Popular Post crumbs 14,316 Posted October 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 14, 2021 Splitting this out from the Chicago thread, because it's a bit off-topic there. 10 hours ago, Jay said: When will principal photography be over? How long will it take between then and when Mangold has a cut ready he wants Williams to compose to? According to Banderas, they're shooting until December. As for how quickly Mangold can turn around films: 3:10 to Yuma - Wrapped Jan 20, 2007, released Aug 21, 2007 (7 month turnaround) The Wolverine - Wrapped Nov 21, 2012, scoring sessions March, released July 26, 2013 (8 month turnaround) Logan - Wrapped Aug 23, 2016, released Feb 17, 2017 (6 month turnaround) No confirmation on Indy 5's editor yet but safe bet it'll be Mike McCusker. This is a great interview where he discusses his workflow with Mangold: In summary, Mike edits the entire film in previz before shooting starts, works during principal photography (staying within a day or two of dailies), and replaces previz shots with actual footage as Mangold shoots it. His first cut is usually ready two weeks after production ends, at which point Mangold starts his director's cut. So based on that timeline, a preview screening for Williams in January seems possible, after which he'll go off and start sketching themes. The actual spotting session would presumably happen later, in February? In 2012 Williams said he was averaging, "as much as a minute done or a minute and a half done in a day." So is January through May (with sessions after Carnegie Hall on April 21) sufficient to complete an Indiana Jones score, at 90 years old? He must be aiming to finish before June, with Chicago and Milan on the agenda. ConorPower, Remco, Bayesian and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 I’m sure it will be okay. As long as he doesn’t have to write a 4-hour score for a 2,5 hour movie! 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,658 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 I am of the opinion that Williams has already starting scoring. I think he read the script in part to begin sketching themes to expedite the scoring upon seeing the cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted October 14, 2021 Author Share Posted October 14, 2021 It could explain why he read the script in advance, yeah. Mangold would probably just answer if someone tweeted him the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Could it be possible that Williams wrote some materials before seeing the first cut, based on the script or the previz? If Mangold already have some kind of cut made with the previz, one could consider that Williams might have already start to develop the general main theme of the movie I'm purely speculating though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 This is a great question that we can only speculate about. I do think that since Fabelmans has already wrapped shooting and Indy 5 is still shooting for 2 more months, JW will do Fabelmans first, then Indy 5. So if he sits down with Spielberg to watch a rough cut of The Fabelmans this month, October of 2021, and composes the score from then through the holidays or so, the whole score could be recorded in January. Then he sees an Indy 5 rough cut in January or February 2022, and begins composing cues at his house from then until Carnegie Hall in April. Then maybe a bunch of recording sessions throughout May, before he leaves for his 2 big concerts, then records revisions, inserts, and pickups in late June or early July before the film opens in late July? Something like that? Once and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, May the Force be with You said: Could it be possible that Williams wrote some materials before seeing the first cut, based on the script or the previz? If Mangold already have some kind of cut made with the previz, one could consider that Williams might have already start to develop the general main theme of the movie I'm purely speculating though Hmmm, that's an interesting point, it's kinda possible a composer could begin crafting a score to the previz like that, sure. Something tells me Williams isn't a guy who wants to work like that though, and wants to see the actor's performances and scope of the location shooting to influence his work. Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted October 14, 2021 Author Share Posted October 14, 2021 There's no reason he couldn't be fed completed scenes to score, if the editor is assembling the film while production is ongoing. That would explain why he read the script in advance (for context of where these scenes fit into the overall story). Didn't he score WOTW that way? Just individual scenes as they were ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Yea, interesting ideas. It'd be great if Mangold talks about the scoring process eventually, or we get a scoring featurette on the BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Jay said: Yea, interesting ideas. It'd be great if Mangold talks about the scoring process eventually, or we get a scoring featurette on the BD Of that, I have no doubt. I’d be disappointed if there wasn’t a featurette, but the likely hood is that there will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 I think any new methods that give him time to write before the final edit would be welcome by him. Afte what happened on TROS he might have asked to see the previz while assuming it won't be too far from the final cut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Maybe. I think it all depends on if he is doing Fabelmans first or Indy 5 first. We know he doesn't like to do two projects at once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted October 14, 2021 Author Share Posted October 14, 2021 Mangold seems excited to work with him so I'm sure he'll be happy to discuss their collaboration. I'm more curious about how involved Spielberg will be in the scoring process. Clearly he was intimately involved in the scoring of the first four films. Will be hand off all involvement to Mangold, even feedback on JW's sketches and new themes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,658 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Maybe its time for one of JWFan's classic "Dual-Scoring" announcements about Fablemans and Indy. Williams writes some interchangeable cues and the directors plug them in as necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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crumbs 14,316 Posted October 14, 2021 Author Share Posted October 14, 2021 It's all Spielberg's fault! He keeps scheduling new movies that clash with Williams' other projects. It's uncanny how often it happens. Would prefer some clear air between the two scores but what can ya do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonb 118 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 I would imagine he is already working on the score. even just in his head , as he has read the script Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 2 hours ago, crumbs said: There's no reason he couldn't be fed completed scenes to score, if the editor is assembling the film while production is ongoing. Those "Reel 0" cues for TROS and (especially) TLJ seem to indicate he scored some scenes before a complete cut of the film was assembled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, BrotherSound said: Those "Reel 0" cues for (...) TLJ seem to indicate he scored some scenes before a complete cut of the film was assembled. And the complete Fathiers sequence "deleted scene" definitely proves he scored that entire setpiece when it was still in a previs+rough footage assembly state, and seemingly didn't go back to it later even when it was edited down? BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Holko said: And the complete Fathiers sequence "deleted scene" definitely proves he scored that entire setpiece when it was still in a previs+rough footage assembly state, and seemingly didn't go back to it later even when it was edited down? Oooh, good point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ciarlese 250 Posted October 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 14, 2021 He just said in concert that he will be starting writing the music for the new Indiana Jones in 1-2 weeks 😁 Falstaft, BB-8, Taikomochi and 15 others 10 3 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Once 605 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, ciarlese said: He just said in concert that he will be starting writing the music for the new Indiana Jones in 1-2 weeks 😁 I was just about to say! So awesome! Andy and BB-8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 8 minutes ago, ciarlese said: He just said in concert that he will be starting writing the music for the new Indiana Jones in 1-2 weeks 😁 Wow! Great scoop! @Ricard BB-8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 hour ago, ciarlese said: He just said in concert that he will be starting writing the music for the new Indiana Jones in 1-2 weeks 😁 AWESOME!!! BB-8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 hour ago, ciarlese said: He just said in concert that he will be starting writing the music for the new Indiana Jones in 1-2 weeks 😁 Wonderful! BB-8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 He also joked about the fact that we will still have to wait until next summer to hear it Can wait for that but so glad that it's coming so fast BB-8 and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted October 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 14, 2021 Love the feeling that it's officially happening, that we're for sure getting more John Williams music for an Indiana Jones film. Still hasn't quite sunk in yet. Brando, BB-8, crumbs and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GlastoEls 563 Posted October 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 14, 2021 Audience reacted so positively when he said the news tonight! Falstaft, Cerebral Cortex, Brando and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Remco 685 Posted October 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 14, 2021 Also something to note is that he said we would be able to see it next ‘spring…. Or summer….’ Which indicates to me there’s no delay with scoring. Brando, BB-8 and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,658 Posted October 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 14, 2021 Funny that with this thread, none of us speculated that Williams himself would answer the question. Holko, Martinland, Falstaft and 5 others 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,482 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 I started yesterday, give me a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Tom said: Funny that with this thread, none of us speculated that Williams himself would answer the question. It's hard to count on him giving news in his concert addresses but I'm not surprised when he does either. I didn't expect he'd get going on Indy before it seems like they've wrapped, though. Unless this means they're close and then he'll meet with Mangold right away. I suppose if they're cutting as they go they have at least a few sequences he can start on which happened with Force Awakens, I think? Seem to remember that was like the first time he'd just been shown a portion of a movie first instead of the whole thing. Obviously if Mangold's got more ready for him then so much the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 4 hours ago, May the Force be with You said: He also joked about the fact that we will still have to wait until next summer to hear it Can wait for that but so glad that it's coming so fast So it's not delayed yet? (not that Disney has has a big track record of doing that) 1 hour ago, Tom said: Funny that with this thread, none of us speculated that Williams himself would answer the question. And 30 minutes after the thread was posted! crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 Awesome news to wake up to! Could be a hybrid TFA/WOTW schedule, with Williams scoring isolated sequences and (maybe) recording in blocks across the first half of 2022. Imagine if he has a scoring session by January! This probably explains why he read the script in advance and Mangold said he was, "ready to go" a few months back. To think he's probably been plotting out themes and ideas for the score for months already... 1 hour ago, mrbellamy said: I suppose if they're cutting as they go they have at least a few sequences he can start on which happened with Force Awakens, I think? Seem to remember that was like the first time he'd just been shown a portion of a movie first instead of the whole thing. Obviously if Mangold's got more ready for him then so much the better. Mangold's editor said he stays within a day or two of dailies, assembling the film during production. I think that's standard on modern blockbusters, because ILM need completed sequences before they can start the VFX work. They also had the big hiatus when Ford was injured. Mangold probably used that time to polish what was already shot. They could just send Williams the two big sequences shot back in June/July: Spoiler The Nazi Germany flashback at the castle/on the steam train The big 1969 Apollo parade chase sequence That should carry him through most of November. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 hour ago, mrbellamy said: I suppose if they're cutting as they go they have at least a few sequences he can start on which happened with Force Awakens, I think? Seem to remember that was like the first time he'd just been shown a portion of a movie first instead of the whole thing. Obviously if Mangold's got more ready for him then so much the better. Tintin was done that way, and War of the Worlds before that mrbellamy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 Yeah I just checked the WOTW featurette and Colin Wilson mentions that post-production started six weeks into filming, when they sent Williams sequences to start scoring. Must have been right after he finished ROTS in February. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BrotherSound 2,242 Posted October 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 15, 2021 16 hours ago, mrbellamy said: Seem to remember that was like the first time he'd just been shown a portion of a movie first instead of the whole thing. Spielberg mentioned in the liner notes of Hook that JW started scoring that film with only 47 minutes of edited footage: crumbs, Brando and mrbellamy 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonb 118 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Indiana jones 5 delayed a bloody year. No score next year for that at least. Gutted. Andy, Raiders of the SoundtrArk, ConorPower and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,128 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Yep. Frank Marshall just confirmed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 i saw, woah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted October 18, 2021 Author Share Posted October 18, 2021 Fun piece of trivia caused by the delay: both Star Wars and Indiana Jones will now have the exact same interval between their first and last scores: 42 years! (1977-2019 and 1981-2023 respectively). Edmilson, BrotherSound, Fabulin and 6 others 2 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Woah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 JW mentioned on Thursday that the movie will be out by next Summer so either he wasn't aware of this date change or the decision was only made in the last few days. Brando and Disco Stu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 On 15/10/2021 at 3:17 AM, Not Mr. Big said: So it's not delayed yet? This hasn't aged well. Brando and Edmilson 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 7 hours ago, crumbs said: Fun piece of trivia caused by the delay: both Star Wars and Indiana Jones will now have the exact same interval between their first and last scores: 42 years! (1977-2019 and 1981-2023 respectively). “Coincidence? I think NOT!” Indiana Jones 5 is the final installment in the Indy Saga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 638 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 You ever go through the official Indiana Jones Twitter? It's mostly just them announcing the delays and new release dates. crumbs, Brando, Edmilson and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,658 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 This may have little impact on the scoring timeline. Everyone working on the movie will need to be paid more if time is added to post-production (which Disney will not want). Stick with the current production schedule and release it in 23. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 6 hours ago, Damien F said: JW mentioned on Thursday that the movie will be out by next Summer so either he wasn't aware of this date change or the decision was only made in the last few days. With the release date being June 30, 2023, technically, Maestro John Williams was right when he said, "you’ll still have to wait until next summer to hear it." Next summer refers to 2023. We are currently in the Fall season; if one were to say, "this summer," one would be referring to the upcoming summer of 2022. You'd be forgiven for thinking otherwise, though. Martinland, Fabulin and Sandor 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SilverTrumpet 638 Posted October 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 19, 2021 11 hours ago, JohnnyD said: With the release date being June 30, 2023, technically, Maestro John Williams was right when he said, "you’ll still have to wait until next summer to hear it." Next summer refers to 2023. We are currently in the Fall season; if one were to say, "this summer," one would be referring to the upcoming summer of 2022. You'd be forgiven for thinking otherwise, though. Bayesian, blondheim, Martinland and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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