Star Wars: Dawn of the Jedi (James Mangold)

[Edmilson 7,466]

Star Wars Announces New Films Including Dawn of the Jedi from Logan Director

 

Lucasfilm announces a slew of new Star Wars movies, including Dawn of the Jedi which will be helmed by Logan director James Mangold.

 

A bevy of new Star Wars movies are in production.

 

Announced as a part of Star Wars Celebration 2023, the trio of movies will span a time period of 5000 years, stretching across multiple eras of the galaxy far, far away. While details are still slim, one of these is already titled Dawn of the Jedi and will be directed by James Mangold. While a specific release date has yet to be revealed, Lucasfilm confirmed it was aiming for a December 2025.

 

https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-new-films-dawn-of-the-jedi-james-magold/

 

Kewl

[Brando 1,864]

YES!!!!! This sounds super cool. Looks like a Prequel, a movie before TFA, and one after TROS.

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/star-wars-movies-dave-filoni-james-mangold-1235576542/

[Edmilson 7,466]

As much as Mangold seemed to love working with Williams on Indy 5, I wouldn't get my hopes high just yet for a new JW SW score.

 

More likely this will be Marco Beltrami's first Star Wars movie.

[Jay 37,369]

WOAH

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

Ok… lets hope these get released. At least the filoni one seems a given.

 

the other two…. Could go the patty jenkins way sadly….

[PrayodiBA 517]

1 hour ago, Edmilson said:

 

More likely this will be Marco Beltrami's first Star Wars movie.

This can also be the second John Powell SW score, as James Mandgold is the producer of Call of the wild and director of Knight & Day, both were scored by Powell 

 

🤞

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

As a curiosity, this is the second time disney borrows an Old expanded universe title for one of their movies.

 

https://www.darkhorse.com/Blog/1391/star-wars-dawn-jedi-void-novel-preview

 

 

 

 

[Jurassic Shark 12,080]

45 minutes ago, PrayodiBA said:

This can also be the second John Powell SW score, as James Mandgold is the producer of Call of the wild and director of Knight & Day, both were scored by Powell 

 

🤞

 

Or Giacchino, or Desplat...

[Bellosh 3,419]

So ummmm...Disney must have loved how Indy 5 turned out.

 

Good news for both franchises???

[Jay 37,369]

I'd say so

[Brónach 1,302]

they must like him

[Stark 316]

Mangold has worked with a lot of composers, so this could really have any composer.

[JNHFan2000 2,966]

It could, but since 3:10 To Yuma Btrami has been his go to composer with the exeption of Knight & Day.

So it's more likely to be Beltrami, but we'll see.

 

I don't see this film coming out anytime soon as Mangold has now 3 films in eitger (post)production or the writing stage

[Tom 4,665]

Man, a new Star Wars movie that might be Gold!   

[Edmilson 7,466]

He is the "next big thing" after all. But out of all his projects, I still think he'll prioritize SW, which, unlike Swamp Thing, has an expected release date.

[Romão 2,274]

The only thing that might make me excited about this is if JW scores it.  It sounds like it could be his first "swords and sandals epic" type of score

[crocodile 8,017]

I wouldn't mind hearing Marco Beltrami's Star Wars.

 

Katol

[Richard Penna 3,694]

On 07/04/2023 at 7:11 PM, Bellosh said:

So ummmm...Disney must have loved how Indy 5 turned out.

 

Exactly what I was thinking... you don't offer a director SW if they've just tried to do an Indy movie and the suits didn't love it.

 

Musically, agree that at 'worst' it'll be Powell or Beltrami, and at best, Williams. Although of those three, I'd choose Powell personally.

[crocodile 8,017]

Well, they did offer Rian Johnson a trilogy before The Last Jedi came out so...

 

Karol

[Jurassic Shark 12,080]

Then TLJ came out and the trilogy died in silence...

[SilverTrumpet 638]

Meaning the same thing could happen here.

 

They really think they can get this thing out in a year and a half?

[Jurassic Shark 12,080]

2 minutes ago, SilverTrumpet said:

They really think they can get this thing out in a year and a half?

 

No, they think they can get it out in two years and eight months. 

[SilverTrumpet 638]

Yeesh, math is not my strong point first thing in the morning.

 

Still more time than The Rise of Palpatine got. 

[Jurassic Shark 12,080]

It's still little time, though. 

[Tom 4,665]

2 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said:

It's still little time, though. 

They'll just use the Dial.   

[TolkienSS 407]

To get this right: they made a Star Wars sequel trilogy, gave them to different directors, which turned out to be a disaster, and now they're making a new trilogy of movies, give them to different directors, and go "it'll be fine".

 

I predict none of these will be made.

[Manakin Skywalker 4,897]

Well none of these are part of a trilogy, they're just standalone films like Rogue One or Solo.

[DarthDementous 1,059]

Probably a much better idea, trying to go all in on a new trilogy was not a good idea. Try a bunch of things and then double down on the stuff that works instead of putting all your eggs in one basket

[Faleel 5,357]

https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/movies/star-wars-beau-willimon-co-204420432.html

 

An Andor writer co-writing this, he wrote the Prison Break episode and two others.

[Yavar Moradi 2,599]

Welp, I’m in!

 

The best part of the best Star Wars show, hands down. Mangold’s a good director and now I know I don’t have to worry about the script.

 

Yavar

[Bellosh 3,419]

The initial 'okayness' I had with Dial wore off fairly quickly.

 

The story was as hollow as my ex girlfriends heart.

 

I can only assume there will be plots and arcs resolved off screen in this SW movie 

 

Edit: me and @Yavar Moradiposting these at the same time is the duality of man.

[Yavar Moradi 2,599]

3 minutes ago, Bellosh said:

The initial 'okayness' I had with Dial wore off fairly quickly.

 

The story was as hollow as my ex girlfriends heart.

 

I can only assume there will be plots and arcs resolved off screen in this SW movie

But Dial of Destiny wasn’t written by this writer (story or script).

 

It’s not as if James Mangold wrote the script, either. He’s not Rian Johnson.

 

Yavar

[Faleel 5,357]

1 minute ago, Yavar Moradi said:

But Dial of Destiny wasn’t written by this writer (story or script).

 

It’s not as if James Mangold wrote the script, either. He’s not Rian Johnson.

 

Yavar

Who wrote Dial? Koepp?

[Bellosh 3,419]

Just now, Yavar Moradi said:

But Dial of Destiny wasn’t written by this writer (story or script).

 

It’s not as if James Mangold wrote the script, either. He’s not Rian Johnson.

 

Yavar

 

He's got a writing credit on it.

 

And he's pulled some of the stuff before.

 

I'm pessimistic to say the least.

 

But then again nothing can be worse than TROS

[Edmilson 7,466]

On 07/04/2023 at 3:11 PM, Bellosh said:

So ummmm...Disney must have loved how Indy 5 turned out.

 

I don't think they still feel love for Indy 5 after this:

 

And especially not after this:

 

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2024/03/31/indiana-jones-whips-up-130-million-loss-for-disney/

 

If (and that's a big if) Disney decides to continue with the project, there's a huge chance Mangold won't remain onboard and they'll just hire some other sucker director.

 

Also, Mangold has a Swamp Thing movie for DC, which Gunn described as a "passion project" for him. So, which one of these two career-killing franchises he will embark: Star Wars or DC?

[Bellosh 3,419]

1 minute ago, Edmilson said:

I don't think they still feel love for Indy 5 after this:

 

And especially not after this:

 

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2024/03/31/indiana-jones-whips-up-130-million-loss-for-disney/

 

If (and that's a big if) Disney decides to continue with the project, there's a huge chance Mangold won't remain onboard and they'll just hire some other sucker director.

 

Also, Mangold has a Swamp Thing movie for DC, which Gunn described as a "passion project" for him. So, which one of these two career-killing franchises he will embark: Star Wars or DC?

 

I have no idea how that audience score is 88%

 

After a rewatch of Dial everything was see through.

[Edmilson 7,466]

9 minutes ago, Bellosh said:

I have no idea how that audience score is 88%

 

@Jurassic Shark spent a whole weekend creating numerous accounts at Rotten Tomatoes to give a high score to Indy 5 

 

As for the box office, I still remember a year ago when some people thought Dial would be the Top Gun: Maverick of 2023 

[Yavar Moradi 2,599]

2 hours ago, Faleel said:

Who wrote Dial? Koepp?

Primarily, yes, I’m pretty sure. But I think there were several credited writers, which is probably why it felt such a mixed bag and “by committee”.

 

2 hours ago, Bellosh said:

He's got a writing credit on it.

Yeah I’m sure he offered some input but writing was not primarily his responsibility. He got a credit on Logan too, but I’m sure that script was good primarily because of Scott Frank, let’s be real here.

 

2 hours ago, Bellosh said:

I'm pessimistic to say the least.

Clearly.

 

2 hours ago, Bellosh said:

But then again nothing can be worse than TROS

Easily the worst Star Wars film of the Disney era, but I’d rather watch it a second time than any of the prequels.

 

Yavar

[Faleel 5,357]

8 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said:

 

Easily the worst Star Wars film of the Disney era, but I’d rather watch it a second time than any of the prequels.

 

Yavar

Eh, not me, but then I grew up with them lol

[Yavar Moradi 2,599]

6 minutes ago, Faleel said:

Eh, not me, but then I grew up with them lol

Nostalgia is certainly a powerful thing. I’m just barely old enough to have grown up on the pre-SE original trilogy… so when those came out I found them to be an abomination already, and then the prequels were like all the worst parts of those turned into full length films with terrible scripts, acting on green screens, and just the worst plotting and character development I’ve ever seen in films of that stature.

 

I’m sure there are kids who love The Rise of Skywalker who will grow up defending it as a great finale, lol. 🤷🏻‍♂️ 

 

Yavar

[HunterTech 994]

DoD is more interesting than TRoS ever will be, even if not quite for the reasons if should be.

[Faleel 5,357]

14 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said:

Nostalgia is certainly a powerful thing. I’m just barely old enough to have grown up on the pre-SE original trilogy… so when those came out I found them to be an abomination already, and then the prequels were like all the worst parts of those turned into full length films with terrible scripts, acting on green screens, and just the worst plotting and character development I’ve ever seen in films of that stature.

 

I’m sure there are kids who love The Rise of Skywalker who will grow up defending it as a great finale, lol. 🤷🏻‍♂️ 

 

Yavar

I grew up with these:

 

 

back then I preferred the SE's, as they felt "warmer" for some reason.

 

These days I prefer the OUT, with a few exceptions (restored music in EMPIRE)

[Jurassic Shark 12,080]

3 hours ago, Edmilson said:

spent a whole weekend creating numerous accounts at Rotten Tomatoes to give a high score to Indy 5 

 

No need, it's just a very good film. 

[Edmilson 7,466]

Over 10 thousand people agree with you 

[Groovygoth666 670]

If Beau Willimons writing is anywhere close to what appeared in Andor then that gives me hope this could actually be good. 

 

A part of me feels that the protagonist will be a white brunette female with a British accent. (Not saying this is bad or good but just an observation of characters that have appeared in Lucasfilm productions). 

 

 

Annoyingly I can't find the vhs releases that I grew up with, but they were pre special edition.

 

I'll never forget the excitement my dad had at watching the special edition release of ANH in the cinema, being so excited that he got a parking ticket because we were in a hurry to get to the cinema. And I missed TESB but can remember my mum took me and the son of her work friend to go watch ROTJ. 

 

 

For DOD it certainly is interesting to have such a high audience score while losing a whole lotta money but also having no fanfare about views on Disney Plus, almost as if the scores given on sites like rotten tomatoes are pretty much worthless. 

 

[Naïve Old Fart 9,547]

5 hours ago, Faleel said:

 Koepp?

 

You keep his name outta your f***ing mouth!

 

 

 (in case you thought that I was insulting you)

[mrbellamy 6,287]

16 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said:

Easily the worst Star Wars film of the Disney era, but I’d rather watch it a second time than any of the prequels.

 

I got to see Episode III again in a theater last year and went in fully jazzed and ready to give it 10/10 as a fan experience, and I'm gonna be honest, Lucas's direction did kinda make me miss JJ Abrams after awhile.

 

I still think it's a better conclusion to its own trilogy than Rise of Skywalker, and even has more satisfying fan service as a farewell to the saga, in its way. But my memory of that movie was that it's pretty much a roller-coaster between its big moments and oof, all that stuff between Order 66 and the showdown on Mustafar, especially, I just wasn't feeling the urgency at all. I think of those 20-30 minutes as a crucial failure of that movie now, the circumstances of the story are so desperate and yet the movie feels weirdly meh about it because of how stiff it is. 

[DarthDementous 1,059]

7 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said:

Primarily, yes, I’m pretty sure. But I think there were several credited writers, which is probably why it felt such a mixed bag and “by committee”.

it was Koepp who I assume did previous drafts that was then re-written by Mangold's usual writing collaborators: Jez and John Butterworth
 

6 hours ago, Groovygoth666 said:

A part of me feels that the protagonist will be a white brunette female with a British accent. (Not saying this is bad or good but just an observation of characters that have appeared in Lucasfilm productions). 

 

that has happened in two Star Wars series out of...how many are we up to now? 10? 20?

[Bellosh 3,419]

16 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said:

Primarily, yes, I’m pretty sure. But I think there were several credited writers, which is probably why it felt such a mixed bag and “by committee”.

 

Yeah I’m sure he offered some input but writing was not primarily his responsibility. He got a credit on Logan too, but I’m sure that script was good primarily because of Scott Frank, let’s be real here.

 

Clearly.

 

Easily the worst Star Wars film of the Disney era, but I’d rather watch it a second time than any of the prequels.

 

Yavar

 

nothing from Disney excites me anymore, let me wallow in my jadedness

[bored 309]

Nothing Star Wars can excite me knowing that there will never be another Knights of the Old Republic 2. No Disney Star Wars property will ever touch the darkness, nuance, horror, depth and originality that that game provided, and certainly not from the director of Indiana Jones 5: Depression of the Lost Youth. At best it can only... echo it, if you will.