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Maybe this thread should be renamed to the Indiana Jones Disenchantment Thread

The more I think about it, the more this feels like a straight-up scam. The use of the word "complete" feels so intentional... they knew that ill-informed people would see that title and just blind buy it. And that price. $30 per disc. Holy shit! There's no way they're not screwing with us at this point. After the DoD debacle and people not receiving their copies for months, I don't know how anyone can trust DME anymore. I'm willing to bet the majority of people who are going to purchase this set are just scalpers looking to resell them on Ebay/Discogs.

I'd watch it.

That’s the guy who called me toxic and negative.

That's not what @JTW is saying. It costs too much for the actual value of physical media these days. Can you name any other 5-cd set of anything that sells for $150 price while including nothing new?

In today's corporate-driven era of content creation, the marketability and ease of throwing content out to make an abundance of paraphernalia and memorabilia, it baffles me that these corporate giants can't or won't go the extra mile to actually give people (who I should add are willing to pay whatever) what they want and produce actual expansions. What are they worried about? Clearly they don't care that collectors already have this material... In short, Disney should use its capitalistic might and go all-out - actual gold leaf embossed covers, the finest cotton papers in the booklets, posters, collectors cards, every second of recorded music and even the recordings of people still mic'd up when they're taking a shit - EVERYTHING!

It's funny that this guy's personality is so specific that we were able to link a new member's profile to a random Facebook account in under 2 hours. Don't ever underestimate the investigative skills of the J-Team!

Just waiting for JWFans to find out Disney trimmed two minutes at the end of each CD.

Agree with every single word of the above (only removed some for brevity). I would eat my hat if there were any negative or 'fuck you, Williams fans' behind this. I certainly think it's no more complicated than those in charge know absolutely nothing at all about how expanded scores work. Someone decides (wrongly or rightly) that it would be nice to put out a box set containing all five scores (the price is a matter on its own) and probably asks their soundtrack department to give them whatever the 'latest' version is to put into a box. Just so happens to be the new programs made for Concord. Maybe someone in the soundtrack dept has a clue what's going on and actively provides the most complete programs available, instead of the OSTs. If you e-mailed anyone in Disney complaining about this, going on about missing music and pitch issues, you'd get someone looking at their screen as confused as I would be if you e-mailed me to explain the last cricket score. (hint: I couldn't be less interested in cricket).

Is it though? Is it? Of course nobody's forced to buy anything, and few on this forum will, because it is an abusive price tag that's completely disconnected from the current market value of physical media. The Harry Potter 7-cd set is $105, and that's a labor of love from a specialty label, beautifully restored and packaged with detailed liner notes. $150 (+tax +shipping) for a 5-cd reissue of 15-year-old masterings is an insult. The choice is not with the buyer anymore when products are artificially priced way above value, and several hundred percent above inflation rates. It's offensive to the buyer who then has little choice but to pass. I certainly do not feel like I have a choice. I prefer to buy the John Mauceri 16-cd box that's coming out tomorrow for cheaper than that. Because I do not feel like Decca, unlike Disney, is laughing at me.

I still believe people here tend to overestimate the intent behind these releases. The people in charge likely know nothing about film music. They probably never thought about how a film contains more music than the accompanying soundtrack album. Maybe they've heard of expanded releases, in which case they might think of the additional tracks as bonus tracks (like on a re-release of a pop/rock album with bonus tracks). If they even stop to consider that there might be even more music that hasn't yet been released, I doubt they conclude that there's a sizeable (and sadly *that's* debatable) community that is desperately waiting for that music to be released. In short, they probably know and care about as much about film music as I do about cars or football, or even less. "Complete" in that context makes sense - and in some others. The set is complete insofar as it contains every soundtrack from the series. No, it doesn't contain every second of music from the series - see above. "Complete" is a marketing term - c.f. the "complete recordings" of the LOTR scores, which certainly aren't the complete *recordings* (those would be hours and hours more, and most of them would be uninteresting). They're not calling them "expanded" - and even that could be argued for, because the first three *are* expanded compared to the OST albums. This release is redundant. It's horribly overpriced. I don't believe it's a scam. Ultimately, the problem is that these releases are handled by business people instead of artists/fans.

Is this the longest thread title JWFan has ever had?

Nothing's gonna get past this guy.

I mean it's not like they're going to beat Disney's new Indy set so why bother really?

And now he's come to spread his toxicity to JWFan (where before now there was absolutely no toxicity whatsoever, it was completely friendly and everybody loved, respected and agreed with one another)!

5 new John Williams La-La Land titles confirmed!

If each release here was missing whatever in the hell we're missing from the Concord Raiders (I honestly couldn't tell you at the moment)....I doubt most of us here would be as bummed out by this, but still probably a bit bummed. But there's simply way too much music missing from the other 4 scores. And it's been 15 fucking years since Concord at least put a well intentioned step forward however incomplete they were. I'm a little bit more sympathetic to a smaller label like Concord. Disney has no excuses. Disney is just milking this shit.

This was never in doubt when "Disney" was the first word of the thread topic.

Yeah, the last decade(s) of dozens of proper complete expansions of his scores, many of them redone to improve similar earlier travesties totally didn't happen at all.

Am I missing something? How the f*ck were the people who judge this competition fooled? This "photo" screams AI to me.

I was going to say! I commented on his post in another group and his reply was like “well I’m a diehard collector and yada yada” and I’m like this thing is vastly incomplete and flawed in several ways. He’s an interesting character.

This guy loves to fake cry while watching Indiana Jones trailers and whatnot hoping somehow his videos go viral. But it seemed to work on Lucasfilm because he was invited to the premiere.

and will sell these minutes by an extra bonus disk for additional 100$.

I was asking a genuine question because I don't know who the fuck runs that crap but if your only answer to my question is to ridicule me, than fuck it. We all will know in a few hours how "historical" this Black Friday will be anyway.

Treat this with the appropriate level of sacrilege, but MM isn't the only soundtrack producer... sure he's the current expert, but someone else could do SW/Indy and do a good job. It's a bit funny suggesting that if he retires before he does these, it's the end of the world

It's gotten a little heated in here, but there's valid arguments on both sides. One of those "agree to disagree" situations. I'm not losing hope though guys. Mike Matessino is our guy in the biz who knows what we want, and I have to believe he's slowly chipping away at trying to realize a new comprehensive Indy (and Star Wars) release, but we're not done waiting...

The angst is the price. $150 for five discs of all previously-released music minus the extra Concord disc. In 2008, I paid £25 for the Concord box. I thought that it was a decent bargain. This is nothing short of an absolute rip-off.

To the pre-order page everyone!!

The single disc is a concept album of Shawm music recorded during the sessions. The actual film take is left off. Williams didn't like it.

JW to personally hand deliver all LLL orders confirmed!!

Aside from the fact that these days I wouldn't want to buy a Tesla even if I wanted to buy a car - there are other cars that serve the same function. They're not identical, but I'd argue that another car, even a less efficient/comfortable one, has more in common with a Tesla than another JW score of equal quality has in common with one of his Indy scores. If I want to have the score for Raiders of the Lost Ark but can't afford it, the score for Lincoln (which I love) isn't an acceptable alternative.

That you, Bes?

I'm more worried about a multi billion company not knowing how or willing to not want to properly expand a release on the level of the smaller studios. Embarrassing.

Business people know how to read, right? Like, how to read the exhortations from the passionate, money-spending collector crowd? Or they have staff who can tell them that there exists a passionate, money-spending crowd that would buy properly produced expanded albums, I assume? So why don't these people listen?? The specialty labels aren't charities. They aren't raking it in, but they've remained going concerns for years, during the CD format's lowest ebb. Disney should know they could make money from this endeavor-- indeed, they do know it, since they've got their Legacy Collection going. Money is money. Revenue is revenue. If I spend $50K on something and earn $65K in return, I've made money. That alone should make the endeavor worth undertaking. Whether I made that $15K flogging Mickey Mouse crap on the sidewalk or producing & releasing an archival-quality expanded score from America's and the world's favorite composer, it's still $15K to me. Why would I turn my back on it? What the hell are these scores going to be worth in the future if the source tapes or reels or whatever are degraded beyond repair, or the people capable of doing the restoration and production are no longer around or have moved on to other things? Make your money now, Disney. Come back in 10 years with a reissue of a properly expanded box set and get folks to double-dip if you want; at least you'll have another product in your back catalog you can reissue. What on earth is the downside to any of this, Disney??

Maybe I've underestimated the average consumer here. Also, what a stupid and selfish thing to gloat about, considering how hard a time people have had getting just one of these CDs. I really hope LLL can save us today because this whole week has been an absolute kick in the teeth from Disney. Not only is this set insulting as hell, but gaslighting us by marketing it as "complete" makes me want to tear my hair out.

@richiestudman The reality is, we anticipated a fresh approach in these expansions—a revision that would have addressed the minor technical issues present in Raiders. Additionally, we were looking forward to a comprehensive program similar to what we have become accustomed to with Specialty Labels. This 2008 expansion feels 'dated' in comparison.

Indeed, sir. Putting the Davros debate to one side, I'd just like to say ... A very happy 60th anniversary, Doctor ... who (arf) would've thought it way back on 23rd November 1963, eh? From modest beginnings to telly's greatest hero in its longest running sci-fi show. Quite remarkable, really. May your adventures across space and time continue to be a bright spot in this ever-darkening world, to both me and many others. I look forward to watching the colourised 'cutdown' version of your first encounter with the Daleks on BBC4 tonight, and to seeing what's in store for your fourteenth incarnation across the next 3 Saturday nights (especially the explanation as to why he appears to be your tenth one all over again, lol). Happy times and places. Allons-y! - William Hartnell, lol - Paul McGann, lol

The Christmas specials have always aired on Boxing Day in Australia. I'm fine with it, it was a big part of my family tradition to sit down and watch on Boxing Day night and I'm thrilled that it's finally returning. As for the storm in a teacup that is Davros... Others have articulated my thoughts already; RTD made a decision that was entirely appropriate given the context of the short. In case people haven't noticed he has a strong working relationship with Ruth Madely (who is appearing in these specials); he's already putting his money where his mouth is when it comes to platforming differently abled actors. Not too long ago mainstream films, television, and books frequently coded villains as gay or sexually "deviant" in some way, and that would likely still be the case if it wasn't for storytellers like RTD being vocal about it and -crucially - actually doing something about it by presenting queer stories and platforming queer actors. It's not virtue signalling if there's tangible action to go along with the awareness. I'm old enough to remember how much people complained about the queerness in RTD's first run, this is pretty much the same "controversy".

This. Because we all know the agonising helplessness of waiting years for expansions to scores and will probably still be waiting until we're dead. Anyone can create their own curated listening experience, but they can't make new music appear out of thin air. Television scores always get a bum treatment because there simply is not the budget to release twelve or however many episodes there are in a season as scores. I'm still weeping that there are so many lovely cues from Murray Gold's Doctor Who scores that will likely never see the light of day. Just like Doctor Who, The Mandalorian score releases have a handful of cues from each episode and it leaves you wondering why there isn't more because they've gone to the effort to produce an album, but at the same time, composers and producers are making cuts to make these things marketable in under 2 discs. The whole thing is fucked.

Maybe they're paid Disney shills, like the ones saying how great their awful movies are in YouTube comments sections. "Toxic and negative" for pointing out it could be better... 😂 That's the climate we're living in folks...

ASM will be f*cking proud that she's made it to the slipcase of a complete OST edition. JWFan forum member reacting to the "good news" from DME

https://x.com/jwfancom/status/1727684783356981564?s=46&t=l9YYLnje0jzJk2Rry0GlLQ JW release confirmed!?!? Hopefully it’s not in reference to the 20-disc set

He looks exactly like the kind of guy for whom that release is made.

This is how Disney thinks: There is a large group of people who like or love the Indiana Jones movies; Within that group there's a smaller one of Indiana Jones diehards, who buy memorabilia and products about the series. Inside this group of diehards, there's an even smaller one of people who, amongst the IJ memorabilia, buy the John Williams score albums for the movies. And, within this tiny group there is an even smaller one of enthusiasts of John Williams IJ music, who know and care about the imperfections on previous releases and want a new edition to rectify those mistakes. Do you understand now why Disney is not calling Matessino to produce definitive Indiana Jones albums? They don't want to spend the time and their (already dwindling) resources to cater to a tiny group within a tiny group of people.

A lot of people don't have the Concord set, so I'm struggling to see the angst about this box set release. JW doesn't really do expanded versions of his scores, and what was included with the Concord set (albeit with the bonus disc) is probably as "complete" as it is likely to get. Should it include the bonus discs that were "exclusive" to the Concord set - a tricky one as they were supposed to only be available with that set.... I'm also slightly sceptical that what you see in the photos is what will be released - they look like placeholders to me, so there *may* be more content, they might be jewel cases, they might be card sleeves... Certainly the jewel cases don't look like the finished article, so who knows? But.. buy it, or don't buy it - nobody is forcing you. I'm just happy to see a physical format release, and have happily pre-ordered it.

Monsieur Williams... https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/fsmonline/ Musical Dicks?

Bravo Disney, Bravo! How utterly, predictably depressing! A lazy, minimal effort reissue but the price! Oh, my god; the price! $150 is totally insane for five single CDs! Who amongst the "likes the occasional film tune but isn't a score-obsessed fan and couldn't name a soundtrack speciality label if their life depended on it" public are really going to spend that sort of money? I own both the Concord box and the DoD CD so most definitely won't be throwing any money Disney's way. Besides: considering the shameful debacles over both the DoD CD and vinyl, I predict this'll be another long-running joke of slipping release dates and delayed printings. Such a shame...