The Rise of Skywalker The Rise of Skywalker SPOILERS ALLOWED discussion thread

[leeallen01 2,136]

When Kylo touched Rey's stomach to resurrect her, I bet he put a force baby inside her and that's the next trilogy. 

 

Rey will raise a force baby with force ghost Ben, and they'll name it Han. Han Skywalker.

 

And f**k it, let's have Ben lighting the family christmas tree with his force-lightening ghost powers.

[Bespin 8,483]

A force baby 👶 

[Arpy 4,145]

1 hour ago, Disco Stu said:

isn’t the conversation with Yoda and then him doing the Force Projection stuff already him acknowledging it had been a mistake within TLJ itself?

Yep, that's the point people mistake for, well... a mistake, not on the part of Luke's actions, but on Rian Johnson and Co. Like, 'Hello! Were you guys watching the film?' Luke acknowledges his past mistakes and chooses to fight. Simple.

 

It's just another example of the blind hatred for TLJ.

 

 

[leeallen01 2,136]

2 minutes ago, Arpy said:

Yep, that's the point people mistake for, well... a mistake, not on the part of Luke's actions, but on Rian Johnson and Co. Like, 'Hello! Were you guys watching the film?' Luke acknowledges his past mistakes and chooses to fight. Simple.

 

It's just another example of the blind hatred for TLJ.

 

 

 

 

There is no argument in favour of Luke Skywalker considering murdering his own nephew and then running away from his responsibilities while said nephew destroys the galaxy with his new black robed buddies. 

 

Stop trying to defend that story choice. Disney's credibility in Star Wars is over. Get off the bandwagon asap. The only people left defending it as 'good storytelling' are just blind fans who clap at any corporate slop they are fed.

[Biodome 714]

1 hour ago, Thor said:

(Hope you don't get sued by Disney, though!).

 

I'd use the "You would've done the same" defence in that case. It worked in the movie!

[Arpy 4,145]

Nope, not going to subscribe to this outrage culture. Save it for real issues.

 

The way the film justifies it is simply the very real regret and remorse one faces after going too far. People don't just face their problems right away and within the film's story - Rey admonished Luke for not rejoining the Resistance. 

25 minutes ago, leeallen01 said:

 

 

There is no argument in favour of Luke Skywalker considering murdering his own nephew and then running away from his responsibilities while said nephew destroys the galaxy with his new black robed buddies. 

 

Stop trying to defend that story choice. Disney's credibility in Star Wars is over. Get off the bandwagon asap. The only people left defending it as 'good storytelling' are just blind fans who clap at any corporate slop they are fed.

 

[Romão 2,274]

Well, I must say really did not like this movie. I liked TFA and loved TLJ, but this is one just has too much of everything. Too much plot, too little story. Too many planets. Too many short scenes. No sense of place. No atmosphere. No breathers.

 

I knew I was in trouble right after the opening crawl, with so much exposition being thrown at Kylo Ren.

 

Say what you will about TLJ, but there was a wonderful sense of place in that island. The scenes took their time. The cinematography was fantastic. There was a lot more impact in that Snoke throne room scene than in any Palpatine scene in this one, which always have that fake CGI sheen look to them. Even TFA achieved that very real sense of place in the early Jakku scenes. Not in this one. The movie just jumps around too much. Planets come and go without leaving any impression.

 

I'm surprised how great the score turned out, with a movie as scattered a fast cut as this one. There are literally 10 seconds scenes of exposition that interrupt the previous scene.

 

With the best Star Wars movies, you can summarize the plot in like a paragraph. 6 major things or so happen. And that's it.

 

This one is convoluted. It's just all over the place.

 

The complete score will this movie seem to be much better in my head. And a good score is the most important thing about a Star Wars film. Other than that, I'm bummed, I really wanted to like this.

 

Sorry for the scattered thoughts

[Remco 685]

I agree with everything you said.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

So Godzilla: King of the Monsters remains the best movie of 2019.

[Romão 2,274]

Also, JJ clearly watched Dunkirk and wanted a similar battle climax in this one. It doesn't work.

 

On one of the few positive notes, this little guy rocks:

 

 

Easily my favorite new character from this film

[Ollie 1,059]

Any Ewoks?

[crocodile 8,016]

Just came back. It was pure shite.

 

Karol

[Romão 2,274]

14 minutes ago, Ollie said:

Any Ewoks?

 

Actually, yeah

[crocodile 8,016]

The worst thing, for all the stuff crammed into it, the film is incredibly boring.

 

Karol

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

There are Ewoks too??

 

Is Jar Jar in it?

[rough cut 1,714]

The movie was good, way better than I expected. It is similar to TFA, but better. I liked how they copied the plot points from  ROTJ. It’s a bit shameless, the way they do it, but it works.

 

I liked that they retconned a lot of the Rian Johnson TLJ nonsense, they should never have tried to “flip the genre on its head” or whatever Rian said... This is back to form, and kind of proves that Disney is a bit of a shamed of dropping the ball on that one.

 

In the end, I think that they tied the three trilogies together, and ended the “Skywalksr saga” in the best way possible.

[Romão 2,274]

I found it to be the worst of the 9 of the Skywalker saga. And easily the most boring

[Naïve Old Fart 9,533]

6 hours ago, Thor said:

GUNNER SEAT, thank you!

Don't mention The Gunners!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

2 hours ago, Romão said:

I found it to be the worst of the 9 of the Skywalker saga. And easily the most boring

 

Its better than 4 Star Wars films Lucas was involved in, in my opinion.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

The George Lucas Trilogy can never be topped.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Which of the two?

[Chen G. 3,949]

Any trilogy where two entries weren't directed by George Lucas cannot and should not be called a "George Lucas trilogy".

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Incorrect. The Original Trilogy came from Lucas.

[Chen G. 3,949]

Even if George Lucas had written all the scripts by his own (which he didn't), the role of the director is key, and he didn't direct the later two entries. Lucas wasn't even on the set for most of the production of The Empire Strikes Back.

 

People complain about the lack of an outline for this trilogy or for the lack of one man's vision guiding it through, and they forget that the same could apply to the classic trilogy that they like so much.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

But I thought Leigh Brackett came up with Darth Vader being Luke's father.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,533]

It's happening again. A "good" man is being marred by baseless accusations of corruption. The Demo ahem (cough), I mean er...the bureaucrats are in charge, now.

[Chen G. 3,949]

38 minutes ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said:

But I thought Leigh Brackett came up with Darth Vader being Luke's father.

 

Nope. That was George Lucas, writing his first own draft after Brackett's death, on his own. Still, her sensibilities are all over the Han-Leia romance, and of course Lawrence Kasdan made a huge difference to the script later on.

 

You definitely can't credit the screenplay of The Empire Strikes Back solely or even primarily to George Lucas, which is partially why he only has a "story by" credit.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,533]

Yeah. I heard that Bracket, and Lucas, and Kasdan also wrote the "Indianapolis" speech.

[crocodile 8,016]

5 hours ago, Romão said:

I found it to be the worst of the 9 of the Skywalker saga. And easily the most boring

Not sure about the worst but it felt like the biggest letdown to me. It's not even what happens (I didn't like it anyway) but the film itself is hilariously inept at executing almost any of them. There are some bits I liked but they were mostly small things in the first half. The further it went the more disinterested I was. It just felt like a fanfic or... Game of Thrones season 8.

 

Karol

[theMaestraX 106]

Excellent but with the familiar - the film concluded nicely, good action scenes and the pacing of the film was excellently crafted.

I even liked C3PO had more dialogue this time. The Music sounded great and  I shall be purchasing this as we had new themes with the

familiar themes which was kinda a nostalgic! 

This WAS a STAR WARS film and back to form also. Overall a film worth watching again, again! Did anyone see our illustrious Composer?

Impressive....most impressive!

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

I'm worried this isn't as arty or weird as TLJ.

[leeallen01 2,136]

To be honest, it was all over the moment they decided to bring Palpatine back in a foolish attempt at 'bookending' the 9 films as one.

 

It's baffling to me how someone can just cancel out the impact of the Original Trilogy, and remove all meaning to ROTJ, but think they are doing some grand statement of storytelling. No, you're just a lazy hack J.J.

 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

7 minutes ago, leeallen01 said:

To be honest, it was all over the moment they decided to bring Palpatine back in a foolish attempt at 'bookending' the 9 films as one.

 

I chuckled when the title crawl actually announced Palpatine was back. 

[Bespin 8,483]

THE DEAD SPEAK!!!

[crocodile 8,016]

Kill the girl....nah...I need her to kill me... nah... will kill her myself. Just make up your mind, stupid.😆

 

Karol

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Like you killed Ensign Lynch?!

[Thor 7,504]

7 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

 

I chuckled when the title crawl actually announced Palpatine was back. 

 

Well, after Darth Maul apparently survived being cut in half (per THE CLONE WARS and SOLO), it isn't much of a stretch to suggest that the powerful Emperor survived a fall down a shaft. Perhaps he landed on an antenna like Luke did.

 

I like how he looks like a pale Palpatine at first; his powers not restored to full power, but then when he drains Rey and Ben, he's back to his wrinkly self with piercing, yellow eyes.

[theMaestraX 106]

Certainly a vast improvement over The Last Jedi.

[leeallen01 2,136]

7 minutes ago, Thor said:

 

Well, after Darth Maul apparently survived being cut in half (per THE CLONE WARS and SOLO), it isn't much of a stretch to suggest that the powerful Emperor survived a fall down a shaft. Perhaps he landed on an antenna like Luke did.

 

That's true. I think people do understand that this is ridiculous fantasy, so anything can happen within the lore rules they have established. 

 

But to bring back Maul doesn't remove any power from the storytelling. He was just a tool of Palpatine. He was basically there to be a 'Phantom Menace' that ultimately enabled Obi Wan to have the need to mature quicker and face training Anakin alone without Qui Gon's help. But bringing back Palpatine removes a lot of power from the storytelling, and ultimately changes the entire outlook of the OT.

 

Of course the entire Disney Trilogy does that just by existing.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Random ruminations.

 

Finn gets coupled with 3 female characters in 3 films, and nothing really comes of it, ever. Romantically or otherwise.

 

Finn actually doesn't have much of an arc in this film.

 

There's no way Palpatine's return was something that was planned before JJ took over this film. Its done without any subtlety or build up. The crawl just says he's back, and the first scene in the film confirms it. JJ did s clever job reverse engineering some other parts in this film. But Palpy returning.. ..was never in the cards 

 

And he returned, with the biggest fucking fleet of Star Destroyers, all with planet killing capabilities! This is very JJ. Bigger is better. Even though it isn't even remotely plausible.

 

What did Finn wanna say to Rey? Why did Poe seem to object to it? Is Finn/Poe still a thing? If they're supposed to be gay, why not actually show it?

 

The Rey/Ben stuff... works. Its the solid center of a film that otherwise refuses to have a center. The conflict between them feels real and personal.

 

TROS is the first film to put Rey, Poe and Finn together for any length of time. Its a good idea. Like how Star Trek 5 is the first to put Kirk, Spock and Bones together for a prolonged period.

 

Fans hated Hux, so Hux was killed unceremoniously. Its dumb and unproductive fan service. 

 

We get a new guy who's the same, but more boring. Where did he come from? Did Palpatine send him?

 

Leila's death was perhaps a bit too understated, but considering the actress died years ago, i understand why they wanted to not make it gaudy. Its one of the few things in the film that is understated. 

Considering the circumstances Leia was actually well used in this film.

 

Carrie Fisher's daughter is sporting Leia's hairdo from TESB in this film. Nice nod.

 

Rey being Palpatine's grand daughter is 100% pointless to the story. Its fairly harmless, save that it retcons the more interesting revelation from TLJ. That she's no one, and has no lineage worth a damn.

 

I largely enjoyed this film, even though almost none of it actually makes any sense. 

Its big, its incredibly referential to what came before in a way that is both clever and incredibly limiting.

 

Its trying to do the same thing Avengers: Endgame did earlier this year. And surprisingly, the MCU actually did it in a way thats more clever 

[Bespin 8,483]

Palpatine: "Kylo told you what happened to your... parents (roll eyes), but he never told you what happened to your grandparents!  Rey, I AM YOUR GRANDFATHER!"

 

Rey: Ok, boomer...

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Ridley actually does carry this juggernaut of a film really well.

 

 

[Jost1 105]

Daisy Ridley ain't bad!  Adam Driver is very good as well

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

JJ casts his leads really well.

 

Another rumination:

 

Rey's line of "And I....am...all...the Jedi

 

 

A bit too close to....

 

[Bilbo 3,709]

Seeing this now shortly. I hope it doesn’t suck as much as the spoilers and reviews would have you believe. 

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

1 hour ago, Stefancos said:

JJ casts his leads really well.

 

Another rumination:

 

Rey's line of "And I....am...all...the Jedi

 

 

A bit too close to....

 

 

Ahahahha! Does she really say that?!

[BLUMENKOHL 1,068]

Oh yes.

[Jost1 105]

The TLJ retconning sucked in this movie.  

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Omfg

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

10 minutes ago, Blumenkohl said:

Oh yes.

 

Deliberate you reckon? Or an oversight? I chuckled at a point I probably wasnt supposed to.