Bespin 8,483 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 As I recall the "stereo" default in "Heroics of Luke and Han" on the new set, I remember that a track, a Yoda related track (Yoda and the force, or Training or Magic tree, I don't remember exactly) had the same kind of default on the Anthology boxset. There's a curse on the ESB score. Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 ESB is my favorite film score of all time. I can't wait to own a definitive and good-sounding all the way through sounding version one day. One day... Alan and Chewy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 ESB and ToD are the best JW sequels ever and both are in desperate need of a better sounding release. Ricard and ckahn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,690 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 First time I've properly listened to some of these tracks, and I headed for The Asteroid Field first. Well, the instrumentation itself is definitely clearer than the last recent release on spotify. However, it feels like a large wall is separating me from the orchestra and I'm holding something against my right ear. Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 Sith is my favorite one. Nice to hear it so dynamic and punchy this time around. John and Jacck 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quppa 117 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 On 13/05/2018 at 1:19 AM, crumbs said: Fuck I hate David Yates. He was clearly out to sabotage Williams' attempts at scoring DHP2 as far back as the P1 scoring sessions. His Potter films are lifeless, soulless pieces of shit as well. Fantastic Beasts was mediocrity personified. He wishes he had half the talent of barely-talented directors like Paul W.S. Anderson. So stick that in your pipe, David, you twat. At the risk of dragging this thread back off topic, it's interesting listening to this podcast interview with Yates having read the above. He gushes praise about James Newton Howard's work for Fantastic Beasts and mentions that the studio wanted more Hedwig's Theme and he wanted less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post artguy360 1,843 Posted May 15, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2018 Yates took the darker, moodier tone that Cuaron set for the HP franchise and translated it into boring. Despite plenty of special effects, there's almost no magic in any of his HP films. Not Mr. Big, Drew, Jacck and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew 590 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 3 hours ago, Quppa said: At the risk of dragging this thread back off topic, it's interesting listening to this podcast interview with Yates having read the above. He gushes praise about James Newton Howard's work for Fantastic Beasts and mentions that the studio wanted more Hedwig's Theme and he wanted less. He also interfered with some of JNH's original cues. The "A Man and His Beasts" theme was originally going to play in the beginning but Yates rejected it and had JHN replace it with the generic "conspiracy" "theme" or whatever it is called. I have no idea how Desplat got away with such a thematically vibrant score for DH 1 under Yates. It must have been his great talent at subtlety. Anyway, the studio should have taken the step further and demanded more John Williams right from the start of Yates' musically illiterate tenure. 8 hours ago, phbart said: ESB and ToD are the best JW sequels ever and both are in desperate need of a better sounding release. Can someone enlighten me on why the Raiders and Temple of Doom remasters supposedly sound bad? I think they sound pretty good (I have not heard the OST releases at all). The Last Crusade sounds bad-ish, which is to be expected of anything recorded by Dan Wallin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,349 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Too much Reverb on TOD apparently, there is the speed/pitch issue too, Raiders actually sounds a lot like ROTJ OST/Anthology, but you wouldn't know it from the Concord. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Yes, I was very surprised on my last listen, though it's closer in timeframe to Empire, certain segments sound exactly like Jedi. Clarification: Not only the sound, but the writing itself, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 I think it's the recording stage. TESB sessions were done at Anvil Denham Studios for the most part, while Raiders and ROTJ were mostly recorded at Abbey Road (a few sessions of TESB were also recorded at Abbey Road. Also, a couple of sessions of ROTJ were done at Olympic Studios in Barnes, London). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Still, 'Raiders' sounds somewhat flat and especially the drums-and-percussion section as if they badly need some reverb (those piccolo drums! ROTJ sounds much deeper). TOD sounds brighter in that 80's-compact-disc-treble up-way but that's totally OK (not counting the god-awful opening to 'Short Round Helps' and ome other of the movie cues obviously not taken from an album master which sound really bad). I find 'Last Crusade' actually nicely old-fashioned sounding, it's a stately recording that may not sound 'brilliant' but kinda cushy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 What is it with that dry Williams/LSO sound in that era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maglorfin 196 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Sooo ... Somebody, anybody, let's have some bottom line please! I'm sorry to say I don't have the time right now to read all 31 pages of this topic but should I (or, for that matter, anybody) buy these remasters? All of 'em? I gather that the noticeably improved sound quality is strong enough argument to warrant purchase? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Just skip them and wait for proper editions that actually contain the entire scores in the future. if you like JW's original OST album arrangements, the existing releases of them already sound fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 I would say no because, even though some elements have improved sound quality, there are many more issues that supersede that like the left-weighted stereo throughout ESB or the many editing errors existing throughout all the albums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maglorfin 196 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jay said: Just skip them and wait for proper editions that actually contain the entire scores in the future. Well yeah, the "only" problem is that the "future" you mention is totally unforeseeable! It could happen in 2035 for all we know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Right, but if you want to listen to the complete scores now, you can buy the 1997 sets for the OT and download fan edits for the PT. These new remasters existing don't change anything to do with that. If you want to listen to JW's OST album arrangements, and not complete scores, then like I said just get the old editions, not these new ones. Maglorfin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 I picked up the ROTS disc to fill out an Amazon order that had an add-on item. Seems like the most interesting one to get, with the added drum overlays. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, mstrox said: I picked up the ROTS disc to fill out an Amazon order that had an add-on item. Seems like the most interesting one to get, with the added drum overlays. It's a shame you're not into fan edits. A fan edit for a near complete version (missing maybe 15 min) for the Prequels and ROTS in general is a lot more enjoyable. Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maglorfin 196 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 13 minutes ago, Jay said: Right, but if you want to listen to the complete scores now, you can buy the 1997 sets for the OT and download fan edits for the PT. These new remasters existing don't change anything to do with that. I've already bought all 1997 sets 18 or so years ago, and I have several excellent fan edits so I'm set up pretty well in that regard. OK, so it seems I can save some money with these remasters. Thanks for the input! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, Trent B said: It's a shame you're not into fan edits. A fan edit for a near complete version (missing maybe 15 min) for the Prequels and ROTS in general is a lot more enjoyable. Eh, I don't like them for several reasons. One is for the same reason I don't download sessions, leaks, boots, etc. I'm more of the FSM mindset than the JWFan mindset as far as the impact of such things on the industry. Also, in my opinion, when I finally spend $30 on a legit, complete release, and I have far more than just 15 minutes of unheard music, it will be much more exciting for me than, say, Close Encounters or E.T. which (while they sound great and are arranged nicely) really didn't offer much in the way of "new." Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew 590 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Maglorfin said: Sooo ... Somebody, anybody, let's have some bottom line please! I'm sorry to say I don't have the time right now to read all 31 pages of this topic but should I (or, for that matter, anybody) buy these remasters? All of 'em? I gather that the noticeably improved sound quality is strong enough argument to warrant purchase? If I were to recommend only three, then get ANH and ROTJ for not sounding horrible, and get ROTS for the added percussion in some cues. Maglorfin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 I really don't see any problems with RoTJ. The sound quality is for me the best it ever sounded. I'd classify it as a "slightly improved 93 Anthology". Yes, it has more hiss the SW and (yuck!) ESB, but I prefer it that way rather than irresponsibly applied noise reduction that sucks the life out of the music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Okay, now I see why they did the covers this way. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 On 5/15/2018 at 1:19 PM, phbart said: I really don't see any problems with RoTJ. The sound quality is for me the best it ever sounded. I'd classify it as a "slightly improved 93 Anthology". Yes, it has more hiss the SW and (yuck!) ESB, but I prefer it that way rather than irresponsibly applied noise reduction that sucks the life out of the music. The original CD release still sounds the best. You can't improve on perfection. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,894 Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 I tried fixing "Superstructure Chase" again... Any thoughts this time? Too high-end? Too hissy? (Hiss can't be removed without severe distortion) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deleted account 108 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 On 5/15/2018 at 3:08 AM, Stefancos said: What is it with that dry Williams/LSO sound in that era. In those days, movies were still mixed for large theaters that added 2 seconds or more of reverb to the sound. So they mixed everything dry knowing the theater itself would add reverb when the film was projected. Small multiplex theaters/home theaters weren't a consideration yet Henry Sítrónu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 On 14.5.2018 at 10:05 PM, Jay said: ESB is my favorite film score of all time. I can't wait to own a definitive and good-sounding all the way through sounding version one day. One day... On 14.5.2018 at 11:49 PM, phbart said: ESB and ToD are the best JW sequels ever and both are in desperate need of a better sounding release. I have like a list with my favourite JW scores in my head that I can't wait to see completed by the special labels: The Lost World The Prisoner of Azkaban (HP) The Temple of Doom (IJ) Jurassic Park A.I. - Artificial Intelligence Amistad JFK The Empire Strikes Back (SW) Empire of the Sun War of the Worlds Jurassic Shark and phbart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 Usually when I acquire a "remastered" version of an album (read "remixed"), I usually get the original mix too. So I want to let you know, that I've added the FLACs of the 2015 Sony Ultimate versions of the old Trilogy on my SD cards too... So I will have choice. It's good to have choice, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arpy 4,145 Posted May 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2018 I've been picking up these remasters in a haphazard way, some I've purchased such as the prequels, others I've downloaded still deciding whether it's worth purchasing them. Just listened to Empire... ...what happened? It just sounds so off, so distant and dare I say it, old. I spent a majority of last week on my commute to university listening to the 2004 Sony 2 disc edition and that has heft, it has a punch and prominence to it - it's by no means perfect or the best sounding of the three, but it sounds bright and forefront and still feels powerful. The biggest grievance I have with this 'remaster' is the complete degradation of one of my favourite musical sequences, The Battle of Hoth, with many amazing individual passages that are just buried in the mix, or buried by reverb and white noise fuzz - something best described as a ghost orgy, where it sounds dated and the opposite of a remaster. Hearing this remastered set pains me that it's 2018 and we're getting sub-par re-releases instead of fully-fledged deluxe archival editions that pay respect to the originals, provide all of the available recordings and most importantly deliver them sounding as good as is currently possible. I don't understand how these sets have been handled when we have other examples of Shawn Murphy's work which demonstrates a great ability to mix a good sounding score. Was it a bad transfer, were the tapes damaged, was this rushed out for Star Wars Day, is this a placeholder for future releases just for Disney to flex their commercial powers to try and rid people's conscience of the sony sets? Who knows? Mattris, Chewy, Taikomochi and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bespin 8,483 Posted May 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2018 "Degradation", it's our lot in life! Arpy, Bofur01 and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,690 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 Thing is, most casual fans won't notice (and I barely did) that this is the first physical release under a different rights holder. That's a really subtle detail. To the masses I suspect that this is just another re-release. Hence I think that those wondering why we get these instead of proper expansions are asking a reasonable question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 Obviously casual fans and listeners aren't going to care, but to someone who regularly lives and breathes the scores, the remasters are imposters! Richard Penna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,894 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Not to mention most casuals don't seem to know what "remastered" means. I've had at least a dozen people ask me on YouTube why it says "remastered" but doesn't contain any new music. I had to explain to them the difference between "remastered" and "expanded". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 What did they think "remastered" meant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,894 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Expanded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 I’m not defending this debacle by any means, but remastered doesn’t equal better by default. There are lots of instances where labels remastered classic, best selling material, slapped a “remastered” sticker on the cover and sold “old milk as new.” But the remasters might end up sounding worse than the old releases! There’s been some Marvin Gaye compilations that has had this problem. Also, MJ’s Bad 25 comes to mind. But I guess there’s a difference... because for those releases, it sounds as if the producers actually tried to make it better - but failed due to... ... different preferences, maybe? phbart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Often those different preferences are "make it louder" influenced by tin ears and no taste. I've sought out old, first press CD releases just because it's less likely the sound has been tampered with. Nick Parker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Yes. Also, hiss is removed at the expense of depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 2 hours ago, rough cut said: But I guess there’s a difference... because for those releases, it sounds as if the producers actually tried to make it better - but failed due to... ... different preferences, maybe? Its not about making something sound better, its about making it sound different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 18 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Its not about making something sound better, its about making it sound different. Why not both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Not always feasible i guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Why try to make it sound different if it can't be improved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Just make it sound the same, which saves them from having to pay someone to remaster it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 The Prequels are worth it. OT is pointless because they already sound good as released by Sony and they retain the real edits. This is the first remaster of music from II and III and they sound punchier and more dynamic. The alternate mixes are interesting even if they may not exactly be done correctly. Empire and Jedi sound best on the RSO OSTs. SW is debatable I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 The RSO of ROTJ is all you need! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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