Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Disney Records Original Soundtrack Album) - NO FILM SPOILERS!

[Amer 2,110]

At least we can SEE the track list at the back.

[Jay 37,371]

33 minutes ago, Amer said:

At least we can the track list at the back.

 

What?

[King Mark 3,631]

The wait for the Expansion has begun

[JWilliamsFan1999 47]

Hey guys it's Rafie. Sorry I haven't been on the forum lately, I have been super busy these last few days, it's great to be back. I have a question about the Disney Music Emporium site. And my question is: Have you guys ordered from there before? If Yes, do they ship your order and mail it to you? Because I'm nervous to order something from there. I will really appreciate this question.

 

By the way, my birthday is this Friday, July 28th and I will be turning 24 years old.

[Amer 2,110]

16 minutes ago, JWilliamsFan1999 said:

Hey guys it's Rafie. Sorry I haven't been on the forum lately, I have been super busy these last few days, it's great to be back. I have a question about the Disney Music Emporium site. And my question is: Have you guys ordered from there before? If Yes, do they ship your order and mail it to you? Because I'm nervous to order something from there. I will really appreciate this question.

 

By the way, my birthday is this Friday, July 28th and I will be turning 24 years old.

 

Yes. I've ordered before. I had to get ALADDIN 2CD set before it went out just like INDY V has now. So the packaging isnt the best but your will get your stuff.

 

 

[Jay 37,371]

6 hours ago, JWilliamsFan1999 said:

I have a question about the Disney Music Emporium site. And my question is: Have you guys ordered from there before? If Yes, do they ship your order and mail it to you?

 

The alternative to this is that they.... take people's money and never ship out anything to anyone ever?  Maybe I am misunderstanding your question...

[Jurassic Shark 12,080]

He's probably asking whether Disney is a scam, which it to a large degree is.

[ajc384 144]

47 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

He's probably asking whether Disney is a scam, which it to a large degree is.

 

Too right!

 

Release the score to one of cinema's most beloved and enduring franchises - composed by the acknowledged Master of the past half-century in what might be one of his final projects - but sell it only from a US-based site which doesn't allow anyone from outside the US to create an account, then limit the quantity of CDs printed - but cunningly neglect to inform anyone of this fact until after they're sold out - so anyone waiting to acquire the CD via other channels (as has been the norm for most releases of this stature) is now unable to get a copy.

 

Brilliant, Disney; just brilliant!

[Jay 37,371]

3 minutes ago, ajc384 said:

Release the score to one of cinema's most beloved and enduring franchises - composed by the acknowledged Master of the past half-century in what might be one of his final projects - but sell it only from a US-based site which doesn't allow anyone from outside the US to create an account, then limit the quantity of CDs printed - but cunningly neglect to inform anyone of this fact until after they're sold out - so anyone waiting to acquire the CD via other channels (as has been the norm for most releases of this stature) is now unable to get a copy.

 

Again they released the score (really: the album) globally on very easily accessible platforms, the ones that the majority of humans on earth use to listen to music.  These complaints are ONLY about the CD edition, NOT their release of the music in general.

 

[ajc384 144]

2 hours ago, Jay said:

 

Again they released the score (really: the album) globally on very easily accessible platforms, the ones that the majority of humans on earth use to listen to music.  These complaints are ONLY about the CD edition, NOT their release of the music in general.

 

 

Yeah; fair enough.  You're correct, but I've been in the mood for a rant since finding the CD unavailable.  

Am not the biggest fan of streaming services as music/films/TV can be removed/altered/edited at a whim so I always prefer to have a physical product in my hands.

[Tydirium 1,167]

10 minutes ago, ajc384 said:

 

Am not the biggest fan of streaming services as music/films/TV can be removed/altered/edited at a whim so I always prefer to have a physical product in my hands.

 

But you don’t have to stream it. You can buy an album on Qobuz or 7digital like many users here do, and save the files to your computer or an external hard drive so you never have to worry if the site ever changes or removes it.

 

I do understand the desire to have a physical product, though, such as when it comes to liner notes or just having something to put on the shelf alongside other CDs you already own. But if the streaming thing is your main concern, I just wanted to make sure you’re aware that in this day and age, with DRM-free music purchases available, you don’t really need to worry about losing access to your music. Once you download it, it’s not like they can take it from you.

[Jay 37,371]

We SHOULD be ranting about the availability of the CD edition, it was mishandled and even if the messaging was clear up front, the number they limited the release to was clearly still way too small!

 

I just don't want to conflate their CD edition issues with their rollout of the album in general

[Marian Schedenig 8,207]

5 hours ago, Jay said:

The alternative to this is that they.... take people's money and never ship out anything to anyone ever?  Maybe I am misunderstanding your question...

 

They wouldn't be the first, although the Mouse probably wouldn't tolerate such a blatant ripoff by something bearing its name.

 

They do however charge taxes on top of shipping costs when placing the order, but declare the package in such a way that I have to pay Austrian/EU import taxes (plus corresponding handling fees) all over again.

[Miguel Andrade 1,263]

1 hour ago, Marian Schedenig said:

 

They wouldn't be the first, although the Mouse probably wouldn't tolerate such a blatant ripoff by something bearing its name.

 

They do however charge taxes on top of shipping costs when placing the order, but declare the package in such a way that I have to pay Austrian/EU import taxes (plus corresponding handling fees) all over again.

 

If that happens with my order to Portugal I'll be most surely requesting a tax refund. In my book that is called stealing.

 

As for the album bring widely available... What about the folks who don't stream or buy digital music? Certainly someone in there should know the target demographics... People over 50 and film music fans are still very much tied to phisical media. At least I am.

[Andy 4,141]

And given that both John Williams and Indiana Jones skew to an older demographic, this is likely a score where many who would want it do not stream or download.  It’s not just us rabid junkies. 

[Jay 37,371]

1 hour ago, Miguel Andrade said:

As for the album bring widely available... What about the folks who don't stream or buy digital music? Certainly someone in there should know the target demographics... People over 50 and film music fans are still very much tied to phisical media. At least I am.

 

In terms of physical media in general, they've had the album for pre-order since June 15th as a 2-LP set, and that option is STILL available now. 

 

It's ONLY the physical CD edition that they drastically underestimated the demand for.

 

And yes, any one should be able to look at how many physical CD copies a label like Deutsche Grammophon makes for film score titles and used that as a guide, but I doubt anyone at Disney Records did any kind of analysis like that.  And in the big picture of the entire year of 2023 of Disney Records profits, whether Indy 5 on physical CD was limited to 500 copies or 5,000 copies, their profit line would probably be the same.  They make way, way, way more money selling digital music and physical vinyl than they do selling physical CDs.

[Marian Schedenig 8,207]

2 hours ago, Miguel Andrade said:

If that happens with my order to Portugal I'll be most surely requesting a tax refund. In my book that is called stealing.

 

The thing is, I'm not really sure what "tax" refers to. For two Hunchbacks and two Aladdins, I ended up paying $93.96 for the CDs, $19.27 for shipping, and $22.65 for "tax". What specific tax that is is not listed on the order summary page I can access now - and that's all the data I have for my order (because as an Austrian, I cannot create an account at Disney Music Emporium and therefore don't have a login). I assumed when I placed the order that this would cover the international customs fees and handling - like Amazon does, and like I *think* Discogs did for my recent order there (still in the mail). Why I assumed that I couldn't say now - either because some additional text on the order page suggested it, or perhaps just because I've never before had to pay VAT for an international order on a US website.

 

The store help does have this bit, which suggests that they either don't handle customs taxes or at least don't guarantee to fully do so:

Quote

 

What about duties, customs, and additional fees?
Please be aware that all orders shipping outside of the United States, no matter which shipping option is used, may be subject to additional duties, import taxes, or brokerage or customs fees upon delivery. These fees are calculated by your local government customs officials and we cannot estimate them prior to shipment. While we take steps to minimize or eliminate the cost of importing for our customers, we are required by law to provide accurate information to customs officials. Marking an order as a 'Gift' will not prevent fees from being charged.

Delays in customs are becoming increasingly common. Final delivery may take longer to some international destinations due to border restrictions and potential holds at customs. Unfortunately, we cannot control or prevent this type of delay. Please be sure to include a local telephone number and email where you can be reached when placing your order. We recommend checking with your local customs authorities in advance of ordering to determine your country's specific import requirements.

 

 

That said, at the very least they're costing me money by (without warning) splitting the order into two separate shipments for Hunchback (which was in stock) and Aladdin (which was backordered), because I'll now have to pay the flat handling fee again for the second package.

[Miguel Andrade 1,263]

1 hour ago, Marian Schedenig said:

 

The thing is, I'm not really sure what "tax" refers to. For two Hunchbacks and two Aladdins, I ended up paying $93.96 for the CDs, $19.27 for shipping, and $22.65 for "tax". What specific tax that is is not listed on the order summary page I can access now - and that's all the data I have for my order (because as an Austrian, I cannot create an account at Disney Music Emporium and therefore don't have a login). I assumed when I placed the order that this would cover the international customs fees and handling - like Amazon does, and like I *think* Discogs did for my recent order there (still in the mail). Why I assumed that I couldn't say now - either because some additional text on the order page suggested it, or perhaps just because I've never before had to pay VAT for an international order on a US website.

 

The store help does have this bit, which suggests that they either don't handle customs taxes or at least don't guarantee to fully do so:

 

That said, at the very least they're costing me money by (without warning) splitting the order into two separate shipments for Hunchback (which was in stock) and Aladdin (which was backordered), because I'll now have to pay the flat handling fee again for the second package.

 

Yes, I can confirm that Discogs takes care of the import taxes for us. 

As for Disney, it makes little sense to pay taxes twice... But I guess that the Mouse needs its profit at any cost...

[BB-8 3,481]

On 24/07/2023 at 4:15 PM, Amer said:

Got a response from Disney on the complaint...

 

What do you make of it?

 

'The website is an accurate reflection of available items."

 

 

[rough cut 1,714]

Even though it is annoying it is sold out, it is unlikely that this is a limited “one time” print. More copies will be pressed in the future, I’m sure of it.

[Bespin 8,484]

I know CDs won't be here eternally, but currently, some of us—music specialists, collectors, enthusiasts, or even fanatics—are helping to finance the digital restoration of historical scores through our CD purchases. Personally, I've started a physical CD collection of various composers, most of whom are still alive, as the majority of their catalog is only available on CDs. However, there's a problem with some composers, particularly those who have recorded scores for Disney movies, as their music isn't always available on CDs, which is unfortunate.

 

Because of this issue, I'm hesitant to start a CD collection for younger composers because I anticipate that they may not release their music on CDs in the future. It's disheartening to think about starting a collection that I won't be able to complete. On the brighter side, composers like Danny Elfman, Thomas Newman, Alan Silvestri, James Newton Howard, Howard Shore, and, of course, John Williams, have continued to release their music on CDs, which I greatly appreciate. It shows respect for fans like me who value collecting CDs.

 

I hope that these composers will reconsider their collaboration with Disney, given that their music may not be properly distributed. It would be beneficial for both the composers and their fans if their work could be made available through CDs.

 

Let's hope for a positive change in the near future that may lead to a more significant role for specialty labels...

[BB-8 3,481]

44 minutes ago, Bespin said:

I know CDs won't be here eternally, but currently, some of us—music specialists, collectors, enthusiasts, or even fanatics—are helping to finance the digital restoration of historical scores through our CD purchases. Personally, I've started a physical CD collection of various composers, most of whom are still alive, as the majority of their catalog is only available on CDs. However, there's a problem with some composers, particularly those who have recorded scores for Disney movies, as their music isn't always available on CDs, which is unfortunate.

 

Because of this issue, I'm hesitant to start a CD collection for younger composers because I anticipate that they may not release their music on CDs in the future. It's disheartening to think about starting a collection that I won't be able to complete. On the brighter side, composers like Danny Elfman, Thomas Newman, Alan Silvestri, James Newton Howard, Howard Shore, and, of course, John Williams, have continued to release their music on CDs, which I greatly appreciate. It shows respect for fans like me who value collecting CDs.

 

I hope that these composers will reconsider their collaboration with Disney, given that their music may not be properly distributed. It would be beneficial for both the composers and their fans if their work could be made available through CDs.

 

Let's hope for a positive change in the near future that may lead to a more significant role for specialty labels...

 

I very much agree.

 

I think the best kind of future would be hybrid with physical and digital releases not being mutually exclusive. 

When assessing the current situation I'm actually quite satisfied (except for this cryptically limited CD release of DoD) because all the major JW scores and recordings of his concerts have been released both digitally and physically.

 

However, the current hybrid situation is very likely seen as a transitional phase by the industry, and their goal could be to phase the CD out for good, with colourful (picture) vinyls remaining as a nostalgic fetish for the playful millennials who otherwise save everything in (and rely exclusively on)...the cloud.

 

What if this cloud turns out to be a bubble that implodes one day or is taken over by the bad guys?

 

So I do hope that the current hybrid situation will be sustained over the next decades to please the full range of different listeners and collectors.

 

I mean we are all individuals, aren't we?

[Andy 4,141]

I just want the Compact Disc to survive long enough for the Mike Matessinos to complete their work, not just Star Wars/Indiana Jones, and not just Williams’ scores. 
 

We’ve enjoyed a good thing with our lovely labels. I’d hate to see it discontinued or switch to entirely digital. 

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

I think i wrote this already…

 

i ordered from disney emporium tospain, UE, some months ago, hunchback and aladdin. I paid taxes in the us and it arrived directly to my house. When i have had to pay custom fees the mailman tells me so when he is dlivering the package or i receive an email prior.

 

Disney emporium shipping costs is charged for each item in you basket. You buy one cd, you pay X dollars. If you buy two cds you pay twice the same ammount, so bundle orders do not make benefits. 
 

marian i think you wont pay more shipping fees then.

 

What happened to me, tough with a second hand book seller, They sent two books sepparately and i had to pay customs twice. The regular custom fee for any package plus the Vat, for the two packages. That was bad 😔

[Sandor 797]

I just ordered the vinyl edition of the soundtrack. I'll keep it sealed. If anyone ever wants to trade it for the CD version, just let me know... 

[Chewy 2,392]

7 hours ago, Bespin said:

I know CDs won't be here eternally, but currently, some of us—music specialists, collectors, enthusiasts, or even fanatics—are helping to finance the digital restoration of historical scores through our CD purchases. Personally, I've started a physical CD collection of various composers, most of whom are still alive, as the majority of their catalog is only available on CDs. However, there's a problem with some composers, particularly those who have recorded scores for Disney movies, as their music isn't always available on CDs, which is unfortunate.

 

Because of this issue, I'm hesitant to start a CD collection for younger composers because I anticipate that they may not release their music on CDs in the future. It's disheartening to think about starting a collection that I won't be able to complete. On the brighter side, composers like Danny Elfman, Thomas Newman, Alan Silvestri, James Newton Howard, Howard Shore, and, of course, John Williams, have continued to release their music on CDs, which I greatly appreciate. It shows respect for fans like me who value collecting CDs.

 

I hope that these composers will reconsider their collaboration with Disney, given that their music may not be properly distributed. It would be beneficial for both the composers and their fans if their work could be made available through CDs.

 

Let's hope for a positive change in the near future that may lead to a more significant role for specialty labels...

 

Agreed, but did you use AI again for this?  

[Bespin 8,484]

Only to correct the errors. It makes me learn and it's better for you.

[BB-8 3,481]

I've just asked Dr Know...

https://chat.chatgptdemo.net/

 

Why is the CD with the soundtrack to Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny already sold out at Disney Emporium?

 

And where can I buy the unreleased yet already sold out CD with the soundtrack to Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny?

 

Why is the CD with the soundtrack to Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny already sold out at Disney Emporium?

7/27/2023, 10:20:52 PM

 

The CD with the soundtrack to Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny may be sold out at Disney Emporium due to high demand. The Indiana Jones franchise has a large fan base, and many people may have been eager to purchase the soundtrack. Additionally, limited stock may have contributed to the CD selling out quickly. It's possible that Disney Emporium underestimated the popularity of the soundtrack or had a limited supply available.

Unfortunately, as an AI, I don't have real-time information on specific product availability. However, you can try the following options to find the unreleased yet sold out CD with the soundtrack to Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny:

1. Online Marketplaces: Check popular online marketplaces like eBay, Amazon, or Discogs. These platforms often have sellers offering rare and hard-to-find items, including unreleased CDs.

2. Specialty Music Stores: Explore local or online specialty music stores that specialize in rare or hard-to-find music releases. These stores may have connections or access to limited edition or unreleased CDs.

3. Fan Communities and Forums: Join online communities, forums, or social media groups dedicated to Indiana Jones or film soundtracks. Fellow enthusiasts may know about exclusive releases or have insider information on where to find them.

4. Auctions and Collectibles Websites: Keep an eye on websites that specialize in auctions or collectibles, such as Heritage Auctions or Prop Store. Occasionally, rare and exclusive items like unreleased soundtracks may appear for sale.

Remember that finding an unreleased CD can be quite challenging, and it may require patience, persistence, and some luck.

[Richard Penna 3,694]

8 hours ago, Bespin said:

I hope that these composers will reconsider their collaboration with Disney, given that their music may not be properly distributed. It would be beneficial for both the composers and their fans if their work could be made available through CDs.

 

No one's going to stop composing for Disney just because they won't get a CD release. If there's any faction which recognises the reality and business side, it's the composers.

 

And I'd argue that fighting to get their work on a CD would actually harm their chances of a release - the risk and financial outlay of pressing them and most scores don't have the mass appeal that an Indiana Jones score does.

 

7 hours ago, Andy said:

We’ve enjoyed a good thing with our lovely labels. I’d hate to see it discontinued or switch to entirely digital. 

 

I reckon it's more the labels keeping CDs alive than mainstream current soundtrack releases, and for good reason. An expansion of an older score with a fllowing is surely going to be way easier to shift units than a CD of a current score which half of this forum would considerable unlistenable anyway.

[Marian Schedenig 8,207]

8 hours ago, Luke Skywalker said:

i ordered from disney emporium tospain, UE, some months ago, hunchback and aladdin. I paid taxes in the us and it arrived directly to my house. When i have had to pay custom fees the mailman tells me so when he is dlivering the package or i receive an email prior.

 

Disney emporium shipping costs is charged for each item in you basket. You buy one cd, you pay X dollars. If you buy two cds you pay twice the same ammount, so bundle orders do not make benefits. 
 

marian i think you wont pay more shipping fees then.

 

What happened to me, tough with a second hand book seller, They sent two books sepparately and i had to pay customs twice. The regular custom fee for any package plus the Vat, for the two packages. That was bad 😔

 

Yes, that's exactly what seems to be happening to me. The shipping fee was paid with the original order, of course. So was a "tax", that seems to amount to pretty much 20% of the total amount of CD prices and shipping costs - i.e. very much looks like it's suppose to be the EU's VAT.

 

Yet it apparently wasn't declared as already taxed, hence customs again charged 20% VAT for the amount declared on the first package (and will probably do so again for the amount on the other package).

 

I.e. it looks very much like I've been charged the EU taxes by Disney, who then failed to declare the package as such, so I had to pay them again to the customs office. And while it doesn't matter for the VAT amount whether the order is shipped in one package or ten packages (20% of the total sum will be the same either way), each individual package means extra handling fees for me.

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

Damn. Lets see what happens here then.

 

So did anyone overseas received their indy cd yet? Mine seems to still be at the US since the 19th

[Jurassic Shark 12,080]

16 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said:

I.e. it looks very much like I've been charged the EU taxes by Disney, who then failed to declare the package as such, so I had to pay them again to the customs office. And while it doesn't matter for the VAT amount whether the order is shipped in one package or ten packages (20% of the total sum will be the same either way), each individual package means extra handling fees for me.

 

I hope your Indy CD doesn't get shipped in ten packages!

[fommes 153]

On 28/07/2023 at 2:07 AM, Marian Schedenig said:

 

Yes, that's exactly what seems to be happening to me. The shipping fee was paid with the original order, of course. So was a "tax", that seems to amount to pretty much 20% of the total amount of CD prices and shipping costs - i.e. very much looks like it's suppose to be the EU's VAT.

 

Yet it apparently wasn't declared as already taxed, hence customs again charged 20% VAT for the amount declared on the first package (and will probably do so again for the amount on the other package).

 

I.e. it looks very much like I've been charged the EU taxes by Disney, who then failed to declare the package as such, so I had to pay them again to the customs office. And while it doesn't matter for the VAT amount whether the order is shipped in one package or ten packages (20% of the total sum will be the same either way), each individual package means extra handling fees for me.

This is exactly what will undoubtedly happen to my packages as well, as my order was also split over two packages. I'm rather sure local customs will make me pay the already paid taxes again, and then I'll have to pay the handling twice now too.

[Miguel Andrade 1,263]

I'm sure I'll go through the same ordeal when the vinyl is shipped. Nevertheless, here in Portugal I can press a complain and ask for a refund of the already paid taxes.

[JWisgreatestlivingcomposer 43]

The Wikipedia page for this soundtrack

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Jones_and_the_Dial_of_Destiny_(soundtrack)

claims that the score was performed by the San Francisco Symphony Orchestra, a major classical symphonic ensemble.

Can anyone verify that this is true (beyond Wikipedia's claim)? Does any other documentation that it was this orchestra that performed and recorded the score exist?

(I don't seen it on the featurette that Lucasfilm made about John Williams and this score.)

[DangerMotif 1,038]

7 minutes ago, JWisgreatestlivingcomposer said:

The Wikipedia page for this soundtrack

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Jones_and_the_Dial_of_Destiny_(soundtrack)

claims that the score was performed by the San Francisco Symphony Orchestra, a major classical symphonic ensemble.

Can anyone verify that this is true (beyond Wikipedia's claim)? Does any other documentation that it was this orchestra that performed and recorded the score exist?

(I don't seen it on the featurette that Lucasfilm made about John Williams and this score.)

It’s false

[KittBash 282]

23 minutes ago, JWisgreatestlivingcomposer said:

The Wikipedia page for this soundtrack

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Jones_and_the_Dial_of_Destiny_(soundtrack)

claims that the score was performed by the San Francisco Symphony Orchestra, a major classical symphonic ensemble.

Can anyone verify that this is true (beyond Wikipedia's claim)? Does any other documentation that it was this orchestra that performed and recorded the score exist?

(I don't seen it on the featurette that Lucasfilm made about John Williams and this score.)

 

The CD liner notes lists the players and they are the usual suspects of LA contract players that Sandy DeCrescent brings in.

I've been working on a project to catalogue all of the players and map out who has played on each score and this has led me to digitize all of my copies of the my JW liner notes so here's the list from the Dial of Destiny notes

 

 

  

[JWisgreatestlivingcomposer 43]

39 minutes ago, DangerMotif said:

It’s false

 

18 minutes ago, KittBash said:

 

The CD liner notes lists the players and they are the usual suspects of LA contract players that Sandy DeCrescent brings in.

I've been working on a project to catalogue all of the players and map out who has played on each score and this has led me to digitize all of my copies of the my JW liner notes so here's the list from the Dial of Destiny notes

 

 

  

Wow, Wikipedia blatantly lies! It wouldn't be the first time...

 

Thank you for sharing that list of players!

 

I never did understand why some John Williams' scores were performed by the London Symphony Orchestra, while others just get these freelance Hollywood orchestras? It seems that the first six Star Wars scores (or maybe even the most recent three as well?) were all performed by the LSO, while the ONLY Indiana Jones score to get the LSO is Raiders. The remaining ones were all performed by Hollywood orchestras.

Is this correct?

And if it is, does anyone know why?

 

[Jay 37,371]

10 minutes ago, JWisgreatestlivingcomposer said:

 the ONLY Indiana Jones score to get the LSO is Raiders. The remaining ones were all performed by Hollywood orchestras.

Is this correct?

 

Yeah

 

10 minutes ago, JWisgreatestlivingcomposer said:

And if it is, does anyone know why?

 

Budget, primarily.

[ajc384 144]

9 minutes ago, Jay said:

Budget, primarily.

If they printed and sold more CDs, they'd have a bigger budget to work from next time.  Just saying...  

[Tom Guernsey 2,286]

27 minutes ago, JWisgreatestlivingcomposer said:

 

Wow, Wikipedia blatantly lies! It wouldn't be the first time...

 

Thank you for sharing that list of players!

 

I never did understand why some John Williams' scores were performed by the London Symphony Orchestra, while others just get these freelance Hollywood orchestras? It seems that the first six Star Wars scores (or maybe even the most recent three as well?) were all performed by the LSO, while the ONLY Indiana Jones score to get the LSO is Raiders. The remaining ones were all performed by Hollywood orchestras.

Is this correct?

And if it is, does anyone know why?

 

As well as the first six Star Wars movies and Raiders, Superman, Dracula, Monsignor and the album recording of The Fury were with the LSO. His Harry Potter scores were recorded in London but not officially the LSO (although I'm sure many of the players were drawn from the LSO, although worth noting that London has several orchestras that are equally fine as the LSO). I've probably missed one...

[JWisgreatestlivingcomposer 43]

52 minutes ago, Jay said:

 

Yeah

 

 

Budget, primarily.

It's a shame, as the Indiana Jones scores are, in my opinion, even better than Star Wars, and I think the LSO slightly outperforms the Hollywood orchestras.

Star Wars films: 2/3 (=6/9) get LSO; Indiana Jones: only 1/5 get LSO.

Not fair!

47 minutes ago, ajc384 said:

If they printed and sold more CDs, they'd have a bigger budget to work from next time.  Just saying...  

Agreed!

[michael_grig 472]

1 hour ago, KittBash said:

 

The CD liner notes lists the players and they are the usual suspects of LA contract players that Sandy DeCrescent brings in.

I've been working on a project to catalogue all of the players and map out who has played on each score and this has led me to digitize all of my copies of the my JW liner notes so here's the list from the Dial of Destiny notes

 

 

  

What does "booth" mean here?

[Bespin 8,484]

9 minutes ago, Michael G. said:

What does "booth" mean here?

 

[michael_grig 472]

Interesting, why didn't they just list the instrument they were playing in that booth? What instrument would they record in a special room?

[KittBash 282]

8 minutes ago, Michael G. said:

What does "booth" mean here?

 

Yeah it's not normally listed this way in the notes but in this case Its safe to say they held different jobs in the Recording Booth. 

 

For instance Zachariah Rose & Anna Kennedy are credited as "Assistant: William Ross" 

[Marian Schedenig 8,207]

8 minutes ago, Michael G. said:

Interesting, why didn't they just list the instrument they were playing in that booth? What instrument would they record in a special room?

 

I imagine the people listed operated recording equipment in the recording booth. Minions to Shawn Murphy, more or less. Though I wonder why they'd be listed with the instruments in that case.

1 hour ago, Tom Guernsey said:

His Harry Potter scores were recorded in London but not officially the LSO (although I'm sure many of the players were drawn from the LSO, although worth noting that London has several orchestras that are equally fine as the LSO).

 

Chamber of Secrets was officially performed by the LSO.

[Jay 37,371]

Booth is recording engineer people, not people playing instruments. 

[KittBash 282]

9 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said:

Though I wonder why they'd be listed with the instruments in that case.

 

I wonder if they might be members of the American Federation of Musicians and union rules may require them there? 

 

Also in some of the lists you even see things like for instance copyists are listed in the Spacecamp Re-release from 2022

[Alex 2,835]

Where was the saxophone used in the score?