Arpy 4,145 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Oh no, there's a Star Wars score canon now? Sorry Kevin Kiner and Joel McNeely, you're going in the EU black hole of non-canon music! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,317 Posted August 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 14, 2019 Williams has already loaded the Rogue One master tapes into a cannon and they're aimed at the sun. bollemanneke, MikeH, Kasey Kockroach and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 It'd be funny if, while we're here talking about how the quote is getting blown out of proportion, the score to TROS actually did somehow have every single Star Wars theme in it. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,894 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 5 hours ago, Arpy said: Oh no, there's a Star Wars score canon now? Sorry Kevin Kiner and Joel McNeely, you're going in the EU black hole of non-canon music! Hey, Kevin Kiner is canon! kelliwisethebrave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 4 hours ago, crumbs said: Williams has already loaded the Rogue One master tapes into a cannon and they're aimed at the sun. Oh, don't worry, I was there to intercept them before they were launched, I swapped them out with the master tapes for Hook... crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted August 14, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 14, 2019 On 8/12/2019 at 7:36 PM, Luke Skywalker said: WoW I'm a little shocked about dark side Williams...he looks so nice in interviews...he really may have been pissed by giacchino's rogue one after all. hope he doesnt fire his brother Don for leaking info... There is no "dark side", he's just a top professional who requests a certain kind of behaviour and attitude from the people who work for/with him. He doesn't fire musicians just because they accidentally drop a pencil on the floor. What Don and Dan Higgins said in the clips above is that, if you're recording with JW, you as a player don't call to stop the take for any reason. JW might even ignore a performance error, a pencil dropping, or a noisy pageturn because he might like the energy and the feel of that particular take, so he might want to continue and get to the end. He's the "commander in chief" on the recording stage, so it's up to him calling the shots and decide if the take has to be stopped or not. He might prefer to do a full take, even if there are performance errors, check it, address the various issues, and then doing another full one. If you ends up making a zillion of stops during a single take, you lose more time, hence more money. And you also lose the musicality and the feeling of the actual performance from the players. Not Mr. Big, bollemanneke, MikeH and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,506 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Personally, I'll take Don's "fire frenzy" stories with a grain of salt. He mentions it on a couple of occasions. It may be true, but it would be very out-of-character for Williams. Sounds more like something a Harvey Weinstein type would do. Perhaps someone else in the process did the actual firing. I refuse to believe that Williams fires people left and right for a single error that might be corrected with a reprimande instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted August 14, 2019 Author Share Posted August 14, 2019 Again, people here are not focusing on what was the point of Don Williams speaking about that episode: when you record with JW, you just focus on doing your best performance, because that's what you're requested to do. It's not up to you (even if you're concertmaster) to stop the take for any reason--"iron fist in a velvet glove" is probably an apt definition when it comes to JW (or any other great conductor) on the recording stage. Will and MikeH 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Thor 7,506 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 hours ago, TownerFan said: Again, people here are not focusing on what was the point of Don Williams speaking about that episode: when you record with JW, you just focus on doing your best performance, because that's what you're requested to do. It's not up to you (even if you're concertmaster) to stop the take for any reason--"iron fist in a velvet glove" is probably an apt definition when it comes to JW (or any other great conductor) on the recording stage. I agree with that. I just don't think Williams fired a person, Harvey Weinstein or Donald Trump-style, over a single incident like that. Like Don said, he reprimanded said concert master with a strict "I'll have to have the floor". If he was fired, someone else in the project must have done it to accomodate Williams, or he must have transgressed repeatedly. Anything else would be absurd. It would go against everyhing we know about Williams as a person. Cerebral Cortex and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 This could become a juicy chapter in your upcoming book! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted August 14, 2019 Author Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Modest Expectations said: Initially I thought "But Williams surely does not remember all of the themes" - yet now I think that he probably read the scores of the previous films before composing this one. No, he secretly hired Frank Lehman (aka @Falstaft) to point and remind him of every single theme and motif he's going to use BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pellaeon 593 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Modest Expectations said: 1. Boba Fett (Keri Russel's character for example), 2. Jabba (counterpoint in some underworld scene) 3. Jawas (in an abstract sense concerning something jovial happening in desert environment) 4. Droid Army March (C3PO with a gun) I doubt all of these. Jawas was referenced in Rey’s Theme (the concert arrangement only, I believe), but I don’t think it will come back again. If I were a betting man, I would only put money on the major OT + TFA themes + Duel of the Fates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 DOTF returning isn't a huge shock. It fits right in with something JJ would request to "bookend" the saga musically. It's the primary theme in Episode I, makes sense to bring it back for IX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 most of these themes statements will be unreleased anyways 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 I love this, he slips in theme after theme, making it seem so effortless— Smaug The Iron and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted August 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 14, 2019 SOURCE: THE RISE OF SKYWALKER: Rumored PHANTOM character revealed in THIS surprising behind-the-scenes photo Ludwig, Cerebral Cortex and MikeH 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 I can’t wait to hear the Force Theme interpolated with Cantina band! bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 894 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 I think we need to temper our expectations a bit here to avoid a massive disappointment. After Rogue One and Solo, we're basically in the golden age of Star Wars leitmotif callbacks. If Williams—who has forgotten more themes than Howard Shore ever wrote—develops a sudden taste for deep tracks from his SW catalogue, I'll be thrilled, but it would be a tremendous departure for him. If you want nerdy callbacks to prior melodies, JW is not your guy. I'd love to be wrong, but I doubt it. Just give me one shoutout to the ESB droid motif, and I'll die happy. Mostly because it means Artoo and Threepio must have been given something to do. Will and The Five Tones 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Hey nobody dies happy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 We got obscure stuff like the Death Star motif in TLJ. The temp probably helps jog Williams' memory on these things, plus his recent reviewing of the entire scores for the OT (for the live concerts). Will and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted August 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 15, 2019 Yeah, the Death Star motif is a good sign of Williams wink-wink abilities at this point. Of course, it's just a fun scene to begin with (the iron thing) and I love how Williams totally plays along with it, even chiming with a youthful statement of Luke's theme just after the fake out , if I recall correctly. The droid motif from ESB would be an absolute delight, but I'm more hopeful for a fine balance of nostalgia and freshness rather than a large amount of both big and obscure references. Cerebral Cortex, crumbs and Will 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,660 Posted August 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 15, 2019 I continue to think we are making way too much of a fuss about a throwaway quote, but if we are talking about ideal preferences: I would love Qui-Gon's theme to reappear, along with a proper concert version. It is one of my top favorite JW themes of the last 20 years, and Lucas killed it. MikeH, Will and Timo Martikainen 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Five Tones 302 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 I'd love to hear DOTF return in TROS, but aged into something less Orff sounding, perhaps fused with Emperor/Dark Side Beckons. And my nightmare cameo would the Emperor's theme in its Augie's band version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Referring to the Emperor as the 'Phantom' is just so obscure though. He's the Emperor! Everyone knows the character and the Emperor's Theme. 'Phantom' has to be a reference to the main theme from Phantom Menace, which is DOTF. rpvee and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 What evidence do we have that JW forgets so many themes? I'm curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Whenever he does a sequel after a long time he probably has a list of the themes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,660 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 45 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: What evidence do we have that JW forgets so many themes? I'm curious. He once called Across the Stars the first love theme in SW. Therefore, he forgets a huge chunk of themes he has composed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 It’s silly to hold that against him because he clearly hasn’t forgotten “Han Solo and the Princess.” rpvee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Well what we call Han Solo and the Princess, which we also call the first love theme of the saga, was referred to as Han's theme initially, no? That's what it's called in the RCA Victor 2-disc release. I really think Don was searching for a word when he said Phantom, so I'd really take all of that with a grain or two of salt. Yoda's theme returning is very believable though. Makes perfect sense to me after The Last Jedi, but perhaps a new arrangement would be a bit better rather than just quoting directly from ESB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: It’s silly to hold that against him because he clearly hasn’t forgotten “Han Solo and the Princess.” Exactly. Was that even a love theme? I mean, technically it's for Han who loves her in the OT, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 15, 2019 You guys have to have been involved in the countless debates about this before. Do your memories get wiped routinely like a protocol droid? Smeltington, MikeH and The Five Tones 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: You guys have to have been involved in the countless debates about this before. Do your memories get wiped routinely like a protocol droid? We could have lived through this once before, or even have been caught in this loop for years and years. There's no way to know for sure. All we do know for certain is... There's no way out of here. No way to break the cycle. If there is a way to escape, and people _have_ done it, they definitely haven't come back to tell us about it. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 4 hours ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: Well what we call Han Solo and the Princess, which we also call the first love theme of the saga, was referred to as Han's theme initially, no? It’s really not. The theme is clearly an offshoot of the Princess’ own theme. If anything, it applies more to her than to Han. As for the “first love them”. When Williams said this of “Across the Stars” he meant that it’s the first love theme in that particular idiom: that of the doomed lovers. Technically, Leia’s Theme is a love theme, too, and that predates Han Solo and the Princess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 As "forgetful" as Williams apparently is, his TLJ score ended featuring a hell of a lot of returning themes. I'd be a little surprised if we got anymore than what was in that. Maybe one or two extras, but I'm not getting my hopes up for something like the ESB droid motif, personally. That's seems incredibly improbable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 5 hours ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: Yoda's theme returning is very believable though. Makes perfect sense to me after The Last Jedi, but perhaps a new arrangement would be a bit better rather than just quoting directly from ESB. A new arrangement, you say? 19 hours ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: The droid motif from ESB would be an absolute delight, but I'm more hopeful for a fine balance of nostalgia and freshness rather than a large amount of both big and obscure references. Honestly, and I can't even tell you why, but I'm really hoping for that one to return as well. If the rumors are to be believed that... Spoiler Threepio and recovering his memory plays a large role in this one... ...Then I can see the need to indulge in a reprisal appropriate. Say, for example, that... Spoiler ...Threepio unintentionally says something that makes the characters realize he is the key they need. You have quick cuts from Finn, Rey, and Poe as they all exchange glances and realize the significance Threepio now holds before the camera then cuts to Threepio and pushes in towards his "puzzled" expression ("What? Was it something I said?") while a slower and more sustained statement of the theme plays on lower brass. Williams has always said that he loves returning to Star Wars partly because he has this large tapestry of themes to draw from and add to so I'm hoping that he feels able to just go crazy and have fun with this one. The Illustrious Jerry and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 So, what I get out of this is: it will have many thematic quotes from previous movies, and it will have those themes for two or three bars, until it veers into JW 2010 filler again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Cerebral Cortex said: A new arrangement, you say? I would love if Mutter somehow got in on a few cues. Star Wars and solo violin are two things we don't see together often that are just so darn good! 3 hours ago, Cerebral Cortex said: Honestly, and I can't even tell you why, but I'm really hoping for that one to return as well. If the rumors are to be believed that... Reveal hidden contents Threepio and recovering his memory plays a large role in this one... ...Then I can see the need to indulge in a reprisal appropriate. Say, for example, that... Reveal hidden contents ...Threepio unintentionally says something that makes the characters realize he is the key they need. You have quick cuts from Finn, Rey, and Poe as they all exchange glances and realize the significance Threepio now holds before the camera then cuts to Threepio and pushes in towards his "puzzled" expression ("What? Was it something I said?") while a slower and more sustained statement of the theme plays on lower brass. That actually sounds really plausible! It's just such a cheery and innocent little motif- it's delicious! Fabulin and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pro-arte 22 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 On 8/11/2019 at 12:48 PM, Modest Expectations said: So... the music is getting more complex; lots of themes return in subtle and interesting ways there are going to be 135 minutes of music, with the film plausibly clocking at 2h 15min / 2h 20min and so far only 34 have been recorded, over 4 days (8,5min/day) - but possibly he does not count the session in June Nice to have the things that so far have been only expected confirmed "on paper" I really hope it will be subtle , and not as in TLJ where we heard the concert piece of Yoda and Leia ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 4 hours ago, pro-arte said: I really hope it will be subtle , and not as in TLJ where we heard the concert piece of Yoda and Leia ... To be fair, the Yoda suite was only used in the OST version of the end credits, likely because Williams loves that theme and probably just wanted a new recording on his soundtrack assembly (like the extended Throne Room suite they recorded specifically for the ROTS OST). And the concert version of Leia's Theme has never been heard inside any of the films up to this point, just fragments of her theme. So technically its first appearance is in TLJ (and it's an adaptation anyway, not note-for-note tracking or anything like that). MikeH and kelliwisethebrave 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Don got more precise in a new exclusive interview: « Be prepared to hear great Star Wars old themes like The Asteroid Field, The Imperial March, Cantina Band, The Flying Theme, Raider’s March and the Shark Cage Fugue. My brother definitely have a better memory than me! » rpvee and The Illustrious Jerry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 2 hours ago, crumbs said: To be fair, the Yoda suite was only used in the OST version of the end credits, likely because Williams loves that theme and probably just wanted a new recording on his soundtrack assembly (like the extended Throne Room suite they recorded specifically for the ROTS OST). And the concert version of Leia's Theme has never been heard inside any of the films up to this point, just fragments of her theme. So technically its first appearance is in TLJ (and it's an adaptation anyway, not note-for-note tracking or anything like that). And in the SACRED JEDI TEXTS!!!! Scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,419 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Fal J. M. Skywalker said: And in the SACRED JEDI TEXTS!!!! Scene. OOOOooooOOOOo! Read them, have you? Page turners, they were not. Smaug The Iron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Read this instead. The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,660 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 10 hours ago, Bellosh said: OOOOooooOOOOo! Read them, have you? Page turners, they were not. A very ironic line given the mediocrity of the story within which it is uttered. igger6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeH 768 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Dammit, all the cool Don Williams video segments have been removed from the Scoring Arts YouTube channel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,913 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 On 4/7/2020 at 3:45 PM, MikeH said: Dammit, all the cool Don Williams video segments have been removed from the Scoring Arts YouTube channel. Scoring Arts allows access to all their full videos through membership (at various cost breakdowns) on their site at various membership levels. In short, those videos are available in full but for members. Those youtube videos are teasers. It's a nonprofit organization but incurs significant costs to exist hence a membership fee to access the full benefits. https://scoringarts.com/membership-join/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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