Marian Schedenig 8,207 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Nice. I've never owned Towering Inferno and Earthquake, and I only have the old FSM release of Poseidon. This will shrink the gaps in my Williams soundtrack collection (not counting scores that have never been released, obviously) to Fiddler on the Roof, Yes, Giorgo, and Always (only on CDR). 3 hours ago, crumbs said: The idea of a "Williams Disaster Score Box," never occurred to me but it seems like the Williams camp must be reasonably fond of the concept of bundling similar scores in deluxe sets. Or perhaps it's their way of making sure the less appealing scores in the set pay for themselves. If they released all 3 individually and one of them sold considerably less than the others, it might be a financial loss, and the decision could have been either release only two of them or bundle all three together. 2 hours ago, Thor said: But the sound quality has never been an issue on any of those previous releases Is has been on the FSM Poseidon Adventure. (I haven't heard the later release) Dr. Rick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 7 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: Or perhaps it's their way of making sure the less appealing scores in the set pay for themselves. If they released all 3 individually and one of them sold considerably less than the others, it might be a financial loss, and the decision could have been either release only two of them or bundle all three together. Apparently Williams himself wanted the 3 scores bundled together but your theory is sound. I guess we had similar discussions around a potential Potter box, considering two of those three scores were widely available for years via session leaks (so it was questionable whether 1/2 would ever sell as well as 3, which was largely unreleased). Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,419 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Holy smokes what a treat to wake up to!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,083 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 7 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: Fiddler on the Roof You should get the 30th anniversary edition. It's a marvelous JW score! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,372 Posted November 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2019 Guys this is the real deal. It is utterly amazing how much better Mike was able to get The Towering Inferno to sound compared to the FSM CD. The years of improvements in both technology and his own experience really have created a final album I never would have thought possible. It's quite remarkable. You'll notice as soon as the samples go up. MikeH, bollemanneke, Amer and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeH 768 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 So happy right now, especially with all the source music from Towering Inferno included. I remember a few years ago Mike inferred that any forthcoming releases of these scores would not include source music because at that time JW wasn’t as open to including it. Worth the wait! I’m also curious to hear if Inferno’s mix still has all the strings together in the left channel. SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,470 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Personal story: the Main Titles of The Towering Inferno is my dad's favorite John Williams theme. That's because this is the first movie he watched by himself on the theaters when he was a kid, and Williams' music left a great mark on it. Arpy and Amer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Skip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aescalle 122 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Great new!!! I really love the "Poseidon" and "Earthquake" cover album, but I really don't like the "Towering inferno" one. Very cheap illustration image for this great movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,551 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 hour ago, crumbs said: Probably the worst spotting in JW's career is this moment going unscored. What was he thinking? That blood splatter needed a xylophone hit or two! If you read the original LP notes, you'll know that there was a conscious decision not to have music playing over the earthquake sequences. IMO, this was a wise decision for two reasons: 1/ it allowed the sequences to "breathe", and to create their own impact, and 2/ it's unlikely that any music would be heard over the Sensurround effects. @TownerFan, are there any samples? SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 13 minutes ago, aescalle said: Great new!!! I really love the "Poseidon" and "Earthquake" cover album, but I really don't like the "Towering inferno" one. Very cheap illustration image for this great movie. Well it’s way better than the FSM cover IMO. Yavar aescalle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aescalle 122 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 35 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: Well it’s way better than the FSM cover IMO. Yavar HAHAHA true! ;-) Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Cool! And, ouch, my wallet! 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 41 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: If you read the original LP notes, you'll know that there was a conscious decision not to have music playing over the earthquake sequences. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Jay said: Guys this is the real deal. It is utterly amazing how much better Mike was able to get The Towering Inferno to sound compared to the FSM CD. The years of improvements in both technology and his own experience really have created a final album I never would have thought possible. It's quite remarkable. You'll notice as soon as the samples go up. Nice to know about this. Curious to know how MM worked with the damaged tracks from the bonus section of the FSM release. And what about Poseidon? Did he gave any details in advance as to how they sound compared to the 2010 LLL release? 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,518 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Marian Schedenig said: Is has been on the FSM Poseidon Adventure. (I haven't heard the later release) I have no issues with the FSM, sound or otherwise. Then again, I don't like the score very much; it's meandering for the most part. So I very rarely play it in the first place. The film is very good, though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted November 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: Or perhaps it's their way of making sure the less appealing scores in the set pay for themselves. If they released all 3 individually and one of them sold considerably less than the others, it might be a financial loss, and the decision could have been either release only two of them or bundle all three together. The set exists the way it does because JW asked to present it this way, otherwise it would have been three separate releases. You'll hear more in the podcast I recorded with Mike and Tim Burden, hopefully in a couple of weeks. Stay tuned! MikeH, Marian Schedenig, SteveMc and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 A couple of weeks? crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Bespin and Yavar Moradi 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MikeH 768 Posted November 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2019 Who’s gonna tell ‘em? Bespin, Will, Timo Martikainen and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,518 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 So it's STILL fetching those prices? I've contemplated selling it a few times since I got the FSM back in '98 (just to make a few quick bucks), but I didn't, thankfully. It's a great score, and the FSM will be the one and only soundtrack album of this that I will own untill the day I die. Even if it's worth $1 by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Just now, Thor said: So it's STILL fetching those places? I've contemplated selling it a few times since I got the FSM back in '98 (just to make a few quick bucks), but I didn't, thankfully. It's a great score, and the FSM will be the one and only soundtrack album of this that I will own untill the day I die. Even it's worth $1 by then. But Thor! The FSM was a clunky expanded presentation with poor sound quality (and some cues presented *damaged*, even!) — and it was done without Williams’s approval, which I know you care a lot about! This set on the other hand will have much better sound, is approved by Williams and done the way he wanted it done, and it includes the CD premiere of his abbreviated *original album program* — I thought that these (and improved sound quality) were what you lived for! Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeH 768 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Sonic improvements will be so welcome for these, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,518 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 The 'original album program' thing is tempting, yes, Yavar. I never owned the LP. But presumably, I could re-arrange the FSM into something more or less similar if I wanted to (I've never tried). As I've said before, I don't have any issues with the sound on any of these original CDs, even if these new releases are the Second Coming of ultimate HiFi remastering. The approval thing is of no significance. But even if the TOWERING INFERO was the original album program, and only that, and perfectly remastered, I still wouldn't buy this set just for that. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeH 768 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, Thor said: So it's STILL fetching those prices? I've contemplated selling it a few times since I got the FSM back in '98 (just to make a few quick bucks), but I didn't, thankfully. It's a great score, and the FSM will be the one and only soundtrack album of this that I will own untill the day I die. Even if it's worth $1 by then. The only time I’ve ever paid over $100 for a single score was for this back around 2007. I sold it in 2015 because I was sure an expansion/reissue would be coming down the pipeline soon. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,518 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Just now, MikeH said: The only time I’ve ever paid over $100 for a single score was for this back around 2007. I sold it in 2015 because I was sure an expansion/reissue would be coming down the pipeline soon. Smart! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Fuck. I am displeased in the need to double dip for another copy of The Poseidon Adventure just to get the other two. Might have to pirate this one. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeH 768 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 The Rescue Of Angela And The Blocked Door+ hopefully contains the small bit of underscoring missing from the FSM where Robert Vaughn and Bill Holden look around for an alternate exit. Some nice moody low strings and mysterioso flute from 70’s JW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Jay said: Guys this is the real deal. It is utterly amazing how much better Mike was able to get The Towering Inferno to sound compared to the FSM CD. The years of improvements in both technology and his own experience really have created a final album I never would have thought possible. It's quite remarkable. You'll notice as soon as the samples go up. Is the sq improvement similar to LLL's Superman? If so can't wait to get this. Now I can retire my FSM Towering Inferno. Just hope my box doesn't get f'ed up en route like my Potter box did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 I own none of these three in any form, so this'll probably be an easy buy for me. I'll take a listen to the samples first to be sure. Bellosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,419 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, Datameister said: I own none of these three in any form, so this'll probably be an easy buy for me. I'll take a listen to the samples first to be sure. Same. Love to be able to knock off all 3 at once, to add to the collection. Oliver Stone Collection definitely seems like it will happen if they are doing 'Disaster' box sets. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,394 Posted November 29, 2019 Author Share Posted November 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: @TownerFan, are there any samples? December 3, 12pm PST I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Wojo 2,453 Posted November 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Bellosh said: 'Disaster' box sets. They left out Indiana Jones 4. Yavar Moradi, Remco, Cerebral Cortex and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bellosh 3,419 Posted November 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2019 Just now, woj said: They left out Indiana Jones 4. Wojo, Bespin, A. A. Ron and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,470 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 That is a real disaster of a movie indeed. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bespin 8,484 Posted November 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2019 Talking about disaster movies, they missed a chance to include Hook in the box! Yavar Moradi, Chewy, Bilbo and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,083 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 And Stepmom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 hour ago, JTWfan77 said: Is the sq improvement similar to LLL's Superman? If so can't wait to get this. I wouldn't say it's comparable to that because of soooo many different factors. Superman already sounded good in the Rhino and FSM, but then it was still remarkable just how much better the LLL came out, proving that going back to perfectly vaulted first gen elements from that era can yield results dramatically different than all the nth generation analog dubs used before. The final result sounds as good as any great recording from any era. The Towering Inferno never sounded good, the FSM is kinda cruddy sounding with a lot of damaged material and entire cues omitted either because they weren't found or were heavily damaged. The LLL sounds amazingly better, but it's not like original 1st gen elements were perfectly vaulted and recently uncovered in pristine condition or anything. And the orchestra, room, and recording were all quite different from Superman anyway, so it's not like even under ideal conditions it was capable of sounding like that. It's a much better comparison to make to Jaws, which was similarly damaged and non ideal elements, yet still sounds so different from the 2000 Decca to the 2015 Intrada. This isn't the kind of hugely drastic change as that (which is probably the biggest sonic upgrade I can think of ever happening to any score, I don't think it will ever be bested), but it is a quite remarkable upgrade! Yavar Moradi and 1977 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 The Jaws 2015 is especially remarkable because, because of the 2008 fire, it reportedly uses the exact same digital scan that was used for the Decca, I think. Is that the same case with Inferno or does it come from a better element? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 7 hours ago, Holko said: The Jaws 2015bis especially remarkable because, because of the 2008 fire, it reportedly uses the exact same digital scan that was used for the Decca, I think. The Universal fire had nothing to do with that at all. Universal Music and Universal the film studio are unrelated companies with their own independent and separate archives. The fire destroyed the LP re-recording's original master, which is why it couldn't be rebuilt from scratch, or even remastered in any way, and they had to use a 1992 CD master that was found elsewhere instead. The original film recordings were not vaulted as well as other scores from the era, and when they were pulled in 2000 to make the new audio mix for the film itself, some cues were even permanently damaged. They did the best they could with the technology available at the time for the film's new mix and the 2000 Decca CD. The new transfer made of those elements for the 2015 Intrada CD would still have all the same gaps from the damage, but the slew of new and upgraded technology available to be used to work ON those transfers, Mike's expertise with them, and his idea to mix them in a different way resulted in such a drastic sound difference from the 2000 CD its remarkable. Two CD releases sourced from the same tapes, and wildly different end results! Quote Is that the same case with Inferno or does it come from a better element? Not for me to say, but I'm sure Maurizio's interview will shed a lot of light on it! Yavar Moradi and Holko 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Awesome! 😅 Although, I gotta say, I was more excited about Minority Report, A.I., Saving Private Ryan, Jurassic Park Collection, and Harry Potter Collection! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 34 minutes ago, Jay said: Superman already sounded good on the Rhino I beg to differ. The FSM was a huge step up from the Rhino. The LLL was another noticeable step up, but not nearly as much of one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,207 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 49 minutes ago, Jay said: Superman already sounded good in the Rhino and FSM [...] The final result sounds as good as any great recording from any era. Nah. It's the best it'll ever sound, and mostly it sounds fine on the new release, but it's still in a decidedly different league from CE3K. But that's perhaps just due to recording itself not being a great recording, rather than its preservation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,083 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 52 minutes ago, A. A. Ron said: I beg to differ. The FSM was a huge step up from the Rhino. The LLL was another noticeable step up, but not nearly as much of one. The Rhino had quite variable sound quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Jay said: The original film recordings were improperly vaulted, and when they were pulled in 2000 to make the new audio mix for the film itself, were falling apart and some cues were permanently damaged. The digital transfer made then is basically now the earliest element to go back to because those tapes are essentially useless. The fact that Mike made the 2015 Intrada program from those same 2000 digital transfers that resulted in the 2000 Decca CD is astonishing and shows just how much different the person involved in remastering, and what technology they have access to and are proficient in, can make. I could swear I read somewhere that they made a new digital transfer of the tapes for the Intrada release instead of using the raw transfers made in 2000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 3 hours ago, Jay said: A couple of weeks? hopefully sooner! Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 6 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: No, it's from a movie. Sharknado? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,083 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 17 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Sharknado? No, you muppet. Sharknado 2! Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obiwan71 26 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 6 hours ago, Jay said: Guys this is the real deal. It is utterly amazing how much better Mike was able to get The Towering Inferno to sound compared to the FSM CD. The years of improvements in both technology and his own experience really have created a final album I never would have thought possible. It's quite remarkable. You'll notice as soon as the samples go up. How not to get over excited reading those words of yours! Can't wait listening to those samples. To tell the truth, I have mixed feelings regarding this major release. I couldn't be happier to see The Towering Inferno getting a (splendid) re-issue at last. Needless to say I've been waiting for that for so long (like so many of us around here). Yet there's the heavy price I'll have to pay to (finally) get my hands on that classic score. I own previous releases for The Poseidon Adventure and Earthquake, which I've been quite happy with until now. I'll have to get this pricey, yet gorgeous set anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 9 hours ago, Bespin said: Is that mean that the 1974 album was a re-recording? I wouldn't exactly call that mean. 5 hours ago, Thor said: The 'original album program' thing is tempting, yes, Yavar. I never owned the LP. But presumably, I could re-arrange the FSM into something more or less similar if I wanted to (I've never tried). As I've said before, I don't have any issues with the sound on any of these original CDs, even if these new releases are the Second Coming of ultimate HiFi remastering. The approval thing is of no significance. But even if the TOWERING INFERO was the original album program, and only that, and perfectly remastered, I still wouldn't buy this set just for that. When you sell your old CDs immediately, you may even get the sound upgrade AND earn a few bucks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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