sorry, Williams' Kenobi theme was overused all over the series. It would have been good to either have a B-section in the theme, that would have made it less repetitive, or have a secondary theme that could be used from time to time. artguy360, Van_Etten, DangerMotif and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpvee 805 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 I heard hints of the prequels’ funeral theme in this episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,038 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, rpvee said: I heard hints of the prequels’ funeral theme in this episode. Where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 In this episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpvee 805 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, Gibster said: Where? The little choir statement at 15:38 when Obi-Wan ignites his saber, before Vader attacks. And again at 24:28 and 26:03. Just the very beginning of the theme, when the lyrics would be “madhurah swehpna”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylanskie 104 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 I really liked the choir cues, and when the Force theme played, that was the first and maybe only time this show felt like Star Wars. It makes me upset that NH was told to use it sparingly because I think it would've monumentally improved the show. I also thought the Imperial March and Leia's theme were very well-placed. For me, this episode redeemed the rest of the series' score, but I of course wish a lot of things had been different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,357 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 2 hours ago, GerateWohl said: But it was a good quote to mind. And, sorry, Williams' Kenobi theme was overused all over the series. It would have been good to either have a B-section in the theme, that would have made it less repetitive, or have a secondary theme that could be used from time to time. Just like when the Imperial March was introduced in ESB and was used in almost every cue. 4 hours ago, DarthDementous said: Very odd placement for the only rendition of the Imperial March, wish it accompanied a more significant character moment for Vader than him communing with his Master in his chair I interpreted it as him becoming even more Vader and less Anakin, giving up on caring about Kenobi, even in a negative sense, and the Emperor controlling him further. greenturnedblue 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenturnedblue 372 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 37 minutes ago, Counterparts said: Just like when the Imperial March was introduced in ESB and was used in almost every cue. To be fair ESB also has a dozen other themes which are also used constantly so when it comes back to the Imperial March you've had a break from it and heard plenty of variations of other themes. Whereas in Obi Wan it only goes back and forth between the Obi Wan theme and mindless RCP crap, back and forth... Leading to it getting repetitive when it is the only thematic material you ever hear 37 minutes ago, Counterparts said: I interpreted it as him becoming even more Vader and less Anakin, giving up on caring about Kenobi, even in a negative sense, and the Emperor controlling him further. Agreed, Vader saying he is no longer emotionally attached to Kenobi and that Papa Palpy is the only thing important to him is definitely Vader succumbing to the Emperors rule and letting go of the last thing that made him Anakin. He is 100% Vader now and he knows it. I think the Imperial March here is pretty fitting DarthDementous, GerateWohl and Yavar Moradi 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,370 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, greenturnedblue said: To be fair ESB also has a dozen other themes which are also used constantly so when it comes back to the Imperial March you've had a break from it and heard plenty of variations of other themes. Whereas in Obi Wan it only goes back and forth between the Obi Wan theme and mindless RCP crap, back and forth... Leading to it getting repetitive when it is the only thematic material you ever hear Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,357 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 13 minutes ago, greenturnedblue said: To be fair ESB also has a dozen other themes which are also used constantly so when it comes back to the Imperial March you've had a break from it and heard plenty of variations of other themes. Whereas in Obi Wan it only goes back and forth between the Obi Wan theme and mindless RCP crap, back and forth... Leading to it getting repetitive when it is the only thematic material you ever hear But there is other thematic material..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 That's just how it was back then in a galaxy far, far away. They didn't have an abundance of themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post greenturnedblue 372 Posted June 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2022 33 minutes ago, Counterparts said: But there is other thematic material..... I suppose what you call thematic material I call "mindless RCP crap" Jurassic Shark, leeallen01, Edmilson and 2 others 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondFire 67 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 3 hours ago, ThePenitentMan1 said: Right?! As soon as that happened, I paused the video and said "Really? THAT'S what you held off on using this theme for?! This isn't satisfying! This wasn't earned!" Complete opposite for me. Its the perfect character moment to use it for if you are taking that approach haha Courtney Sees Ghosts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post leeallen01 2,136 Posted June 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2022 This show has perfectly conveyed that Star Wars IS John Williams. Episodes 1-5 of Kenobi without his spirit is cheap. Episode 6 with his spirit is still cheap, but you can feel it immediately more towards Star Wars. Without Williams, Star Wars feels empty. crumbs, ThePenitentMan1, DangerMotif and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,357 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 21 minutes ago, greenturnedblue said: I suppose what you call thematic material I call "mindless RCP crap" Well, yeah. "Thematic" is different than "Quality". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,138 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 The duel would have been far more chilling if it were unscored. Just like their duel on the Death Star 10 years later. Lightsaber sounds should never become customary or ordinary. Spotting, people. Spotting. When Vader descended the steps of his shuttle, it would’ve been nice to hear some form of the March, maybe the B theme. Or the “Into the Trap” motif from ROTJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 9 hours ago, CourtneyNeedsAW said: And I love the really subtle reprisal of Qui-Gon's Theme. It was just Obi-Wan's theme. The two basically share the exact same first few notes. artus_grayboot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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