Bellosh 3,419 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 wait that 'spyders' cue never made it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,841 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Bellosh said: wait that 'spyders' cue never made it. yeah, and who knows what else. Maybe whole new themes didn't make it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 894 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 53 minutes ago, filmmusic said: yeah, and who knows what else. Maybe whole new themes didn't make it.. There’s precedent for that, no? Clark’s Personal Theme? Maybe the Fedora Guy or Cross of Coronado motifs from TLC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,841 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, igger6 said: There’s precedent for that, no? Clark’s Personal Theme? Maybe the Fedora Guy or Cross of Coronado motifs from TLC? IIRC, one theme from A.I. hadn't made it to the ost. I'm not sure about others, because once expanded editions get released, I never return to the osts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,515 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 My standouts so far are: Prologue Helena's Theme To Morocco Auction at Hotel Tuk Tuk Chase Water Ballet Battle of Syracuse Helena's Theme (ASM version) I like it but...I wish it were a bit more upbeat! Now I'm curious to see what other music to this film there is left to discover... (I noticed that none of the music from the officially released clips appears in the album, with the exception of the winds at 4:05 of The Grafikos which appear at the very end of the Archimedes tomb clip) BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted June 27, 2023 Author Share Posted June 27, 2023 13 minutes ago, igger6 said: Maybe the Fedora Guy or Cross of Coronado motifs from TLC? Those are on the OST. 8 minutes ago, filmmusic said: IIRC, one theme from A.I. hadn't made it to the ost. If you're thinking of the blue fairy theme, that's on the OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,841 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, Jay said: If you're thinking of the blue fairy theme, that's on the OST. No, I was thinking of another theme. I am not sure who named it (or if it was me)*, but it was the "memory of a child" theme. edit: Ah, yes! I have written it in a footnote in my dissertation too, that it wasn't included in the ost. * Oh, it was named here: https://jwfan.com/?p=3196 ChrisAfonso and Jay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 894 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 13 minutes ago, filmmusic said: IIRC, one theme from A.I. hadn't made it to the ost. I'm not sure about others, because once expanded editions get released, I never return to the osts! Is it maybe David’s personal theme? Williams OSTs are so impersonal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,841 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Just now, igger6 said: Is it maybe David’s personal theme? Williams OSTs are so impersonal! Look one post above. igger6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tydirium 1,167 Posted June 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2023 36 minutes ago, igger6 said: There’s precedent for that, no? Clark’s Personal Theme? Maybe the Fedora Guy or Cross of Coronado motifs from TLC? Qui-Gon’s theme from TPM is one, I think. Pieter Boelen, BrotherSound, Trope and 4 others 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Peter Pettigrew from PoA? igger6 and Trope 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bellosh 3,419 Posted June 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2023 To Morocco and To Athens are my favorite cues so far. Germany, 1944 is up there as well. And while some people might not dig it due to so many rehashed themes, I think we gotta blame de-aging for that. It's clear the prologue in this movie is just one gigantic love fest to the older movies. At least he chose On The Tank and not belly of the steel beast! But I'm loving this score! Actually I think To Athens is behind Raiders map sequence to Cairo specifically and Temple of Doom's map sequence for me. So that's pretty cool Gabriel Bezerra, Tydirium, BrotherSound and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Really loving 3:47-4:07 of The Grafikos! Sounds like music for some kind of moment where the magic begins to work, or the machine whirs to life. Loert 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post filmmusic 1,841 Posted June 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2023 The album is up on spotify! Bellosh, Loert, thx99 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Darth Mulder 154 Posted June 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2023 After midnight, Williams personally adds his new score to all platforms. I can picture it very vividly. Ramoninoff, Brando, Edmilson and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,419 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 I think I like this score more than KOTCS simply because Helena's theme is just so good. And ultimately ost or complete (in regards to KOTCS), there isn't single stand out amazing theme that I look forward to hearing. They're all just really good. Having an Indy score with an incredible secondary theme really makes all the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pieter Boelen 740 Posted June 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2023 I've recently been developing more of an appreciation for the Call of the Crystal B-theme. To me it sounds like the longing of the aliens to finally go home after all those centuries. Gabriel Bezerra, Bellosh and Bryant Burnette 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,419 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Yeah don't get me wrong I think they're all great themes. But besides a statement in the jungle chase of Irina's theme, I never feel like they get their own flair. Even mutts theme. Ya know? Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, Bellosh said: Yeah don't get me wrong I think they're all great themes. But besides a statement in the jungle chase of Irina's theme, I never feel like they get their own flair. Even mutts theme. Ya know? I do know. Most of the theme appearances are close to their suite counterparts. The antagonist themes don't make much of an impact. And Mutt's theme is too flimsy and happy-go-lucky. KotCS lacks something with the inspired gravitas of the Grail Theme. Bellosh and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,841 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Pieter Boelen said: KotCS lacks something with the inspired gravitas of the Grail Theme. But I LOVE the concert version of Irina's theme, for which there is no official recording! Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Damien F 1,742 Posted June 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2023 I think Helena's Theme >>> Mutt's Theme. Darth Mulder, Tydirium, Bryant Burnette and 1 other 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,841 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Just now, Damien F said: I think Helena's Theme >>> Mutt's Theme. Surely. But for me: Irina's theme>>>>>>>>>>>>> Helena's theme Schilkeman and Benhip 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 1 minute ago, filmmusic said: But I LOVE the concert version of Irina's theme, for which there is no official recording! OK, now I'm confused! Is that not track 4 of the KOTCS OST? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,841 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Just now, Damien F said: OK, now I'm confused! Is that not track 4 of the KOTCS OST? Nope. It's the one in the Hal Leonard edition. It has been played in a couple of concerts only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, filmmusic said: Nope. It's the one in the Hal Leonard edition. It has been played in a couple of concerts only. Ah OK. But I presume track 4 is one concert version and the Hal Leonard is another one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,841 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Just now, Damien F said: Ah OK. But I presume track 4 is one concert version and the Hal Leonard is another one? Well, I guess so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oierem 152 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Damien F said: Ah OK. But I presume track 4 is one concert version and the Hal Leonard is another one? Track 4 is a mix of three different cues, IIRC. The opening comes from Irina's first appearance, the middle portion is part of the end credits, and the ending is an unused version of "The Russians Reappear". Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Damien F 1,742 Posted June 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2023 Just now, oierem said: Track 4 is a mix of three different cues, IIRC. The opening comes from Irina's first appearance, the middle portion is part of the end credits, and the ending is an unused version of "The Russians Reappear". Well I learned something new about a 15 year old score! oierem, ThePenitentMan1 and Trope 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pawel P. 738 Posted June 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2023 It's very late, so I'm going to sleep, but after one listen I'm just blown away with this score. There is so much going on here, so much to discover. For now, I'm not worried about what's not on the album (there are a lot significant omissions). I'm just happy about how much brilliant stuff is here. I love this score! Cerebral Cortex, Tydirium, Bellosh and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 13 minutes ago, Damien F said: I think Helena's Theme >>> Mutt's Theme. I don't like 》》》posts usually. But yours gave me a boner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Damien F 1,742 Posted June 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2023 Just now, Bespin said: I don't like 》》》posts usually. But your's gave me a boner. That was not my intention! mstrox, Martinland, Bespin and 1 other 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 8 minutes ago, Damien F said: Ah OK. But I presume track 4 is one concert version and the Hal Leonard is another one? It's an edit. Not a real written concert suite. Damien F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, Damien F said: That was not my intention! I apologize for my behavior; I can't always control myself. As I listened to "New York, 1969," I'm certain that I momentarily ceased breathing. Consequently, tears welled up, and I wept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,373 Posted June 27, 2023 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2023 On 03/09/2022 at 9:06 AM, Jay said: The track labeled "Irina's Theme" on the OST album is just bits of three film cues edited together. 0:00-0:41 = 1m4NR Irina Spalko 0:41-2:00 = 7m56 End Credit 2:00-end = 3m28 Russians Reappear He wrote an actual concert arrangement of her theme, but it wasn't recorded at the recording sessions. It debuted in live concerts. On 03/09/2022 at 7:10 AM, Jay said: It debuted in concert the same summer the film opened Gabriel Bezerra, Pieter Boelen and Damien F 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 6 hours ago, Alex said: Has JW ever created so many variations on one theme in a score before? I don´t think even Rey´s Theme was showcased this much. I'm really struck by how much Helena's theme dominates the OST compared to Indy's theme especially in the action music. Gabriel Bezerra and Tydirium 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Jay said: On 03/09/2022 at 5:06 PM, Jay said: The track labeled "Irina's Theme" on the OST album is just bits of three film cues edited together. 0:00-0:41 = 1m4NR Irina Spalko 0:41-2:00 = 7m56 End Credit 2:00-end = 3m28 Russians Reappear He wrote an actual concert arrangement of her theme, but it wasn't recorded at the recording sessions. It debuted in live concerts. If I knew this in the past, I had totally forgotten it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted June 27, 2023 Author Share Posted June 27, 2023 The actual concert arrangement is so good! That and the new version of Marion's Theme are total gems that should have been recorded for the KOCS OST, or at least something shortly after like a Volume 3 Spielberg album that could have happened then (and the recent one could have been a volume 4) Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Damien F 1,742 Posted June 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2023 I'm a little scared of watching the film tomorrow morning and noticing all the unreleased holy grails. Martinland, BrotherSound, Trope and 5 others 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Taikomochi 1,136 Posted June 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2023 Listening to “To Athens” the first time got me like Jilal, Martinland, michael_grig and 6 others 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,419 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 it's so good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,291 Posted June 28, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 28, 2023 Even though I was enjoying the whole soundtrack top to bottom, before I got to Battle of Syracuse I was thinking my first impressions post might just be "TO ATHENS TO ATHENS TO ATHENS TO ATHENS TO ATHENS TO ATHENS TO ATHENS TO ATHENS TO ATHENS" It really does jump out as an instant classic Indy track, it's basically perfect. I've listened to him performing Helena's Theme for months and it is crazy how much this version exponentially clarifies the theme. Cerebral Cortex, Pieter Boelen, Jay and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Damien F said: I'm really struck by how much Helena's theme dominates the OST compared to Indy's theme especially in the action music. Agreed. It's really all over the place. I do miss the March... TolkienSS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtney Sees Ghosts 269 Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 3 hours ago, igger6 said: There’s precedent for that, no? Clark’s Personal Theme? Maybe the Fedora Guy or Cross of Coronado motifs from TLC? The Knights of Ren leitmotif. STILL MAD!!!!! Pieter Boelen and igger6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Trope 527 Posted June 28, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 28, 2023 This score is a reminder (as if we needed any) that JW's sophistication in melody, harmony and orchestration are literally unparalleled in film music today. Listening to this is pure magic. How lucky we are to have yet MORE music from the master. Dr. Know, Falstaft, Martinland and 8 others 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Schilkeman 964 Posted June 28, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Bespin said: I don't like 》》》posts usually. But yours gave me a boner. Anything>>>hearing about your boner Courtney Sees Ghosts, Taikomochi, Jay and 7 others 3 1 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,473 Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 Listening to the album for a third time and I realized that the theme similar to the Spiders themes from Chamber of Secrets that is introduced in Voller Returns also makes an appearance at the end of Archimedes' Tomb. I wonder what this theme represents, if anything at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 3 hours ago, Pieter Boelen said: I do know. Most of the theme appearances are close to their suite counterparts. The antagonist themes don't make much of an impact. And Mutt's theme is too flimsy and happy-go-lucky. KotCS lacks something with the inspired gravitas of the Grail Theme. Well since as has been mentioned, Irina's taken straight from the credits, that doesn't really count now does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TolkienSS 407 Posted June 28, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 28, 2023 The score is in parts better than I expected, in parts as I expected, and in parts dissapointing; but the album assembly is borderline intolerable. Subtracting TWO arrangements of Helena's theme and two minutes lackluster Raiders March at the end, the score is presented with barely 57 minutes. Then you get carbon copies of Tintin and Last Crusade (?), and you are at 55 minutes of score. This isn't the Fablemans, and it's not 1989 anymore, give this last JW score a proper f'n soundtrack! Martinland, enderdrag64, Edmilson and 4 others 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 7 hours ago, Darth Mulder said: In each track you can briefly hear something that Williams composed years before That's kind of true, and more obvious than any other score he's done. But there's enough fresh material to offset this. And we haven't heard the unreleased music, maybe lifts from previous scores are less present. And for the Last Crusade/RotlA lifts in Germany,1944, I liken it to something like the revised Sail Barge Assault in RotJ 9 minutes ago, TolkienSS said: The score is in parts better than I expected, in parts as I expected, and in parts dissapointing; but the album assembly is borderline intolerable. Subtracting TWO arrangements of Helena's theme and two minutes lackluster Raiders March at the end, the score is presented with barely 57 minutes. Then you get carbon copies of Tintin and Last Crusade (?), and you are at 55 minutes of score. This isn't the Fablemans, and it's not 1989 anymore, give this last JW score a proper f'n soundtrack! Yeah the OST feels like an "appetizer" and most of the tracks a small excerpt from much longer sequences of music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 46 minutes ago, Edmilson said: Listening to the album for a third time and I realized that the theme similar to the Spiders themes from Chamber of Secrets that is introduced in Voller Returns also makes an appearance at the end of Archimedes' Tomb. I wonder what this theme represents, if anything at all. Thinking back to the movie. It might be the Voller theme. And I think it is modelled on Saccharine's theme from Tintin - one repeating phrase gaining in intensity. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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