Popular Post Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted May 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2022 1 minute ago, GerateWohl said: But what we are hearing there is neither a theme nor Star Wars, it is just rhythmic chord pastiche, like @Edmilson wrote What? Ed wrote a theme as well? mstrox, MikeH, Edmilson and 1 other 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,383 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 8 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: What? Ed wrote a theme as well? Almost. He commented it. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 I havent seen the episodes yet, as im far from a big tv right now, but the comments here are saddening, its the confirmation of what i expected from holt. Thank god at least williams and ross are there to fix it a little. if holt was a male composer he would have been outright rejected and the show completely rescored, but being so overtly advertised as the first star wars female composer they just couldnt do it. shame they didnt hire a woman with orchestral sensibilites like nami melumad. JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 16 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said: nami melumad Did you just make that up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 994 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 I'd normally say this is probably more the fault of the filmmaker's wants of the project, but we have a bizarre halfway point where there's two very different sound visions present that constantly shift in the show thus far. Kind of makes me think we have a bit of a Mystery Men/Age of Ultron situation, where the producers realized their initial requests was the wrong way to go, yet couldn't really make a whole new score with the time they had. Except even that might not even be the full extent of it, since I had gotten the impression Holt's involvement was also a bit last minute. It just spells "big mess" all around, and I wonder why they couldn't have just waited to refine things (besides really needing to coincide with a franchise milestone). Stark, Not Mr. Big and Evanus 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post artguy360 1,844 Posted May 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2022 25 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said: I havent seen the episodes yet, as im far from a big tv right now, but the comments here are saddening, its the confirmation of what i expected from holt. Thank god at least williams and ross are there to fix it a little. if holt was a male composer he would have been outright rejected and the show completely rescored, but being so overtly advertised as the first star wars female composer they just couldnt do it. shame they didnt hire a woman with orchestral sensibilites like nami melumad. You seem a little fixated with Holt's gender. Plenty of men write passable soundtracks, including for other Disney+ shows and their work hasn't been rejected. The fact that you haven't watched the show but are willing to make the judgment and assumption that had Holt been male her score would have been rejected is really something. DarthDementous, a good little monkey, GerateWohl and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HunterTech 994 Posted May 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2022 They threw out Desplat for Balfe on Black Widow. That should tell you everything. Edmilson, ZenLogic101 and Jurassic Shark 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 I knew it would be pointed. Im not fixated because i think its the first time i wrote about holts gender. I was afraid to, really, due to recent times’ sensibilities. I think that unlike the mandalorian shows, this series is about a legacy character, and the point that williams came late in the game with the company trying to save the day speaks by itself. 2 minutes ago, HunterTech said: They threw out Desplat for Balfe on Black Widow. That should tell you everything. Yeah the problem is really in disney music department 25 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Did you just make that up? You dont know her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 994 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 Even then, I feel these composers are done a great disservice by the projects they're given, since TBoBF and Obi-Wan (so far) have more divided the masses than really pleased. They've shown talent elsewhere, so it's kind of a bit unfair to say their sensibilities are naturally RCP fluff. Of course, I acknowledge we've been spoiled by JW, Goldsmith, Horner, and other classic composers making the most out of subpar projects. But since the sensibilities of studios then differ greatly from now, I just wonder if the digital age has done more to fracture the creative process based on what's asked of most composers now. ZenLogic101 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 I cant understand how kennedy praises williams publicly so much and yet she is so happy to encourage directors and these their composers to do their own thing instead of trying to blend into williams legacy. maybe is lucas fault because he started it with the clone wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 21 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said: You dont know her? What has she done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondFire 67 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 me being the only person who actually loves Holt's stuff: Docteur Qui and JNHFan2000 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: What has she done? The last Medal of Honor and other Gia's related stuff Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_grig 472 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 53 minutes ago, DIamondFire said: me being the only person who actually loves Holt's stuff: i like it too! the music for leia on alderaan is awesome Falstaft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,383 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Michael G. said: the music for leia on alderaan is terrible Fixed. 2 hours ago, Luke Skywalker said: if holt was a male composer he would have been outright rejected and the show completely rescored, but being so overtly advertised as the first star wars female composer they just couldnt do it. I don't think so. One reason why she as the composer was announced so late, was that they didn't need to announce a composer change in case they were not satisfied with her work. So, I am sure, they were very happy with it. michael_grig and Jurassic Shark 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Anthony 572 Posted May 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2022 Why isn't Gordy Haab getting hired for all this stuff? It's beyond me. DarthDementous, Tiburon, BrotherSound and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post John F 100 Posted May 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2022 14 minutes ago, Anthony said: Why isn't Gordy Haab getting hired for all this stuff? It's beyond me. Couldn’t agree more!! MaxTheHouseelf, Tydirium and 1977 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Evanus 217 Posted May 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2022 Holt's stuff sounds totally generic to my ears, apart from a few highlights here and there. I hope it improves in the coming episodes. It's just so disappointing they didn't get someone capable of delivering a lush orchestral score, that actually sounds like a bridge between ROTS and ANH. Imagine Powell or James Newton Howard doing this score, working with Williams' new theme.. that would've been so exciting. igger6, Tydirium, 1977 and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_grig 472 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 3 hours ago, Luke Skywalker said: shame they didnt hire a woman with orchestral sensibilites like nami melumad. You haven't even seen her work and you are already judging Holt in a malicious way. That is very dishonest. JTN and DarthDementous 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted May 28, 2022 Author Share Posted May 28, 2022 3 hours ago, HunterTech said: I had gotten the impression Holt's involvement was also a bit last minute. It wasn't last minute, her first meeting was before Loki had even premiered: https://variety.com/2022/artisans/news/obi-wan-kenobi-composer-natalie-holt-star-wars-music-1235277978/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 15 minutes ago, Michael G. said: You haven't even seen her work and you are already judging Holt in a malicious way. That is very dishonest. I saw the opening sequence. And i trust the judment of people here. And i heard loki… Tydirium and JTN 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondFire 67 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 3 hours ago, Michael G. said: i like it too! the music for leia on alderaan is awesome Yeah some of the best music I've heard since Solo for sure for Alderaan stuff. I love that happy vibe. Surprised people didn't like the Loki score? Me and everyone I know loved it, especially the supermarket music and the "protect the timekeepers" fight. I'm not sure I would've wanted Gordy Haab? Like he's cool and all but there's no song he's made that I'd actually listen to outside of where it's from. Maybe that's just a side effect of it being for a Video Game though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 First episode watched. My opinion has not changed. What a missed opportunity Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark 316 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 The material by Williams and William (heh) is really great, I have mixed feelings about Holt’s side of things. I wonder when we’ll start to get quotes of other JW themes... Evanus and Tydirium 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,147 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 Likely in the final two episodes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 8 hours ago, Anthony said: I've only watched episode 1, but the show isn't exactly that inspiring to begin with. Hide contents I enjoyed seeing a-day-in-the-life-of Obi-Wan, but then we saw it two more times. So little actually happened. The Jedi hunter villains are terrible, the chase in the forest was comically bad - how can 3 dudes not outrun a tiny child?! They were literally tripping over each other like they were completely inept. Yet in the next scene, we're supposed to feel threatened by them? Other than McGregor, the acting is terrible. Spoiler Bail and Owen were not acted terribly, and the child actor for Leia is decent, it’s just the material they give her at times comes across as awkward for a 10 year old to be saying, even a precocious one 36 minutes ago, DIamondFire said: Yeah some of the best music I've heard since Solo for sure for Alderaan stuff. I love that happy vibe. Surprised people didn't like the Loki score? Me and everyone I know loved it, especially the supermarket music and the "protect the timekeepers" fight. I'm not sure I would've wanted Gordy Haab? Like he's cool and all but there's no song he's made that I'd actually listen to outside of where it's from. Maybe that's just a side effect of it being for a Video Game though Have you heard Jedi Fallen Order by chance? Technically a collaboration between Haab and Barton but I think it’s his strongest soundtrack that is also a satisfying listening experience on its own. Particular shout out to this track which does an excellent job of conveying a sense of finality and doom: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,642 Posted May 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2022 Musical references to the prequels were few and far between in the Disney films so it's great that Holt is finally able to pay tribute to... Hans Zimmer. ZenLogic101, MikeH, Tydirium and 8 others 1 1 4 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 If she scores Vader's entrance with the Horn of Doom I'm outahere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondFire 67 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 1 hour ago, DarthDementous said: Reveal hidden contents Bail and Owen were not acted terribly, and the child actor for Leia is decent, it’s just the material they give her at times comes across as awkward for a 10 year old to be saying, even a precocious one Have you heard Jedi Fallen Order by chance? Technically a collaboration between Haab and Barton but I think it’s his strongest soundtrack that is also a satisfying listening experience on its own. Particular shout out to this track which does an excellent job of conveying a sense of finality and doom: This is my favourite song of his! I agree it conveys these themes.. I still don't think I'd just chuck it on but it's great. I love what Natalie did with this part of the song. It's like... I don't even know what instrument that is but it sounds orchestral but also electronic at the same time and I LOVE IT Chewy, Tydirium and Evanus 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tydirium 1,167 Posted May 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2022 58 minutes ago, DIamondFire said: This is my favourite song of his! I agree it conveys these themes.. I still don't think I'd just chuck it on but it's great. I love what Natalie did with this part of the song. It's like... I don't even know what instrument that is but it sounds orchestral but also electronic at the same time and I LOVE IT It just sounds like typical modern action scoring... It could literally fit in just about any other modern show; nothing about it screams "Star Wars" to my ears. 4 hours ago, Luke Skywalker said: I saw the opening sequence. And i trust the judment of people here. And i heard loki… That opening recap of the prequels is one of the worst parts of the show thus far. At first, the fan in me was excited to see all those clips again, but the score completely ruined it. It felt wrong (and cringey) seeing all those scenes that were originally scored with JW's music, now scored with this dime-a-dozen modern sound. I can't help but wonder, why couldn't they have given that bit to William Ross? He could have easily come up with something much better, maybe even sensibly weaving in themes from the films. MikeH, igger6, ZenLogic101 and 4 others 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 I wonder where her love for star wars talked about in the interview is. Its not that she uses williams music with modern vibes, she does not use his themes at all. well maybe in the last episodes she becomes more classic sound, as stated in the interview that chow at first said to modernise and then said to be more classic… Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 I wouldn't get my hopes up too much. I mean, the fact that she didn't even use Leia's theme once, the fact that she didn't use the Force theme at that big moment towards the end of the second episode... There were slam-dunk moments that could have been perfect. Keep in mind that this show is only 6 episodes; we're already a third of the way done with it. artus_grayboot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew 590 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 How much of this awful music was even composed by Holt? And why is an additional music composer working with the JW theme? ZenLogic101, Tydirium, JTN and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 11 minutes ago, Drew said: How much of this awful music was even composed by Holt? And why is an additional music composer working with the JW theme? This makes my blood boil. To be fair, Batu Sener and co. got to work with JW's Solo theme for that film. ...But the difference of course in that case was that Powell actually personally worked with Williams for that film; they met up to bounce ideas around and play their music for one another, I'm pretty sure they watched the movie together with Ron Howard, etc. In this case, we have a composer who JW never really even met until the premiere the other day, and by her own admission, they didn't actually collaborate together (though for a while, the media sure seemed to try and make it seem like this was just another Solo situation). If you think about it, the mere fact of William Ross' involvement could almost be seen as a sign that JW didn't entirely trust Holt alone to handle his new theme. I wonder how exactly Ross' hiring came about, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was part of the deal in order for Williams to agree to come back and write a new theme. If JW evidently wasn't even totally comfortable with his new theme being handled by the main credited composer for the score, then I think it's safe to say that he also wouldn't be comfortable with these other people. ZenLogic101 and JTN 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Drew 590 Posted May 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2022 According to the credits, there are three additional music composers. And that might just be for one episode. Three additional music composers are enough to score six episodes of a show. The math doesn't add up. What did Holt actually work on? Tydirium, Edmilson, MikeH and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bespin 8,484 Posted May 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2022 I see William Ross's involment as a reason why John Williams accepted to write a theme for Obi-Wan Kenobi: he didn't have time to write more than a theme and he needed help from a trusted collaborator to do the rest of the job. No, JW didn't have time to sit with Ms Holt and talk about the development of the theme. But I understand that and it doesn't bother me at all. We should be happy that John Williams wrote that theme. Period. DangerMotif, 1977, michael_grig and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Bespin said: We should be happy that John Williams wrote that theme. Period. Exactly, this theme is a blessing and we're not going to worry about anything else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,969 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 I know we have had 2 episodes. But maybe we should wait with all the negative judgement etc after all 6 episodes. Who knows what Holt does with the next 4 episodes. We have had pretty much everything from the trailers in the first 2 episodes. So there's is a lot more coming I believe. I am very confident that we'll get some big orchestral moments in the next 4 episodes. The only real action we've had is that rooftop chase which had more 'modern' drums in it like with Mandalorian, but Holt is also using a lot of orchestra. I'm confident that we'll here more of it and Williams' themes. And maybe there haven't been a lot of Williams' themes in the Disney+ series because of rights and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Drew 590 Posted May 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2022 Disney owns the JW themes. It's not a rights issue. They're already paying JW royalties for his own Kenobi theme. ZenLogic101, Tydirium, JNHFan2000 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tydirium 1,167 Posted May 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2022 32 minutes ago, JNHFan2000 said: I know we have had 2 episodes. But maybe we should wait with all the negative judgement etc after all 6 episodes. Who knows what Holt does with the next 4 episodes. We have had pretty much everything from the trailers in the first 2 episodes. So there's is a lot more coming I believe. I am very confident that we'll get some big orchestral moments in the next 4 episodes. The only real action we've had is that rooftop chase which had more 'modern' drums in it like with Mandalorian, but Holt is also using a lot of orchestra. I'm confident that we'll here more of it and Williams' themes. And maybe there haven't been a lot of Williams' themes in the Disney+ series because of rights and stuff. 2 episodes in a 6-episode show (and it's a limited series, meaning there are no more seasons planned) is a third of the show. I don't see why we shouldn't judge what we've heard, because even if there end up being some decent moments in the course of the next four episodes, that still doesn't excuse what we got in these first two: The show opens with a lengthy recap of the prequel films, and yet the music that accompanies those classic scenes sounds nothing like JW's Star Wars. Then (if I recall correctly), the very first actual scene of the show is an Order 66 action scene in the Jedi Temple (therefore, it is set during ROTS)... and yet the music sounds like typical modern action scoring, with cheesy rhythmic percussion and electronic elements—nothing like JW's Star Wars. There's really just no excuse for it. This isn't just some other show like Mando or Boba Fett; this is basically Episode 3.5. If any show should sound as close to the traditional JW sound as possible, it's this one. It's pretty depressing to think that Gordy Haab's upcoming Fallen Order 2 video game score is going to sound closer to John Williams' Star Wars (both in its composition, and the fact that it's with the London musicians just like the PT and OT), than the show that features the return of Ewan McGregor, Hayden Christensen, Jimmy Smitts, etc. igger6, DarthDementous, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and 12 others 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Edmilson 7,474 Posted May 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2022 3 hours ago, DIamondFire said: Just saw this video and geez, the music isn't good. It could've been written for almost any other modern thriller on TV these days. MikeH, Tydirium and Chewy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tydirium 1,167 Posted May 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2022 48 minutes ago, Edmilson said: Just saw this video and geez, the music isn't good. It could've been written for almost any other modern thriller on TV these days. Not only that, but I just realized: this isn't just some random action scene. This is Order 66, a major event that we've already seen on-screen multiple times (ROTS, Fallen Order, The Clone Wars, Bad Batch), and it's worth noting that every previous depiction of it has been scored with JW's music/themes. And not only that, but every previous depiction has expressed the extreme importance and tragedy of what's happening: this is the fall of the Jedi Order that has been around for thousands of years! Yet Holt treats it as though it is just some random clone trooper attack! It's totally possible to convey a sense of urgency in music, while still expressing tragedy and loss at the same time, but that's not what we got. Compare this Order 66 scene to any of the others, and it almost seems like a joke. It comes across that Holt has no clue about the importance of the event she scored here. Not a good way to start the show... MaxTheHouseelf, ZenLogic101, Edmilson and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laserschwert 475 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Drew said: Disney owns the JW themes. I'm not sure if that is true. At least I know for a fact that before the Disney merger even LucasArts had to license Star Wars music to be used in their games. Of course this doesn't change the fact that it wouldn't have broken their bank to license more of his themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Laserschwert said: I'm not sure if that is true. At least I know for a fact that before the Disney merger even LucasArts had to license Star Wars music to be used in their games. Of course this doesn't change the fact that it wouldn't have broken their bank to license more of his themes. Bantha music sounds rather in-house name so it could have been free fees to use within lucasfilm companies. But the copyright had to be created if it was licensed outside the company Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 4 hours ago, DIamondFire said: This is my favourite song of his! I agree it conveys these themes.. I still don't think I'd just chuck it on but it's great. There are 44 tracks in that soundtrack alone, not to mention Haab's other SW soundtracks; sorry, but I find it a bit hard to believe that @DarthDementous just happened to pick your single favorite one, out of all that he's written... DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 I enjoyed the Loki score but I don't think i'll like this Edmilson and Tydirium 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 I didn't notice until second viewing (first time I was concentrating more on the story/visuals) how lame the music during Vader's reveal was. I'd like to think one of the less-experienced additional composers did that one. Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Tydirium said: There are 44 tracks in that soundtrack alone, not to mention Haab's other SW soundtracks; sorry, but I find it a bit hard to believe that @DarthDementous just happened to pick your single favorite one, out of all that he's written... Perhaps they mean it’s now their favourite after listening to it for the first time Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAvengerButton 175 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 It's funny how much Goransson's material shines when put side to side with what Holt has given thus far. In some of the quieter moments the score is nice and wistful but some of this action scoring is very industry-standard and not reaching any sort of height. Compare to the Pirate march from Mando Chapter 4 or Gideon's theme. I thoroughly enjoyed her score for Loki and this is not giving me any inspiration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,038 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 23 hours ago, Edmilson said: So, when these young and "hip" composers say they want to bring a "fresh new sound" to Star Wars, they actually mean they will just regurgitate RCP crap and trailer music-style "epicness". Ugh Britell is great but he said he isn't really using JWs star wars style, they act like its a burden Natalie Holt is great and her work on Loki may be the best non Silvestri Marvel music. Judging by her interviews she seems to give a vibe that she wasn't so happy about the williams theme, and says how great the Loki experience was over and over which gives the vibe that. obi wan wasn't. idk might just be me but I feel like there was alot of friction with her score and idk what control she really had of the final product. it's a real shame because the material she could use has so much potential Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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