TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 28 minutes ago, Jay said: I'm in the theater now, waiting for the show to start! It's 10:26, the showtime is 10:40, and there's only 7 other people here. It's opening night! Is this movie going to bomb? I definitely think it is going to disappoint at the BO. I would wager it makes less money than even TLJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 He he he... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew 590 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Star Wars has the worst fandom at times. They boycott movies because they didn't like one of them. Imagine people boycotting Avengers because one of the MCU movies was a bit left-field. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Star Trek Is Better Than Everything! _deleted_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Star Trek Is Better Than Everything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Lucas didn't build this franchise to usher in a new era for cinema. You think he wants to go to the stars? He doesn't even like to fly! He takes trains! #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 So when does Star Trek: Picard start? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oswin Pond 58 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Anyone else noticed Return to Tatooine new variation from Attack of the Clones when Poe talks with his ex on Kijimi ? Johnny Baby and Molly Weasley 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,900 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 There were several variations of prequel cues I noticed in the film. "Return to Tatooine" and "Interior Tipoca City" were definitely used as temp material, and copied quite closely. The beginning of "Birth of the Twins", which was used twice in the film, I can confirm is the exact recording from ROTS. It was not a re-recording. It was surprising hearing prequel music in this film, and I enjoyed it, even though it was tracked. There was at least one cue ("Darth Vader's Death") used as well when Rey enters the throne room. Not reused material, but I liked that unreleased DOTF-sounding choral piece when Rey decides to "join" Palpatine. EDIT: I can't recall where, but a small section of "Anakin vs. Obi-Wan" was also used towards the beginning of the film, and it was definitely a new recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,844 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Just got back from the film. The score is featured VERY prominently in the mix and is especially effective in the 3rd act. Parts in the FYC and OST that seem a little rough end up working really well in the film. Honestly, there were moments in the 3rd act where I thought "this music is perfect for this!" The movie itself was fun, mostly satisfying, pretty choppy in pace, more than a little ridiculous in many parts, and ultimately a good, if super sappy end to the sequel trilogy. Beyond what is in the OST, there is a variation on some Return to Tatooine music from AOTC and a reprise of TPM conversation/Finn's Confession music AND some kick ass Luke's Theme/Star Wars theme music that was wonderful to hear during the film. The score is powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 so some tracked music we don't care about There probably won't be an isolated score because of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2019 The movie is hot trash. But the score works beautifully and is the best thing about it. My biggest gripe - seriously JJ couldn't time the cut for the procession of the resistance aircraft to the crescendo of Farewell. 4:20 should have co-incided with a cut. That's editing 101. It would make the music much more memorable in the mind of the public. Currently, you have the close-up of Poe and suddenly the music crescendos on his face without a cut. Piss poor from JJ. Not letting of JW's best moments shine properly. DolceMecha, Johnny Baby and Will 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 was it the music that was badly edited or the film? Other question :Is there unreleased variations of the Rise of Skywalker themes (trio theme and Farewell)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, King Mark said: was it the music that was badly edited or the film? The film. The scene for this cue is basically a montage of resistance ships flying en masse and some locations celebrating etc. I think they could have cut the scene to the music which would have made the music more powerful and memorable for the GA. Film is a visual medium - and if the scene is cut to the music - not only the scene but the music shines too. That is why the finale music of ET is so memorable. It is so timed to the cuts (or vice versa) that just listening to it you can piece together the entire sequence in your head. This is a masterpiece cue and JJ did not take full advantage of it. It would have helped JW and even his own film. Ricard, Will and Edmilson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 ah, I get it. but at least the music itself is loud and not mangled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 I dunno, the score started out being quite upfront, but after a while i found myself noticing it less. In the middle of the film it had less presence that in TFA. At least in the cinema i saw it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lairdo 727 Posted December 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2019 My wife and I saw the 5 pm fan showing. (We got a pin!) We both liked it a lot. I agree with many of the comments above but still liked it. We are seeing it again Sunday with my sister and her family. Dark side notes: Felt the opening third was choppy (a good word from previous comments). I wanted a more traditional longer sequence/scene to grab me Music felt too low in our theater for the first half. (see light side below) Tracked music jumped out at me, but I did not mind it - I just was surprised at the choice to edit in something that could have been recorded again so the sound matched. But I suspect this was a late change. Agreed the editing of battle and JW's music could have been better. As usual, lots of misdirection from JJ in the trailer that had different or opposite impacts in the final film The shot of Wedge felt shoehorned in. Light side notes: The second half of the music mix was great (editing not withstanding). It worked really well, and even the previous film themes felt generally right to me - particularly Yoda & The Force. Sound effects and mix were super enjoyable particularly the past Jedi stuff and around the Emperor. Satisfying ending for the sequel trilogy in terms of story and score. I was very happy with the playing of the choir and musicians. Sounds great on the big screen. Bonus I saw that JW had a screen credit as Oma Tres, and now that I know he is seen on Kijimi, I realize I spotted him and had a moment of - wait, who is that? But only after seeing the credits did I realize he was in there. How much do I want an action figure of Oma Tres? Bonus x2 When do we get the JW action figure!!!!? Overall, I am very happy with the score and movie. Both have flaws, but not in the same ways or in as bad ways as TLJ or AotC. (Although I like the music for both.) _deleted_, DolceMecha, igger6 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,844 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 I would so buy an Oma Tres toy. Regarding the sound mix, I saw the movie in an IMAX theater so that may have helped the presence of the score. The only parts where the score wasn't loud in the mix were with certain moments of sound effects takeover and where the music was intentionally dialed out, such as the speeder chase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 minute ago, artguy360 said: I would so buy an Oma Tres toy. Regarding the sound mix, I saw the movie in an IMAX theater so that may have helped the presence of the score. The only parts where the score wasn't loud in the mix were with certain moments of sound effects takeover and where the music was intentionally dialed out, such as the speeder chase. I agree with this. I think the score is for there for you to hear throughout if you want. Only during some chase scenes did the sound effects overpower it but I would say for the most part i was pleased with the mix. The score makes its presence felt for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oswin Pond 58 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Manakin Skywalker said: There were several variations of prequel cues I noticed in the film. "Return to Tatooine" and "Interior Tipoca City" were definitely used as temp material, and copied quite closely. The beginning of "Birth of the Twins", which was used twice in the film, I can confirm is the exact recording from ROTS. It was not a re-recording. It was surprising hearing prequel music in this film, and I enjoyed it, even though it was tracked. There was at least one cue ("Darth Vader's Death") used as well when Rey enters the throne room. Not reused material, but I liked that unreleased DOTF-sounding choral piece when Rey decides to "join" Palpatine. EDIT: I can't recall where, but a small section of "Anakin vs. Obi-Wan" was also used towards the beginning of the film, and it was definitely a new recording. I've noted them as well except for Interior Tipoca City, where does it plays ? I've also noted the exact Emperor's theme from the scene where he transports Vader into the "armor" chamber Edit : Just realised it's Birth of the Twins haha. I don't know why I always associated it with the last track instead of A New Hope. I'm pretty sure I heard A New Hope somewhere though. Might have been dreaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacksonElmore 69 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 The Speeder Chase isn't in the film, an alternate cue is used. The Anthem of evil is used only in underscore. Title track theme is used very well though, and brings proper emotions to already powerful scenes. The score is good, idk how i feel about how its used though. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,715 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 4 hours ago, Jay said: I'm in the theater now, waiting for the show to start! It's 10:26, the showtime is 10:40, and there's only 7 other people here. It's opening night! Is this movie going to bomb? I also saw it opening night, at 9, the room wasn’t even half full! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post artguy360 1,844 Posted December 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2019 Another observation: I LOVE how Kylo Ren's theme is used in this film. crumbs, Tydirium, Smaug The Iron and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 hour ago, JacksonElmore said: The Speeder Chase isn't in the film, an alternate cue is used. The Anthem of evil is used only in underscore. Title track theme is used very well though, and brings proper emotions to already powerful scenes. The score is good, idk how i feel about how its used though. The Speeder Chase cue isn't in the film? What the fuck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tydirium 1,167 Posted December 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2019 Saw the film tonight. The score was incredible in context, as expected. However, I was surprised by just how much music we're apparently missing! It seems like many of what I might even consider "the best parts" didn't end up on either the OST or the FYC. Really too bad. I never felt like I was missing all that much material when watching TFA or TLJ, but with this one it feels like we only got about half the score that is actually used in the film. Also, I think we can now safely say that the "Rise of Skywalker" theme (maybe we should go back to calling it the farewell theme, seeing as how little it seemed to actually be used in the score?) and the trio theme are two distinct thematic identities. 19 minutes ago, Arpy said: The Speeder Chase cue isn't in the film? What the fuck? Bits and pieces are of the cue are in it, but the actual catchy tune we all love is only very briefly heard once, as far as I could hear... Too bad. crumbs, Molly Weasley, Jost1 and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 hour ago, rough cut said: I also saw it opening night, at 9, the room wasn’t even half full! I guess people just want a wait for the video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 22 minutes ago, Tydirium said: However, I was surprised by just how much music we're apparently missing! It seems like many of what I might even consider "the best parts" didn't end up on either the OST or the FYC. Really too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 I saw the film, is it just me or is like 50% of it tracked music from past episodes? crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,358 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Had a very difficult time hearing the score at my showing of the film. Quite disappointed it didn't seem to be represented more in the mix, but might have just been my theater's sound system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jost1 105 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 15 minutes ago, Cerebral Cortex said: Had a very difficult time hearing the score at my showing of the film. Quite disappointed it didn't seem to be represented more in the mix, but might have just been my theater's sound system. It must have been, the score was very loud where I saw it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 I couldn't hear much of the action music. Quiet scenes were fine. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 The film is so dense that there aren't a lot of setpieces where the score can breathe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 I like the score. It is somewhat different from previous two. It feels more like a fantasy music with all these operatic grand gestures than more streamlined and contained TFA and TLJ. The emotions are broader and that's encapsulated in the new themes too. It's grandly melodramatic which actually feels fitting. I like how he manages to come up with fresh variations on the old themes as well. There might be few too many statements of Force theme in the film and there are some literal nods to music from past films. But most of it, especially the Reunion, works quite well. I'm not sure how I feel yet about the listening experience as presented on album but I do enjoy all the music on it. We need an expanded set. Karol Mattris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, crocodile said: We need an expanded set. Straight away? Or a few years from now? You're already done digesting 77 minutes of new music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Just now, Stefancos said: Straight away? Or a few years from now? You're already done digesting 77 minutes of new music? Oh not now. Don't be silly. Next week! Karol A. A. Ron and Manakin Skywalker 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 5 hours ago, artguy360 said: Another observation: I LOVE how Kylo Ren's theme is used in this film. I agree and yet it feels like a lot of that usage and development isn't on the OST. Thankfully some of it is on the FYC. I'm now glad we got the FYC so early because some of my most memorable cues from the film are on the FYC but not the OST. They both needed a lot more of Rey's theme though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owjow77 15 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Has anyone listened to the OST and FYC enough to know which tracks form the FYC are not on the OST? Also can anyone put both albums into chronological order yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_deleted_ 203 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 The Rise of Skywalker is a transformative experience. Trapped in the latest culture war, Rey and Ben never received any real character development. But Williams has been telling a story of love through his themes since The Force Awakens. Both Rey and Ben’s themes quote Across the Stars. They start out as the antithesis of one another. But in The Rise of Skywalker or Star Wars: Episode IX – Beauty and the Beast, Rey and Ben’s themes sound so tired by the end of the film, that you begin to really understand and appreciate how the themes mirror and compliment each other, how they love each other. For those who are hesitant about The Rise of Skywalker, watch the film and experience a beautiful musical narrative of love. On the surface, the film is cheesy, but the music tells a worthy love story on its own. I never understood people’s obsession for Reylo, but after seeing the film twice, I understand why some fans may see the sequel trilogy as a Starwarsian retelling of La Belle et la Bête. Jacck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crocodile 8,027 Posted December 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2019 Have you guys noticed the beginning of both Emperor's theme and Rey's theme is very similar? Karol Jacck, Alan and DolceMecha 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,423 Posted December 20, 2019 Author Share Posted December 20, 2019 16 minutes ago, starwarsfan421 said: Has anyone listened to the OST and FYC enough to know which tracks form the FYC are not on the OST? Also can anyone put both albums into chronological order yet? Check out the main post of this thread here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_deleted_ 203 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 8 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: The movie is hot trash. But the score works beautifully and is the best thing about it. My biggest gripe - seriously JJ couldn't time the cut for the procession of the resistance aircraft to the crescendo of Farewell. 4:20 should have co-incided with a cut. That's editing 101. It would make the music much more memorable in the mind of the public. Currently, you have the close-up of Poe and suddenly the music crescendos on his face without a cut. Piss poor from JJ. Not letting of JW's best moments shine properly. This is where people would feel JJ didn’t do enough. This film feels rushed, like his first Star Trek. Will and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan 689 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 15 minutes ago, crocodile said: Have you guys noticed the beginning of both Emperor's theme and Rey's theme is very similar? Karol Yes I always thought that and wondered if there was a reason for it. Anthem of Evil seemed even more clearly related to Rey when I first heard it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Its a very common musical phrase Williams uses. Cinque's theme from Amistad opens with it too. _deleted_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owjow77 15 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 18 minutes ago, crocodile said: Have you guys noticed the beginning of both Emperor's theme and Rey's theme is very similar? Karol I noticed this when watching the film, after the revelation. It very evident in the first few notes in the main section of Rey's Theme. This makes me wonder if certain story elements planned or discussed with Williams early on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_deleted_ 203 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Alan said: Yes I always thought that and wondered if there was a reason for it. Anthem of Evil seemed even more clearly related to Rey when I first heard it. fitting for a character who salvages parts from Star Destroyers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Falstaft 2,132 Posted December 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2019 Sorry if this has been posted already -- I'm just catching up with the discussion of this score. Here's what I make of the 3.5 new leitmotifs I heard after a first viewing. I'll be updating my catalogue with additional discoveries of course, so this is a bit of a first draft... 1) Anthem of Evil 2) Kylo Ren/Knights of Ren new theme 3a) Rise of Skywalker Opening Section (Hymn) 3b) Rise of Skywalker Middle/Trio Section (Cantilena) Overall, I thought the score was at its highest quality when it was based on this new material and developments of themes from the PT. Honestly rather disappointed in the missed musical opportunities though, and the clumsy needle-drops of so much preexisting SW music. Cerebral Cortex, Smaug The Iron, Fabulin and 8 others 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, starwarsfan421 said: I noticed this when watching the film, after the revelation. It very evident in the first few notes in the main section of Rey's Theme. This makes me wonder if certain story elements planned or discussed with Williams early on. Judging by the film the clearly weren't. Williams could have cleverly reverse engineered it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_deleted_ 203 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Anthem of Evil Holdo’s Resolve Cinque’s Theme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,423 Posted December 20, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2019 OK. I saw the film in the theater last night. And holy motherforking shirtballs, THIS SCORE IS INCREDIBLE. I cannot recall another experience quite like this one, where I went to the theater and saw a movie, and was just in awe of how good the score was the whole way through like this. What was most amazing was that even after listening to the 95 or so minutes of score we have between the FYC and OST a lot before seeing the film and becoming very familiar with it, EVERY SINGLE ADDITIONAL, UNRELEASED CUE I HEARD IN THE FILM WAS SOMETHING I WANTED TO HEAR AGAIN OUTSIDE THE FILM! Every cue he chose not to put on the FYC or OST had SOMETHING special in it that made it worth having. I just sat there being blown away as cue after cue was a great unreleased highlight. I don't understand the reports from people saying eh, most of the highlights were on the FYC or OST, or eh, there's only 30 minutes of more music and most of it was older themes anyway, or whatever. No way! I mean, of course a lot of the cues do feature old themes, but many of those old themes are completely new variations of them! I heard an ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC rendition of The Emperor's Theme unlike any I had heard before (it was a quiet rendition, on woodwinds IIRC), a great new version of Luke's theme, some great new Force Theme variations, and TONS, I mean just TONS of great new Rey's Theme variations. JW clearly is in love with Rey, and she is basically the main character of this film, and JW pretty much scores all her scenes with some new version of her theme, and I feel like we only got maybe half of these renditions between the FYC and OST. He does so much more with that theme in the full score. The other thing apparent from watching the film, is that it is very clear from watching that the film was scripted and shot as a longer experience, and then edited down within an inch of its life for the final cut. It's quite clear sometimes when entire scenes are missing (some of which we have the cues for on the OST album), and it's also clear in other times that the scenes he kept in where whittled down and down and down after the original cue for them had been recorded. This score is instantly my #1 most requested session leak / complete score release from all the John Williams scores that haven't been expanded yet. Not only is there just a bunch of great music you can hear in the final film that hasn't been released yet, based on everything we can hear right now it seems clear to me that the full sessions for this score would have the most amount of interesting music we've never heard. I can't remember the last time I was THIS into a new John Williams score this much, nor the last time I got 95 minutes of a score and still wanted more very very much. It's clear that JW was very inspired while writing this score, either by an earlier longer cut that made a lot more sense, or just something inside him that wanted to make this score really special. It's amazing to think that an 87 year old man who could have retired 25 years ago with a career more noteworthy than most composers can dream of achieving is still crafting masterpieces like this. Bravo, maestro! DarthDementous, Ricard, Joe Brausam and 17 others 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Romão 2,274 Posted December 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2019 This is from another forum, but might help shed some light on what was shot, edited and maybe eventually scored and cut from the movie: Since I was following spoilers during the production and after, maybe that sheds some light on what was going on: they filmed parts where it's revealed that Lando had a daughter who was stolen by FO. That daughter was Jannah. That part is removed from the final cut. They filmed several versions of the ending, basically the same Lars/Tatoine thing with Rey Skywalker line, yellow saber, Luke&Leia sabers funeral, and Luke&Leia FGs, but with some minor tweaks. One version, that was originally leaked, had Rey join Finn, Poe, Jannah, Chewie, 3PO, R2, BB8 and D0 to watch the binary sunset. I don't know whether JJ&LFL realized that was terrible (likely) or Internet uproar, over the presence of characters who had fuck to do with Luke and Tatooine, forced their hand (unlikely), but about a week before the premiere, someone who saw the movie leaked that the ending was just Rey with BB8. That version turned out to be true and may be the reason why some cast members are salty in interviews and why cast gave that weird (though staged) response to the question about the last scene. Actors are sensitive to getting their lines/scenes cut and they all want to be in big moments. But the version that was mockingly called "group selfie with twin suns" always felt like a placeholder or JJ's attempt to fan service the cast that wanted to be seen on the iconic set. Wayfinbder (pyramid) that Kylo finds in a tomb/chest/whatever was originally given him by the Oracle, a strange alien who was a spider attached to the head of a giant elf baby residing in the swamp. They made the oracle prop (seen in one of BTS) and supposedly filmed the scene but then cut it out. In the original leak, Kylo's pitfall was the last of him creating Reddit meme "never to be seen again". Most fans figured that couldn't have been his end so what follows in the movie is likely something they filmed really hush hush (so it didn't leak) rather than reshoot change (Driver wasn't even available at the time do to festival circle). Finn and Rose were a couple (including Rose's jealousy of Jannah) but that was removed. They wanted to have a running gag of Finn trying to tell Rey something but getting consistently interrupted. Nothing leaked about what the payoff was, what he wanted to say. They removed it except that one line during quicksand scene so that feels like a leftover they frogot about rather than something they wanted in the movie. Early leaks had Matt Smith as a young acolyte willingly possessed by Palpatine. Kylo kills him but Palaptine possess him so Kylo asks Rey to kill him for palaptine couldn't possess Rey. She obliges thus destroying Palp. It seems that there's something to Matt S,ith rumor for a costume department worker was fired over leaking description of Smith in black hooded robes with a red saber. Also, a lot of different sources, including VF's Lev Grossman have heard Smith was indeed in the movie. The forging of Kylo's saber was longer and had KoR perform almost dance-like ritual. That full scene was the part of 4 min show reel for crew that JJ personally cut. It seems that, at one point, Force Flash Fight (Rey and Kylo fighting from different locations) extended to planets from all 9 movies. They were fighting by teleporting themselves from iconic planet to iconic planet. That was abandoned. Young Luke and Leia training was originally meant to open the movie followed by Rey's training. It was Leia's flashback rather than Luke's. Balahkay, Jay, Edmilson and 4 others 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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