Popular Post JohnnyD 1,223 Posted July 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2022 The less said about the Jurassic World trilogy, the better. Edmilson, JTN and Chewy 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 Fallen Kingdom is a fine score, one of his best in recent years. I've not heard a note of Dominion yet as I haven't seen the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,695 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 All 3 are fine scores, although the recording of the first lets it down a bit. Film-wise, I agree with Johnny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted July 3, 2022 Author Share Posted July 3, 2022 I enjoy all three scores to an extent. First one was probably the strongest with the second one being the weakest. I didn't respond to its loudness too well and more streamlined sound of 3 sits with me better. As for the films, I remember enjoying the snarky meta tone of the first one at the time but it was nothing special as such and, ultimately, didn't stay with me. The second one I didn't like one bit. The third one is really silly and makes no sense whatsoever but the trashy excess of it, particularly in the Malta sequence, was occasionally fun to watch. The sad thing is that I really liked the setup and some of the imagery of dinosaurs in snowy landscapes in the opening act was quite cool. Sadly, the film gradually starts to collapse under the weight of its length and number of characters in it. Ultimately, they are all disposable. Karol Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravinsky 206 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 Is this one of the 5 new Williams releases for 2022 that Matessino mentioned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 i hope not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,483 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 Jurassic Park logo for la la land reissue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,373 Posted July 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2022 4 hours ago, stravinsky said: Is this one of the 5 new Williams releases for 2022 that Matessino mentioned? No. On 29/04/2022 at 11:54 PM, Jay said: Mike said that reissues were coming, AND ALSO 5 new expansions/premieres on top of those blondheim, Holko, bollemanneke and 5 others 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blondheim 1,157 Posted July 4, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 4, 2022 I'm excited for more details. Bellosh, Brando and Andy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Andy 4,141 Posted July 4, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 4, 2022 I have a feeling there is something more than just a reissue here. Brando, JTN and Bellosh 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,117 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Andy said: I have a feeling there is something more than just a reissue here. I doubt there is anything critical that was missing.Probably a new source has turned up or it could simply be a remix with some tweaks. The Program could be slightly altered as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Andy said: I have a feeling there is something more than just a reissue here. I am going with there not being too much to write home about, seeing as Legacy of JW isn't in a rush to do a podcast about it. JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,141 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 Probably true I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando 1,864 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 In the final film mix, what is tracked into 'T-Rex Rescue and Finale'? Is it 'Journey to the Island' or is it that same section from 'Welcome to Jurassic Park'? Anytime this is brought up everyone says that its Journey but when I matched this up to the films audio to check this, Journey didn't quite line up and I was wondering if anyone knew anything about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Brando said: In the final film mix, what is tracked into 'T-Rex Rescue and Finale'? Is it 'Journey to the Island' or is it that same section from 'Welcome to Jurassic Park'? Anytime this is brought up everyone says that its Journey but when I matched this up to the films audio to check this, Journey didn't quite line up and I was wondering if anyone knew anything about it. Maybe the new release will have a Film Edit of that track, like the TLW LLL including a film edit of that finale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 1 hour ago, crumbs said: Maybe the new release will have a Film Edit of that track, like the TLW LLL including a film edit of that finale. Hopefully not, it's musically bullshit. Holko and Chewy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 News sometime today? It's gotta be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,396 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 1 hour ago, blondheim said: News sometime today? It's gotta be JWFan little post says: Quote More details on the new release, including track list and samples, will be available soon at JWFan. Maybe we can expect an exclusive JWFan tracklist announcement for today? Or maybe "soon" is tomorrow and the tracklist and samples will just be a link to the LLL page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,695 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 8 hours ago, Brando said: In the final film mix, what is tracked into 'T-Rex Rescue and Finale'? Is it 'Journey to the Island' or is it that same section from 'Welcome to Jurassic Park'? Anytime this is brought up everyone says that its Journey but when I matched this up to the films audio to check this, Journey didn't quite line up and I was wondering if anyone knew anything about it. I recreated the film version in my set (I don't like the intended version much) and I just popped Journey in there. I didn't really bother to check whether it matched exactly - the edit back to the intended cue is crap anyway. Brando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando 1,864 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 3 hours ago, Richard Penna said: I recreated the film version in my set (I don't like the intended version much) and I just popped Journey in there. I didn't really bother to check whether it matched exactly - the edit back to the intended cue is crap anyway. I remember when I was making an edit of it, looking at the film rip versus Journey, i couldn’t find a great edit point, which I thought was odd, because it had to have worked somehow, and then I tried “Welcome” and I was able to slide that in nicely. I guess I’ll have to look at it again. Speaking of “Welcome to Jurassic Park”, the track on the OST “End Credits”, what is that an edit of? To me it seems a bit redundant to put Welcome early in the program and then to finish the album with another edit of the theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 5 hours ago, Brando said: the track on the OST “End Credits”, what is that an edit of? To me it seems a bit redundant to put Welcome early in the program and then to finish the album with another edit of the theme. Williams wrote the end credits as one long cue (14M2 End Credits). At the recording stage, it was recorded in two parts (14M2 Part 1 and 14M2 Part 2) When assembling the album, he put the entire end credits composition (both parts of 14M2 edited together as intended) in the middle of the album and called it "Welcome To Jurassic Park". He then also put 14M2 Part 2 in its own track at the end of the album and called that "End Credits" It's literally the exact same take(s), editing, mixing, and mastering as you hear in "Welcome to Jurassic Park". Brando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom Guernsey 2,287 Posted July 4, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 4, 2022 4 hours ago, Jay said: Williams wrote the end credits as one long cue (14M2 End Credits). At the recording stage, it was recorded in two parts (14M2 Part 1 and 14M2 Part 2) When assembling the album, he put the entire end credits composition (both parts of 14M2 edited together as intended) in the middle of the album and called it "Welcome To Jurassic Park". He then also put 14M2 Part 2 in its own track at the end of the album and called that "End Credits" It's literally the exact same take(s), editing, mixing, and mastering as you hear in "Welcome to Jurassic Park". ...and I have to say, I never really understood the decision to put the actual end credits of Welcome to JP in the middle of the disc and then use half of it to stick at the end of the album as the "end credits". Especially since in the film the contrast between the excitement of T-Rex Finale and the gentle piano version of the main theme as they fly away is really satisfying and memorable, especially as there's no dialogue once they have decided "not to endorse your park" (basically, it's Journey to the Island in reverse). On an unrelated note, even after all these years, I still find it incredible how Journey to the Island is such a perfectly formed piece of programmatic music which hits all the dramatic beats of the sequence, while pulling back for dialogue without sounding contrived. I often wondered if Spielberg did an ET and recut the sequence around the music but as it's never even been hinted or rumoured, I assume it was just cut together and JW just scored what he was given. Amazing. Mattris, Marian Schedenig, Brando and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 14 minutes ago, Tom Guernsey said: I never really understood the decision to put the actual end credits of Welcome to JP in the middle of the disc and then use half of it to stick at the end of the album as the "end credits". Especially since in the film the contrast between the excitement of T-Rex Finale and the gentle piano version of the main theme as they fly away is really satisfying and memorable, especially as there's no dialogue once they have decided "not to endorse your park" Yes! 14 minutes ago, Tom Guernsey said: (basically, it's Journey to the Island in reverse). Yes! Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,210 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 15 minutes ago, Tom Guernsey said: ...and I have to say, I never really understood the decision to put the actual end credits of Welcome to JP in the middle of the disc and then use half of it to stick at the end of the album as the "end credits". Especially since in the film the contrast between the excitement of T-Rex Finale and the gentle piano version of the main theme as they fly away is really satisfying and memorable, especially as there's no dialogue once they have decided "not to endorse your park" (basically, it's Journey to the Island in reverse). It would make perfect sense if the album had been a two-sided LP, with Welcome either closing the first or opening the second side. Especially since most of what comes after it is either more abstract action scoring or has very scene-specific variations of the theme. Side 1 would have all the major concert-style theme presentations. Perhaps Williams just didn't understand the concept of CDs yet… Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 Well I waited until 2am local time, but it's tradition that the minute I go to sleep is the moment the tracklist gets posted. So..... goodnight world! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 La-La Land sends out email newsletters that reveal the tracklists of their Tuesday titles around 3AM EST of release day (so, midnight PST of Monday in their local timezone) So I'd expect that email a little under 15 hours from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,141 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 For me, the album presentation forever soured me a little on the score in general, because of the repetitiveness of the program. It's a better score in its complete form, easily. It also made The Lost World an easy winner for me when comparing the two. (TLW also being better in its complete form) GerateWohl and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,038 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, Jay said: La-La Land sends out email newsletters that reveal the tracklists of their Tuesday titles around 3AM EST of release day (so around midnight PST the night before their local time) So I'd expect that email a little under 15 hours from now. Does anyone know what time it goes on sale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 All new La-La Land Titles go on sale on Tuesdays at 12:00 PM PST, which is 3:00 PM EST, or 12 hours after the newsletter drops. Brando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 54 minutes ago, Tom Guernsey said: ...and I have to say, I never really understood the decision to put the actual end credits of Welcome to JP in the middle of the disc and then use half of it to stick at the end of the album as the "end credits". Especially since in the film the contrast between the excitement of T-Rex Finale and the gentle piano version of the main theme as they fly away is really satisfying and memorable, especially as there's no dialogue once they have decided "not to endorse your park" (basically, it's Journey to the Island in reverse). I think the shortened version of the End Credits was an edit originally conceived as the "B-side" of the CD single: https://www.discogs.com/it/release/4125665-John-Williams-Theme-From-Jurassic-Park Then JW or someone at MCA decided it was good enough to close out the OST album as well. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,695 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Andy said: For me, the album presentation forever soured me a little on the score in general, because of the repetitiveness of the program. It's a better score in its complete form, easily. It also made The Lost World an easy winner for me when comparing the two. (TLW also being better in its complete form) It's like the majority of Williams scores - you appreciate his album program for a few plays, then almost immediately (especially after seeing the film) want all the rest. Most other composers don't have this issue because they make more representative albums. Tom Guernsey and Andy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,287 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Andy said: For me, the album presentation forever soured me a little on the score in general, because of the repetitiveness of the program. It's a better score in its complete form, easily. It also made The Lost World an easy winner for me when comparing the two. (TLW also being better in its complete form) As my first ever soundtrack I don’t think i could ever be soured on it but it definitely works better if you cut out the “end credits” and stick Welcome to Jurassic Park at the end it works really well. I mean I do prefer it complete in film order but the original album does at least feature all of the major highlights. 2 hours ago, TownerFan said: I think the shortened version of the End Credits was an edit originally conceived as the "B-side" of the CD single: https://www.discogs.com/it/release/4125665-John-Williams-Theme-From-Jurassic-Park Then JW or someone at MCA decided it was good enough to close out the OST album as well. Sounds plausible. Indeed I actually have the CD single JP theme disc that I randomly picked up at a charity shop. Obviously not interesting musically use but a nice collectible for the JW/JP obsessive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,210 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 I'll say this again… while the track order on the album is really confusing (even in a purely musical way), some of Williams's track edits/cue combinations do work very well in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted July 4, 2022 Author Share Posted July 4, 2022 10 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: I'll say this again… while the track order on the album is really confusing (even in a purely musical way), some of Williams's track edits/cue combinations do work very well in this case. Yes, I always loved the edit of the prologue sequence. Same goes for the sequel score actually. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 The two JP OSTs had all seamless cue combos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Sítrónu 494 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 Two-Disc Time of the 2016 release was 91:50. So much potential time to fill on a new Two-Disc release... JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallenger 483 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 More Jurassic Park? I'll take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,695 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 I'll wake up tomorrow to the tracklist and I'm sort of hoping it's just the 2 discs from the box, and that 'remastered' is in comparison to the OST. I love the box and I don't want to buy it again 'New and improved' however.... Brando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,319 Posted July 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2022 JURASSIC PARK: LIMITED EDITION (2-CD SET)LLLCD 1593 Music by John Williams Limited Edition of 5000 Units RETAIL PRICE: $29.98 STARTS SHIPPING JULY 5 Order yours from www.lalalandrecords.com starting 12 noon (pst) on 7/5. La-La Land Records, Universal Studios and Amblin Entertainment, Universal Music Group and Geffen Records present JURASSIC PARK, a limited 2-CD re-issue presentation of maestro John Williams’ (JAWS, STAR WARS, SCHINDLER’S LIST) original motion picture scores to the 1993 blockbuster JURASSIC PARK starring Sam Neill, Laura Dern and Jeff Goldblum and directed by Steven Spielberg. Williams’ monumental JURASSIC PARK score teems with thematic orchestral wonder and is celebrated as one of the composer’s most accomplished works. Produced, edited and mastered by Mike Matessino, (with fresh outputs of the 192k/24 bit master files utilized in our 2016 collection) this re-issue utilizes that material to re-create the original 1993 soundtrack album. This is featured on Disc 2 and is followed by the source music track “Stalling Around” (the composer’s homage to classic Warner Bros. cartoon music for Jurassic’s “Mr. DNA” sequence). Disc 1 showcases the entire main Score Presentation, which now includes, for the first time, the performances and mixes of “Journey To the Island” and “Dennis Steals The Embryo” as heard in the film. The 28-page CD booklet features liner notes by Matessino (adapted from our 2016 collection) and the new art design is by Jim Titus. This is a limited edition of 5000 Units. TRACK LISTING: SCORE PRESENTATION 1 Opening Titles :37 2 Incident at Isla Nublar (Film Version) 2:23 3 The Encased Mosquito 1:16 4 Entrance of Mr. Hammond 1:095 Journey to the Island (Film Version) 8:54 6 Hatching Baby Raptor (Film Version) 2:04 7 You Bred Raptors? :40 8 The History Lesson (Film Version) 1:33 9 Jurassic Park Gate 2:05 10 Goat Bait 2:26 11 The Saboteur :47 12 Ailing Triceratops 2:37 13 The Coming Storm (Film Version) 1:2614 Dennis Steals the Embryo (Film Version) 5:04 15 Race to the Dock 1:18 16 The Falling Car and The T-Rex Chase 4:59 17 A Tree for My Bed 2:13 18 Remembering Petticoat Lane 2:49 19 My Friend, the Brachiosaurus(Film Version) 1:51 20 Life Finds a Way 1:27 21 System Ready :50 22 To the Maintenance Shed 4:13 23 High Wire Stunts 4:10 24 Hungry Raptor 2:10 25 The Raptor Attack 2:50 26 T-Rex Rescue and Finale 7:43 27 Welcome to Jurassic Park (Film Version) 7:58Total Time Disc 1: 77:44 CD 2 1993 ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK 1 Opening Titles :36 2 Theme From Jurassic Park 3:27 3 Incident at Isla Nublar 5:22 4 Journey to the Island 8:55 5 The Raptor Attack 2:50 6 Hatching Baby Raptor 3:22 7 Welcome to Jurassic Park 7:57 8 My Friend, the Brachiosaurus 4:18 9 Dennis Steals the Embryo 5:03 10 A Tree for My Bed 2:13 11 High Wire Stunts 4:10 12 Remembering Petticoat Lane 2:49 13 Jurassic Park Gate 2:05 14 Eye to Eye 6:35 15 T-Rex Rescue and Finale 7:43 16 End Credits 3:27 BONUS 17 Stalling Around 2:41Total Time Disc 2: 73:35 This is a CD format release. Exclusive new tracks highlighted in green. The other selling point is a rebuilt OST, created using the same high-res transfers from 2016. I never realised the existing versions of Journey to the Island and Dennis Steals the Embryo didn't fully utilize the film takes. Does anyone know what sections use alternate takes in the film? Docteur Qui, Amer, lairdo and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,844 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Those are nice details, but not enough to get me to bite. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallenger 483 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 I think this release is really only for uber-fans of the score (like myself) and people who didn't get it in the first pressing when it was paired with Lost World. This score, in expanded form, should ALWAYS be in print. Bryant Burnette 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lairdo 726 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 @crumbs You beat me by a min! (But you may want to edit out the last 6 lines about Patriot Games. Never mind, you fixed it as I was writing.) My take - it's nice to have the original album available in remastered sound. It has always been a great listen, and it's really amazing to think that 70 mins was released back then. I do wonder if the digital release might get updated at HD resolutions as that could be swapped in for the existing digital masters out there now. (Which is actually already at 196/24 now that I look at HDtracks.com.) Hmm. In any case, I'm happy to have this in my collection and will order tomorrow. I have no problem with La-La Land releasing something is pretty much a lot of previous content. As noted above, some folks don't have it and are paying high eBay prices if they want a physical copy, and La-La Land and other should be able to use the material they developed and paid for anyway they need. There are no different than Warner Bros, Sony, DG, Decca and other labels getting more mileage from their catalog with box sets and other combos. Look at the Philips JW Boston Pops set. They did not even remaster it. I am all for these wonderful companies thriving and helping us be satiated for all the wonderful music they bring us. ThePenitentMan1 and scallenger 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallenger 483 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Yuppp. Couldn't agree more. And besides, maybe if this sells well again... Lost World will come next with its own updates... or even... JURASSIC PARK 3, baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 So what happened with journey to the island and dennis steals the embryos in the previous release? The disc arrangement is what should have been in the first place, no two weird 40 min cds Mattris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quppa 117 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 38 minutes ago, lairdo said: I do wonder if the digital release might get updated at HD resolutions as that could be swapped in for the existing digital masters out there now. (Which is actually already at 196/24 now that I look at HDtracks.com.) Hmm. That said, https://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html is an evergreen explanation of why high-resolution audio is at best a waste of space when it comes to playback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,844 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 I'm also glad doe each score to have their own separate release. I already own the Jurassic Park & Lost World dual album. But for people who don't have that set, this is probably the ideal way to have just Jurassic Park. Mattris and scallenger 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallenger 483 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said: So what happened with journey to the island and dennis steals the embryos in the previous release? The disc arrangement is what should have been in the first place, no two weird 40 min cds From what I know, they were the album takes/mixes, or just different takes/mixes than how they are in the film. Probably too minute for most people to notice, but I guess we will hear soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Nevermind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lairdo 726 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 13 minutes ago, Quppa said: That said, https://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html is an evergreen explanation of why high-resolution audio is at best a waste of space when it comes to playback. Ah thanks. And yes, I am aware of the inherent minimal playback reasons for HD. Still I like them, but really the benefit of the higher resolutions is for master archival purposes. Quppa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quppa 117 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 I'm mainly curious whether 'fresh outputs of the 192k/24 bit master files' means any audible difference from the 2016 release. Too bad this is the only release I'm interested in in this batch - once again, international shipping fees are going to cost almost as much as the product itself Bring on more David Arnold and Thomas Newman expansions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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