Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Disney Records Original Soundtrack Album) - NO FILM SPOILERS!

[Mr. Hooper 1,793]

This thread brings back memories of hunting for soundtrack CDs back in the flower of my youth...at HMV, secondhand stores, or later on eBay.
 

Now I'm subscribed to Tidal, and for a monthly fee I can listen to but never own Dial of Destiny.

 

Hmm. 🤔

[LB Makes Stuff 240]

Forgot to add this onto my comment:

I need the sessions to leak so I can have more sad instances of A theme and B theme for moments like this.

[Datameister 2,044]

Glad the CD will be available for those who still want to buy it. I already bought a lossless download and won't double-dip. Sucks that things shook out this way; I would have preferred to buy it on CD from the start.

[BB-8 3,479]

22 hours ago, BB-8 said:

CD is back

This was a very near miss. I was out and about and my phone was running on 4% power. I just about managed to place an order and the above message before my phone shut down...

 

Why did I check the Disney Emporium?

 

A mixture of frustration and hope with a feeling that if someone at Disney Emporium deletes the CD from the banner it is likely to show up again because everything they have been doing so far seems to follow the principles of chaos.

[BB-8 3,479]

You might also like vinyl

             

 

CD out of stock                 CD back in stock

                currently unavailable

                 

 

 

                         

[Jurassic Shark 12,079]

You're a hero!

[BB-8 3,479]

Woke up to next CD availability window so am posting link again for anyone in Europe still in need:

https://www.disneymusicemporium.com/product/XVCD60/john-williams-indiana-jones-and-the-dial-of-destiny

[rough cut 1,714]

Since a big part of the movie takes place in 1969, wouldn't have been cool if the John Williams had cameo'd some of his earlier soundtracks from that decade? It could have given a kind of authentic sparkle to the time period the movie is set in and would have been a hoot for any JW fan to discover!

[Brando 1,864]

I was kinda hoping 'Oma Tres' would make a cameo appearance somewhere in the film.

[Marian Schedenig 8,200]

1 hour ago, rough cut said:

Since a big part of the movie takes place in 1969, wouldn't have been cool if the John Williams had cameo'd some of his earlier soundtracks from that decade? It could have given a kind of authentic sparkle to the time period the movie is set in and would have been a hoot for any JW fan to discover!

 

http://www.youtubemultiplier.com/64ec99073c962-fitzers-of-the-lost-willy.php

[Brónach 1,302]

1 hour ago, rough cut said:

Since a big part of the movie takes place in 1969, wouldn't have been cool if the John Williams had cameo'd some of his earlier soundtracks from that decade? It could have given a kind of authentic sparkle to the time period the movie is set in and would have been a hoot for any JW fan to discover!

 

rather than cameo, it's not a bad musical direction

[rough cut 1,714]

3 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said:

 

http://www.youtubemultiplier.com/64ec99073c962-fitzers-of-the-lost-willy.php

Yes! Exactly what I had in mind…. Hahaha! 

 

Obviously, if something like this had happened for real it wouldn’t have to be this prominent but it’s a fun idea to play with. 

 

Oh and would you look at that: my 3 000th post.

[Faleel 5,355]

I realized what some statements of Helenwa's theme reminded me of:

 

 

[Bellosh 3,419]

i hear it!

 

also my god is that cue fucking stunning. it makes me want to drop everything and listen to that score front to back.

[Jay 37,369]

Man, what a score.  It's a score where I just love every single note of every single track so much.  Not a moment of fluff anywhere, just incredible from top to bottom.  They don't make em like that any more

[Faleel 5,355]

There's also that theme that sounds like Luke Pursues the Captives.

[A. A. Ron 1,742]

5 hours ago, Jay said:

Man, what a score.  It's a score where I just love every single note of every single track so much.  Not a moment of fluff anywhere, just incredible from top to bottom.  They don't make em like that any more

 

Also its sister scores -- The Fury and Dracula.

[Cerebral Cortex 3,357]

On 28/08/2023 at 7:39 AM, Brando said:

I was kinda hoping 'Oma Tres' would make a cameo appearance somewhere in the film.

 

[BB-8 3,479]

5 hours ago, Jay said:

Man, what a score.  It's a score where I just love every single note of every single track so much.  Not a moment of fluff anywhere, just incredible from top to bottom.  They don't make em like that any more

You mean DoD?

[Jay 37,369]

Best I can do for an album breakdown currently:
 

01 Prologue To Indiana Jones And The Dial Of Destiny (6:00)

1. 0:00-1:08 (1:08) = not in film and could have been recorded just for the album
2. 1:08-end (4:52) = End Credits Part 3

02 Helena’s Theme (3:30)

1. 0:00-?:??    ?:??    Helena's Theme Rev 2
2. ?:??-end    ?:??    Helena's Theme Rev

03 Germany, 1944 (4:42)

1. 0:00-2:19    2:19    Indy Driver
2. 2:19-3:00    0:41    It's a Fake
3. 3:00-3:22    0:22    Indy Rescues Baz
4. 3:22-3:48    0:24    Combat Train-ing
5. 3:48-end    0:54    Jump

04 To Morocco (3:21)

1. 0:00-1:11    1:11    Departures
2. 1:11-end    2:10    It Must Be Destroyed

05 Voller Returns (3:06)

1. 0:00-1:17    1:17    The Archives
2. 1:17-2:36    1:19    Voller's Interview
3. 2:36-end    0:30    Nazis

06 Auction At Hotel L’Atlantique (2:58)

1. 0:00-0:19    0:19    Indy Recognizes Professor Schmidt
2. 0:19-1:37    1:18    Doing Helena's Bidding
3. 1:37-end    1:21    Rossini's Menu

07 Tuk Tuk In Tangiers (3:35)

1. 0:00-2:28    2:28    Streets of Morocco
2. 2:28-end    0:37    Helena in Action

08 To Athens (2:17)

1. 0:00-1:09    1:09    unidentified
2. 1:09-end    1:08    To Athens

09 Perils Of The Deep (2:31)

1. 0:00-0:35    0:35    unidentified
2. 0:35-1:35    1:00    Sunken Ship
3. 1:35-end    0:56    Indy's Regret

10 Water Ballet (4:53)

1. 0:00-0:56    0:56    Eels!
2. 0:56-end    3:57    Water Ballet

11 Polybius Cypher (2:39)

1. 0:00-0:38    0:38    Helena's Tutorial
2. 0:38-1:59    1:21    Polybius Cipher
3. 1:59-end    0:40    Escaping the Boat

12 The Grafikos (4:39)

1. 0:00-2:05    2:05    Melting Wax
2. 2:05-end    2:34    Centipedes

13 Archimedes’ Tomb (3:01)

• Archimedes' Tomb

14 The Airport (4:46)

1. 0:00-0:53    0:53    To the Airport
2. 0:53-end    3:53    Airport Nazis

15 Battle Of Syracuse (2:50)

• Ancient Syracuse

16 Centuries Join Hands (3:02)

• Centuries Join Hands

17 New York, 1969 (4:17)

1. 0:00-0:47    0:47    For Who...Whom? [pitch-shifted]
2. 0:47-2:19    1:32    Finale
3. 2:19-end    1:58    Raider's March

18 Helena’s Theme (For Violin And Orchestra) (4:59)

• not in film but probably recorded under this name

 

The chronological order is the same as had been figured out when the film was in theaters:

1. 03 Germany, 1944 (4:42)

2. 05 Voller Returns (3:06)

3. 04 To Morocco (3:21)
4. 06 Auction At Hotel L’Atlantique (2:58)
5. 07 Tuk Tuk In Tangiers (3:35)
6. 08 To Athens (2:17)
7. 09 Perils Of The Deep (2:31)
8. 10 Water Ballet (4:53)
9. 11 Polybius Cypher (2:39)
10. 12 The Grafikos (4:39)
11. 13 Archimedes’ Tomb (3:01)
12. 14 The Airport (4:46)
13. 15 Battle Of Syracuse (2:50)
14. 16 Centuries Join Hands (3:02
15. 17 New York, 1969 (4:17)

16. 02 Helena’s Theme (3:30)

17. 01 Prologue To Indiana Jones And The Dial Of Destiny (6:00)
    not in film

18. 18 Helena’s Theme (For Violin And Orchestra) (4:59)

 

There's technically some exceptions to this. 

 

1 - "Prologue To Indiana Jones And The Dial Of Destiny" - the first 1:08 is not end credits music, we don't know what it is.  It could be a film cue that went unused, or it could be something recorded specifically for the album.  One theory is that it is the original version of the scene where Helena follows Indy into the bar, which is entirely replaced by "Helena's Tutorial" in the film.

 

2 - "Voller Returns" - this is made up of pieces of 3 cues, and are out of order within the track.

 

3- "Tuk Tuk In Tangiers" - the part from 2:28-end is not used in the film anywhere in Tangiers, it's used in the film when Indy and Helena steal a car and head to the tourist attraction in Sicily.  But the running theory is that it is a "wild" recording of her theme in action mode, that Mangold could stick anywhere it was needed.  I think for listening purposes it makes sense to just leave it where it is, but if you want to match its film use, you could attempt to stick it into the middle of the "The Grafikos" track.

 

4 - "To Athens" - the first half of the track is not from this scene - I haven't identified it.  Could be an unused cue that got replaced by something else in the film, a cue for a deleted scene, something recorded just for the album - who knows.

So with these exceptions in mind, you could say a chronological order is more like:

1. 03 Germany, 1944 (4:42)
2. 05C [2:36-end] "Nazis" (0:30)
3. 05A [0:00-1:17] "The Archives" (1:17)
4. 05B [1:17-2:36] "Voller's Interview" (1:19)
5. 04 To Morocco (3:21)
6. 06 Auction At Hotel L’Atlantique (2:58)
7. 07A [0:00-2:28] "Streets of Morocco"
8. 08B [1:09-end] To Athens (1:08)
9. 09 Perils Of The Deep (2:31)
10. 10 Water Ballet (4:53)
11. 11 Polybius Cypher (2:39)
12. 12A [0:00-2:05] "Melting Wax" (2:05)
13. 07B [2:28-end] "Helena in Action" (1:07)
14. 12B [2:05-end] "Centipedes" (2:34)
15. 13 Archimedes’ Tomb (3:01)
16. 14 The Airport
17. 15 Battle Of Syracuse (2:50)
18. 16 Centuries Join Hands (3:02
19. 17 New York, 1969 (4:17)
20. 02 Helena’s Theme (3:30)
21. 01B [1:08-end] "End Credits Part 3" (4:52)
    not in film
22. 01A [0:00-1:08] (1:08)
23. 08A [0:00-1:09] (1:09)
24. 18 Helena’s Theme (For Violin And Orchestra) (4:59)

But that isn't very listenable...

[Archive Collection 214]

It's crazy that Disney didn't release a high res version of the album for purchase!!

 

However, if you want to have the score in 24-bit/96khz lossless format, you can download it from Disney’s FYC site:

 

https://debut.disney.com/fyc/twds/movie/indiana-jones-and-the-dial-of-destiny-1687388228406?tab=music

[crumbs 14,317]

4 hours ago, Archive Collection said:

It's crazy that Disney didn't release a high res version of the album for purchase!!

 

However, if you want to have the score in 24-bit/96khz lossless format, you can download it from Disney’s FYC site.

 

Disney Music logic: Make physical copies of the score almost impossible to buy, release high resolution digital copies for free.

[HB Potlood 33]

On 01/09/2023 at 3:32 PM, Jay said:

3- "Tuk Tuk In Tangiers" - the part from 2:28-end is not used in the film anywhere in Tangiers, it's used in the film when Indy and Helena steal a car and head to the tourist attraction in Sicily.  But the running theory is that it is a "wild" recording of her theme in action mode, that Mangold could stick anywhere it was needed.  I think for listening purposes it makes sense to just leave it where it is, but if you want to match its film use, you could attempt to stick it into the middle of the "The Airport" track.

 

 

What do you mean by this, Jay? The car stealing scene is much earlier than the airport sequence in the film, and the second half of the Tuk Tuk track doesn't seem to match either scene?

[Jay 37,369]

Typo - meant to say "The Grafikos". Fixed now. 

[Gurkensalat 340]

I don´t know if this is the right thread, but I just want to mention, that I compared the iTunes Version and the FYC hires version and they sound distinctly different. For my ears, the FYC is cleaner, while the iTunes sounds as if some additional processing like reverb etc has been added. Both sound good, but I prefer the FYC, since it gives me more the feeling to be in the studio. I am curious if somebody has compared the CD sound quality to those other versions?

[Manakin Skywalker 4,897]

10 hours ago, Gurkensalat said:

I don´t know if this is the right thread, but I just want to mention, that I compared the iTunes Version and the FYC hires version and they sound distinctly different. For my ears, the FYC is cleaner, while the iTunes sounds as if some additional processing like reverb etc has been added. Both sound good, but I prefer the FYC, since it gives me more the feeling to be in the studio. I am curious if somebody has compared the CD sound quality to those other versions?

 

The difference, as has been discussed, is that the FYC is in hi-res (96kHz/24-bit) whereas the album is in standard CD quality (44.1kHz/16-bit). Not to mention that iTunes audio is further compressed on top of that.

[Gurkensalat 340]

I know all that, of course. I was talking and asking about perceived sound differences, not technical specs.

[Chewy 2,391]

10 hours ago, Gurkensalat said:

I am curious if somebody has compared the CD sound quality to those other versions?

 

Nothing different, except that the CD master was of course resampled to 44.1kHz.

But no audible mixing/EQ/level/reverb differences compared to the high res FYC.

[Jay 37,369]

The tag information in the FYC files show that it's Patricia Sullivan's mastered output there, so this isn't a case where the FYC is the raw unmastered cues or anything.

[Bellosh 3,419]

the dust continues to settle with me on this score.

 

after numerous listens, i love the score even more and i've grown less and less fond of the movie.  the middle of this movie is just way too much of a slog to ever give this film replayability like the others.  i'd argue the middle of the film is just miserable to have re-watch.  Atleast with KOTCS, Ford is happy and involved in the lame 3rd act.  There's some fucking charisma!

 

my top 5 tracks:

 

To Athens

Prologue

The Airport

Battle of Syracuse

Centuries Join Hands

 

To Athens and Prologue would probably make my top 10 best Indy tracks of all time.  They ARE that good.

 

Prologue seems so far removed from the film too, almost like our first overture for an Indy film ---- the film is nowhere near as good as that cue is.  It's romantic and mysterious, ---- something Disney just can't seem to achieve.

[JNHFan2000 2,966]

 

[Brando 1,864]

Thats cool! I didn't know he would consider being on a podcast

[JNHFan2000 2,966]

Me neither. I was quite shocked to see his name. When I first saw it I thought it was maybe Mangold talkimg about the music.

 

This is really cool

[Brando 1,864]

Definitely! I'll have to check it out later.

[GerateWohl 4,370]

Wouldn't that be something for the main page?

[BB-8 3,479]

15 minutes ago, GerateWohl said:

Wouldn't that be something for the main page?

@Jay

 

39 minutes ago, JNHFan2000 said:

 

 

 

Oh dear, JW says the "N-word".

[Trope 527]

6 minutes ago, BB-8 said:

Oh dear, JW says the "N-word".

"No complete score expansion until 2053"

[BB-8 3,479]

He also mentions "the CD"...

 

It's really moving and even distracting to listen to him talk Vienna, Berlin and Japan with the Indy music constantly running in the background.

[A. A. Ron 1,742]

57 minutes ago, BB-8 said:

@Jay

Oh dear, JW says the "N-word".

Wait, what?

[thx99 1,740]

9 minutes ago, A. A. Ron said:

Wait, what?

Guessing it’s “Nazi”. 

[A. A. Ron 1,742]

Oh yes. I suppose that has become an offensive word to some people these last couple years.

[King Mark 3,631]

Good enough reason to say it more often

[Martinland 360]

On 11/10/2023 at 3:42 PM, BB-8 said:

It's really moving [...] to listen to him talk Vienna, Berlin and Japan with the Indy music [...] in the background.

This rings very, very true.

 

I just teared up a bit (in a mostly good, appreciative way) on this rainy Sunday here while listening...

 

 

On 11/10/2023 at 4:38 PM, A. A. Ron said:

[...] has become [...] offensive [...]

On a way off-topic note:

 

Almost everything seems to be offensive in some way or another nowadays, crazy human world ... which makes me a little bit sad inside ... but I have been making up for it in spades since June 1 2022...

[A. A. Ron 1,742]

1 hour ago, Martinland said:

Almost everything seems to be offensive in some way or another nowadays, crazy human world ... which makes me a little bit sad inside …

I hear this all the time, but it’s not really true that people in general are getting more sensitive. They are getting better at voicing their feelings and their needs. Western societies in general are also just doing a better job of understanding various viewpoints and respecting some of them. That said, I have no sympathy for the people who get upset when fascism is called out. Fuck ‘em. Indy had the right approach for dealing with Nazis.

[Martinland 360]

3 hours ago, Martinland said:

but I have been making up for it in spades since June 1 2022

:-D

 

[Courtney Sees Ghosts 269]

In addition to receiving a nomination for The Fabelmans, John Williams earned 2 Grammy nominations for Dial of Destiny! Well deserved imo.

[Damien F 1,742]

You're damn right Spotify!

 

[Indy 17]

 

 

[GerateWohl 4,370]

Currently listening again to the album and really love the score. During "Auction at Hotel L'Atlantique" I remembered, that I always thought when listening to the Tintin score that this is like an Indiana Jones score without the Raiders March. So, the similarity to The Duel doesn't bother me and is somehow consequent. 

[Bellosh 3,419]

On 03/12/2023 at 7:56 AM, Indy said:

 

 

 

To Athens is too low