John Williams is becoming a Disney Legend

[JNHFan2000 2,966]

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Among a few other names like Harrison Ford & Angela Bassett, John Williams will become a Disney Legend on August 11.

[Smeltington 1,440]

"Disney Legends Award recipients will also participate in a hand print ceremony at the end of the event, and their bronzed prints will be displayed in the Disney Legends Plaza at the company’s Burbank headquarters."

 

Think John will show up for this? Maybe Harrison will have a new colonoscopy story to share with him?

[bollemanneke 3,349]

JW should write a score for this occasion which Disney can then fuck up in a legacy collection set in 20 years and pretend it didn't happen.

[geom_00 36]

Ever since Disney bought Star Wars, I was WAITING for this to happen.

 

I might be in the minority here, but I am glad this will be happening.  

[Edmilson 7,466]

8 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

JW should write a score for this occasion which Disney can then fuck up in a legacy collection set in 20 years and pretend it didn't happen.

 

They should announce there that JW is writing the score and songs for Moana 2. The Rock singing a John Williams song would be awesome.

[geom_00 36]

3 minutes ago, Edmilson said:

 

They should announce there that JW is writing the score and songs for Moana 2. The Rock singing a John Williams song would be awesome.

Now all that we would need to see is The Rock and Temuera Morrison (Boba Fett) team up to do a Haka with the backing of a John Williams Polynesian sounding Drum piece.

[Tom 4,661]

24 minutes ago, Smeltington said:

"Disney Legends Award recipients will also participate in a hand print ceremony at the end of the event, and their bronzed prints will be displayed in the Disney Legends Plaza at the company’s Burbank headquarters."

 

Think John will show up for this? Maybe Harrison will have a new colonoscopy story to share with him?

 

[Jurassic Shark 12,079]

Does this mean Disney now owns John Williams?

[Naïve Old Fart 9,536]

37 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

Does this mean Disney now owns John Williams?

 

Why not?

The Mouse owns just about every other fucking thing in the entire world.

[Tom 4,661]

4 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said:

Does this mean Disney now owns John Williams?

Just his hands, but the rest belongs to you.   

[Edmilson 7,466]

If Disney owns John Williams, it's only a matter of time until they own JWFan as well. 

[Bespin 8,483]

JW: For many years now, I've dreamed of becoming a Disney princess.

Disney: It's Legend...

JW: Bummer, are you sure?

[Tallguy 3,398]

1 hour ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

 

Why not?

The Mouse owns just about every other fucking thing in the entire world.

 

Oddly not Dune, Oppenheimer, Barbie, or even Mr. Beast.

 

Currently the only new thing I'm watching on Disney+ is The Bad Batch. (And I'm loving it, sure.)

 

Oh, yeah. Star Trek? Not Disney. And we all know Star Trek...

[Andy 4,138]

If I were Johnny, I’d snub them for setting the artificial bar so high with all of Walt’s Oscar nominations that he didn’t really earn by himself. 

[WilliamsStarShip2282 308]

As much as I think JW should get every award possible, this is such horse shit. I guess since the company is borderline broke, they have to keep the gimmicks up

[JohnnyD 1,223]

That is nice that they are giving this well-deserved recognition to the Maestro.

[mrbellamy 6,287]

6 hours ago, Edmilson said:

If Disney owns John Williams, it's only a matter of time until they own JWFan as well. 

 

Name your price, @Ricard

[igger6 894]

What a farce. Disney has gone so acquisition-mad under Iger that they’re now sending Bishop from X-Men (company employee!) decades into the past to inform various titans of pop culture that they’re actually working for Disney, who will own them forty years hence. 
 

I can’t quite articulate why this feels so icky to me, but it’s the same feeling I got when The Sound of Music and Miracle on 34th Street showed up in their respective decades on the Disney100 section of Disney+ last year. They were not affiliated with you! They were, in fact, directly competing with you!

 

Disney is basically Mother Gothel now.  

[Faleel 5,353]

3 hours ago, igger6 said:

What a farce. Disney has gone so acquisition-mad under Iger that they’re now sending Bishop from X-Men (company employee!) decades into the past to inform various titans of pop culture that they’re actually working for Disney, who will own them forty years hence. 
 

I can’t quite articulate why this feels so icky to me, but it’s the same feeling I got when The Sound of Music and Miracle on 34th Street showed up in their respective decades on the Disney100 section of Disney+ last year. They were not affiliated with you! They were, in fact, directly competing with you!

 

Disney is basically Mother Gothel now.  

Wasn't one of his late 80's/90's scores loosely affiliated with Disney?

[Holko 9,526]

What's a disney legend and why does it matter?

[Trope 527]

Just now, Holko said:

What's a disney legend?

Possibly related to Star Wars Legends?

[GerateWohl 4,370]

25 minutes ago, Holko said:

What's a disney legend

The legend is, that Disney matters.

 

27 minutes ago, Holko said:

and why does it matter?

Because it doesn't.

 

 

[Andy 4,138]

1 hour ago, Holko said:

What's a disney legend and why does it matter?

[Tallguy 3,398]

I'm not in the "Disney is the root of all evil" camp. But no, this one is not sitting well with me.

 

Although he has done 4 full scores and a handful of themes for The Mouse. But we all know they're claiming his legendary days as "Disney". Even then... They get Star Wars, Indy, Willow, Home Alone, and....? (I mean, not a bad run for any composer.)

 

But it's JW. If he wrote them a jingle last Tuesday he's still one of the most legendary composers they've ever employed!

[Marian Schedenig 8,200]

20 hours ago, Bespin said:

JW: For many years now, I've dreamed of becoming a Disney princess.

Disney: It's Legend...

JW: Bummer, are you sure?

 

Randy Newman simply crowned himself a Disney princess:

[QuartalHarmony 543]

5 hours ago, Tallguy said:

they're claiming his legendary days as "Disney"

 

History is written by the winners owners.

[Edmilson 7,466]

JNH has written numerous Disney scores as well, everything from Dinosaur, Atlantis, Treasure Planet, Raya, Maleficent, every Shyamalan movie from The Sixth Sense until The Village... Is he a Disney legend? And sure, even if you argue that most of these movies were flops but what about Thomas Newman, who did countless Pixar movies and even was nominated for an Oscar for two of them?

[Tallguy 3,398]

1 minute ago, Edmilson said:

JNH has written numerous Disney scores as well, everything from Dinosaur, Atlantis, Treasure Planet, Raya, Maleficent, every Shyamalan movie from The Sixth Sense until The Village... Is he a Disney legend? And sure, even if you argue that most of these movies were flops but what about Thomas Newman, who did countless Pixar movies and even was nominated for an Oscar for two of them?

 

I mean. Yes?

[JohnnyD 1,223]

War Horse and Lincoln were both released under Touchstone Pictures, so those were released by Disney. There is also The BFG.

[Trope 527]

6 hours ago, Edmilson said:

what about Thomas Newman, who did countless Pixar movies and even was nominated for an Oscar for two of them?

Did you mean Randy? Tom has only done 4.

[Andy 4,138]

Ask yourself, Disney. Why do you give the Legend Award?  Is it for his glory, or for yours?

[Jurassic Shark 12,079]

Both, I guess. They're living in a symbiosis now.

[Tom 4,661]

I am just glad that I will no longer be the only one with bronzed prints of his hands in my office.  People were starting to worry about me.  

[Thor 7,508]

I could probably find out by googling around, but anyway - a question to all of you company-savvy people in here:

 

Has Williams ever done a Disney film PRIOR to Disney acquiring Fox etc.? If not, it's a bit strange to get a "Disney Legend" award when all the titles are indirect Disney titles.

[BB-8 3,478]

He used a Disney theme in CEOTTK.

[Marian Schedenig 8,200]

2 hours ago, Thor said:

If not, it's a bit strange to get a "Disney Legend" award when all the titles are indirect Disney titles.

 

Star Wars is one of Disney's biggest franchises now, even if they didn't originate it. Regardless of whether you agree with them considering it their own (technically at least it is), at least they're consistent by honouring the people who made it what it is.

[Thor 7,508]

49 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said:

 

Star Wars is one of Disney's biggest franchises now, even if they didn't originate it. Regardless of whether you agree with them considering it their own (technically at least it is), at least they're consistent by honouring the people who made it what it is.

 

Yeah, I suppose it's fine. I was just curious if Williams wrote anything DIRECTLY for Disney in his career, prior to the merger. I can't think of anything off the top of my head, but then I'm not an expert on labels and companies.

[Tom 4,661]

28 minutes ago, Thor said:

 

Yeah, I suppose it's fine. I was just curious if Williams wrote anything DIRECTLY for Disney in his career, prior to the merger. I can't think of anything off the top of my head, but then I'm not an expert on labels and companies.

I am fairly sure that he did not.  

[Jay 37,369]

On 30/03/2024 at 5:53 AM, Thor said:

I could probably find out by googling around, but anyway - a question to all of you company-savvy people in here:

 

Has Williams ever done a Disney film PRIOR to Disney acquiring Fox etc.? If not, it's a bit strange to get a "Disney Legend" award when all the titles are indirect Disney titles.

 

 

Williams has scored these films directly for Disney:

1. 1995 - Nixon (Hollywood Pictures)
2. 2011 - War Horse (Touchstone Pictures)
3. 2012 - Lincoln (Touchstone Pictures)
    
4. 2015 - The Force Awakens (Disney)
5. 2016 - The BFG (Disney)
6. 2017 -The Last Jedi (Disney)
7. 2019 - The Rise of Skywalker (Disney)
8. 2023 - The Dial of Destiny (Disney)

 

Disney's purchase of Lucasfilm in 2012 means they inherited these scores:

1. 1977 - Star Wars
2. 1980 - The Empire Strikes Back
3. 1981 - The Raiders of the Lost Ark
4. 1983 - The Return of the Jedi
5. 1984 - The Temple of Room
6. 1989 - The Last Crusade
7. 1999 - The Phantom Menace
8. 2002 - The Attack of the Clones
9. 2005 - The Revenge of the Sith
10. 2008 - The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

 

Disney's purchase of 20th Century Fox in 2019 means they inherited these scores:

1. 1962 - Bachelor Flat
2. 1965 - John Goldfarb, Please Come Home
3. 1966 - How To Steal A Million
4. 1967 - A Guide For The Married Man
5. 1967 - Valley of the Dolls
6. 1972 - The Poseidon Adventure
7. 1973 - The Paper Chase
8. 1973 - Cinderella Liberty
9. 1974 - Conrack
10. 1974 - The Towering Inferno
11. 1978 - The Fury
12. 1982 - Monsignor
13. 1986 - SpaceCamp
14. 1990 - Home Alone
15. 1992 - Home Alone 2
16. 2002 - Minority Report
17. 2013 - The Book Thief
18. 2017 - The Post

[mrbellamy 6,287]

Technically Disney didn't inherit A New Hope until they bought Fox, I believe 

 

I knew there had to be something like Nixon in there. I guess that and War Horse are the only two films he scored to be affiliated with Disney in any way before they acquired Lucasfilm. Lincoln was finished before the acquisition but released afterward. If he'd scored Bridge of Spies, that would have been a third under that Disney/DreamWorks deal via Touchstone. 

 

I guess The BFG remains the only one in his career that was produced, branded, and released worldwide as a bona-fide Disney movie. 

[Andy 4,138]

It’s such a stretch. 
 

It’s not like Harrison Ford grew up doing Disney family films like Kurt Russel, or John Williams scoring the Cat From Outer Space and Swiss Family Robinson. 

[Thor 7,508]

A-ha! NIXON and WAR HORSE! The first is a very strong (and somewhat underrated) score, and the second one of the three best he's done since 2005. So even if there was no acquisition, at least there are those two!

 

Googling around, it seems Hollywood Pictures closed shop in 2007, and Touchstone in 2016.

[mrbellamy 6,287]

Lincoln also would have been released by Disney/Touchstone regardless, and I don't think there's any particular reason Spielberg still wouldn't have ended up doing The BFG for them. 

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

17 minutes ago, Jay said:

Williams has scored these films directly for Disney:

1. 1995 - Nixon (Hollywood Pictures)

I thought Alan Menken did that one...

[Thor 7,508]

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Lincoln also would have been released by Disney/Touchstone regardless, and I don't think there's any particular reason Spielberg still wouldn't have ended up doing The BFG for them. 

 

So should we count LINCOLN too?

[mrbellamy 6,287]

I don't see why not. I mean, again, if any of those eight movies count at all as Disney, it's clearly The BFG. Everything else is splitting hairs. 

 

In terms of the actual production, Nixon doesn't seem to count as a Disney movie any more or less than The Rise of Skywalker, really. 

 

As Andy said, the whole "Disney Legend" thing is a stretch, anyway. Disney is more of a player in the John Williams story than John Williams is in the Disney story. 

[Thor 7,508]

2 minutes ago, mrbellamy said:

I don't see why not. I mean, again, if any of those eight movies count at all as Disney, it's clearly The BFG. Everything else is splitting hairs. 

 

I suppose, yes. No "inherited property" on that one. Doesn't matter if it's post-acquisition.

[Jay 37,369]

Hollywood Pictures and Touchstone Pictures are companies created by, run by, and entirely owned by Disney.  These companies were a way for Disney to release R-rated movies since they never do that under Disney branding.  Nixon absolutely counts as projects that John Williams scored for the Disney company.

 

War Horse, Lincoln, and if he had been able to do Bridge of Spies, he's doing those scores FOR Dreamworks, but Dreamworks was not distributing their films themselves any more by that point, hence the deal for Disney (through their Touchstone brand) to distribute them.  Disney had no creative input on those, they were just distributing what Dreamworks gave them.

 

Likewise, the Star Wars sequel scores and Indiana Jones 5 area films he's scoring for Disney.  Sure he only worked with the directors and maybe the head of Lucasfilm (Kathleen Kennedy), but Disney execs could still meddle with those films (and very likely did) in a way that they could not do with those Dreamworks ones.

[mrbellamy 6,287]

Actually funnily enough, another piece that you could classify as "stealth Disney" is "Soundings" which he wrote for the debut of the Walt Disney Concert Hall. 

 

16 minutes ago, Jay said:

Hollywood Pictures and Touchstone Pictures are companies created by, run by, and entirely owned by Disney.  These companies were a way for Disney to release R-rated movies since they never do that under Disney branding.  Nixon absolutely counts as projects that John Williams scored for the Disney company.

 

We all remember the great Disney villains. Maleficent. Cruella De Vil. Richard Nixon. 

[Thor 7,508]

1 hour ago, mrbellamy said:

Actually funnily enough, another piece that you could classify as "stealth Disney" is "Soundings" which he wrote for the debut of the Walt Disney Concert Hall. 

 

That's true. Never even thought of that.