Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 I'll be fine with one theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 No, there must be multiple McGuffin themes just like the original trilogy! Brando and Fabulin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fabulin 3,513 Posted June 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2021 crumbs, Martinland, eitam and 7 others 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 53 minutes ago, crumbs said: JW has said time and time again that he hates reading scripts in advance of seeing the film proper. He does make exceptions, though. Williams read the script to the original Star Wars in advance, for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted June 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2021 Well I guess we can all be thankful he didn't read any of the Prequel scripts in advance. Chen G., Martinland, Edmilson and 6 others 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 I'm sure George said they were good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WampaRat 1,105 Posted June 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2021 It think its pretty cool that Mangold has been so interactive with fans during this process. It’s a nice way to help drum up some anticipation and excitement for this film that I feel the general public might not be anticipating or excited for 😉 I can’t imagine Spielberg or Lucas (who aren’t on social media at all-probably for good reasons) tossing so many little bones to fans so frequently. I’m starting to believe something really great will happen with this film. It won’t ever top the original three. But it will be a great send off for my favorite cinematic hero. And that’s all I wanted. Cerebral Cortex, Brando, crumbs and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,316 Posted June 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2021 I was cautiously optimistic but after watching Ford v Ferrari, I have a really good feeling about this one. There's no way it'll be a Crystal Skull-esque misfire, that I'm certain of. Keeping David Koepp far, far away from the screenplay was reason enough for optimism (and also Kaminski from the camera, tbh). Yavar Moradi, Cerebral Cortex and Holko 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,658 Posted June 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2021 Idle speculation, but my take: if Williams read the script it is to get a head start on the main themes. And he needs a head start so that he can also score the Spielberg movie. crumbs, Brando, Cerebral Cortex and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 I think it might also be related to the fact that Spielberg isn't directing it and Johnny wanted to have an idea of the film before deciding to commit to it or not. WampaRat and Fabulin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,316 Posted June 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2021 11 minutes ago, Muad'Dib said: I think it might also be related to the fact that Spielberg isn't directing it and Johnny wanted to have an idea of the film before deciding to commit to it or not. I agree this is most likely explanation, but it's nice to imagine he wanted a head-start writing sketches for the film's McGuffin or other artifacts. Hopefully the script inspired him to get back in the "mode" of writing Indy scores. Muad'Dib, Brando and WampaRat 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WampaRat 1,105 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 20 minutes ago, crumbs said: Hopefully the script inspired him to get back in the "mode" of writing Indy scores. I hope the mode isn’t “Every action cue should sound like ‘Basket Games’” Don’t know if that was Spielberg’s request on Indy 4. But save for Jungle chase (and I suppose Warehouse escape) a lot of the action material seemed a tad too light and a little too breezy to have any dire stakes. Andy and Brando 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 And interestingly, the far more aggressive and dramatic version of the Jungle Chase was revised into something lighter in the final cut, presumably at Spielberg's direction. I know what you mean though. The action music in that film is a bit too "cute," for lack of a better term. I think if the new film is a bit more grounded and less stylised, Williams will respond accordingly. WampaRat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted June 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2021 Well the movie was too light and too breezy without any real stakes. Some of the jungle chase was very cartoonish, with the cactus plants hitting Shia Ledouche in the dick and then him being inspired by monkeys to do rope swinging. I still like that scene a lot though. It is well done and the music is good too. Especially love the action variants of Irina's theme. I specially like the crescendo when we see her hanging from the ropes. That's good scoring! Taikomochi, Muad'Dib and Andy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,456 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 The "Shia as Tarzan" scene of Indy 4 was absolutely horrendous, specially with those terrible CGI monkeys. But yeah, the jungle chase is the best action scene in that movie... and it doesn't hold a candle to the other chase scenes in the previous three movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted June 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2021 I love the jungle chase musically. BrotherSound, Muad'Dib and Taikomochi 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,419 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 A Whirl Through Academe is the highlight of that score for me action cue wise. Muad'Dib and BrotherSound 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Luke Skywalker said: I love the jungle chase musically. Agreed! 43 minutes ago, Bellosh said: A Whirl Through Academe is the highlight of that score for me action cue wise. Yes! Bellosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,363 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 I’m looking forward to Indy 5 as much as the next guy, but I’m going to miss the Spielberg touches. The way he moves the camera to reveal things, the trademark light & fog, and all the other tricks he uses to make a movie fun to watch. Even KOTCS had a ton of those kinds of moments. Edit: this comment belongs in a different thread. Carry on, nothing to see here. Bellosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,287 Posted June 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 15, 2021 My favorite shot in Crystal Skull It'd be easy to visualize perfectly fine and basic movie coverage that started with a stylish close up of the knife-flipping, cut to an over the shoulder showing Indy talking to the locals, cut to an angle showing Mutt glancing over, cut back to Indy as he walks up, and yet even Spielberg on autopilot sees it in one. You just can't teach that shit. Bayesian, Taikomochi, Bellosh and 9 others 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WampaRat 1,105 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 He is truly a master. I’m sure he’ll lend some terrific insight/inspiration to Mangold here and there. I can’t imagine Mangold having so much ego on this as to not recognize a great idea for a shot or gag if Steven points one out to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,316 Posted June 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 15, 2021 Trevorrow said on Jurassic World that Spielberg was constantly emailing him sketches, storyboards and ideas for new shots during production, so there's no reason to think the Spielberg touch will be totally absent here. That gradual reveal of the I-Rex behind the Gyrosphere is very Spielbergian, for example. Besides, Mangold is a talented visualist in his own right. They appear to be going to great lengths to shoot things practically and in-camera for this, encouragingly Edmilson, WampaRat and Yavar Moradi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 I can't imagine how the action in this movie will be good or even borderline believeable with 70+ year old Ford taking punches from Nazis or whoever the bad guys are this time. But I sure hope the action scenes lead to some awesome action music from the even older JW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,658 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 9 hours ago, artguy360 said: I can't imagine how the action in this movie will be good or even borderline believeable with 70+ year old Ford taking punches from Nazis or whoever the bad guys are this time. But I sure hope the action scenes lead to some awesome action music from the even older JW! It will be believable because Williams will take an Andante approach to the action scenes. artguy360 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,316 Posted June 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 15, 2021 I get the feeling WIlliams will be asked to do some heavy lifting to make this film really sing, and he will smash it out of the park. Yavar Moradi, Bayesian and BrotherSound 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,658 Posted June 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, crumbs said: I get the feeling WIlliams will be asked to do some heavy lifting to make this film really sing, and he will smash it out of the park. Mangold seems genuinely thrilled to have Williams on board--that bodes well. My main hope is for a near-final edit for Williams to score. crumbs, Yavar Moradi, BrotherSound and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 32 minutes ago, Tom said: Mangold seems genuinely thrilled to have Williams on board--that bodes well. My main hope is for a near-final edit for Williams to score. I wouldn't be surprised if he scored Indy this year, then did the Spielberg film early next year, then did pickups for Indy next May/June. But I trust Mangold is a far less revisionist director than JJ Abrams was. He seems a helluva lot more like Rian Johnson. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 2 hours ago, crumbs said: I wouldn't be surprised if he scored Indy this year, then did the Spielberg film early next year, then did pickups for Indy next May/June. Hmm, the principal photography for each of the Star Wars sequels was at least six months, which would mean (assuming a similar schedule) Indy 5 won’t wrap until December or later. JW started working on TFA and TROS shortly after principal photography wrapped: November 2014 and March 2019 respectively. TLJ wrapped much earlier than the others (July 2016), so there was a gap before he started on that score, in late 2016. So, I think there’s a pretty good chance he’ll start on Indy 5 this year, but the bulk of it is likely to be composed next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,482 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 What do we know about this James Mangold? Do his past movies had great scores? I saw he worked with Marco Beltrami... Will his collaboration with John Williams will be fructuous? Is he the kind of director who give "space" to his composer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,658 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 18 minutes ago, BrotherSound said: Hmm, the principal photography for each of the Star Wars sequels was at least six months, which would mean (assuming a similar schedule) Indy 5 won’t wrap until December or later. JW started working on TFA and TROS shortly after principal photography wrapped: November 2014 and March 2019 respectively. TLJ wrapped much earlier than the others (July 2016), so there was a gap before he started on that score, in late 2016. So, I think there’s a pretty good chance he’ll start on Indy 5 this year, but the bulk of it is likely to be composed next year. It depends on the shooting schedule. I would not use SW as the reference. My guess is Indy is a couple months shorter. BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 12 minutes ago, Tom said: It depends on the shooting schedule. I would not use SW as the reference. My guess is Indy is a couple months shorter. I guess Kingdom of the Crystal Skull would be a better reference point: it also began shooting in June, and wrapped in mid-October. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Jones_and_the_Kingdom_of_the_Crystal_Skull#Filming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, BrotherSound said: I guess Kingdom of the Crystal Skull would be a better reference point: it also began shooting in June, and wrapped in mid-October. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Jones_and_the_Kingdom_of_the_Crystal_Skull#Filming Mangold is an efficient shooter. He managed to do Logan in just over 3 months and Ford v Ferrari in just over 2. Even allowing for 5 months of shooting (which seems long for an Indiana Jones film, although COVID delays have to be considered), I'd be surprised if they weren't finished by October. I'd be very concerned if they were still shooting in December. I'll just be glad if he's writing before the end of the year! BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Yeah, I think the Wolverine movies are the best reference. Logan shot from May to August, The Wolverine from July to November. So hopefully Williams be able to start on it this year. 1 hour ago, Bespin said: What do we know about this James Mangold? Do his past movies had great scores? I saw he worked with Marco Beltrami... Will his collaboration with John Williams will be fructuous? He has chosen other fine composers in the past including Howard Shore, Mychael Danna, Alan Silvestri, and John Powell, but I am not all that familiar with those scores. He's definitely not known for making particularly music-driven films, Johnny Cash aside. An adventure movie with a big splashy score is basically new territory for him so we'll see how much room there is in the film for music to shine. It'll sound like Indiana Jones, regardless. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,364 Posted June 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 15, 2021 Rian Johnson never made a film with a big splashy orchestral score before Last Jedi, and we still got a great Williams score Any director hired for Indy 5 would be doing so with the understanding the general feel of the score is already determined beforehand Remco, crlbrg, MikeH and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 The kind of director who would want to fuck with the musical approach on Indiana Jones is probably not somebody who would ever pursue the job, anyway, and hardly somebody who'd get hired by Disney and Kathleen Kennedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Edmilson 7,456 Posted June 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 15, 2021 These directors (Abrams, Johnson, Mangold) either accept to collaborate with John Williams or they lose the job. It's what WB should've done with Yates in Harry Potter. Remco, Cerebral Cortex, Once and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: The kind of director who would want to fuck with the musical approach on Indiana Jones is probably not somebody who would ever pursue the job, anyway, and hardly somebody who'd get hired by Disney and Kathleen Kennedy. Right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,482 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 I suggest a new strategy, R2. LET THE COMPOSER WIN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 3 hours ago, Edmilson said: These directors (Abrams, Johnson, Mangold) either accept to collaborate with John Williams or they lose the job. It's what WB should've done with Yates in Harry Potter. Possibly they might have if he had stuck around. I know Yates still had to audition Hooper who got the job based on a demo of "The Ministry of Magic." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alex 2,835 Posted June 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2021 14 hours ago, mrbellamy said: Possibly they might have if he had stuck around. I know Yates still had to audition Hooper who got the job based on a demo of "The Ministry of Magic." You mean he even auditioned and he still got the job? Jesus Christ this has ruined my day. Taikomochi, Holko, Yavar Moradi and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted June 16, 2021 Author Share Posted June 16, 2021 15 hours ago, mrbellamy said: Possibly they might have if he had stuck around. I know Yates still had to audition Hooper who got the job based on a demo of "The Ministry of Magic." Every "newcomer" has to go through an audition process when it comes to big studio films, even when there is an ongoing relationship between composer and director. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothless 963 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 JNH also had to come up with an extensive demo to be hired for the FB franchise, If I recall correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew 590 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 22 hours ago, mrbellamy said: Possibly they might have if he had stuck around. I know Yates still had to audition Hooper who got the job based on a demo of "The Ministry of Magic." What?? That's not even one of the best cues. For the most part, just a 4-note ostinato. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 On 6/15/2021 at 12:22 PM, Bespin said: What do we know about this James Mangold? Do his past movies had great scores? I saw he worked with Marco Beltrami... Will his collaboration with John Williams will be fructuous? Is he the kind of director who give "space" to his composer? Spielberg will oversee the scoring. John Williams will score the aged Indy just fine.. I heard the title is Indiana Jones and the Empire of Evil which sent Mangold into spasms. Indiana Jones once said its the years not the milage. its definitely both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 On 6/15/2021 at 2:01 PM, Jay said: Rian Johnson never made a film with a big splashy orchestral score before Last Jedi, and we still got a great Williams score. And with a great sound mix that allowed that score to shine within the film! I almost wonder if such a sound mix was almost born out of the score being the new exciting element to his film soundscape, and, as such, wasn't really given the opportunity to be treated as agnostically as just another usual track that blended in with the others that he had to deal with in mixing. I'll be very intrigued to see how Mangold handles the score, as I feel that in the larger score moments in his films you are usually able to make it out quite well. Throughout all of this scene from Ford v Ferrari, for example, you have what are very loud race cars zipping around but all those noises play softer than you would be accustomed to hear in a film of this nature so that the music can still quite discernably be made out: Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Here's a teaser for both the new Indy 5 film and its score, with Harrison Ford digitally de-aged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WampaRat 1,105 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 So glad Williams decided to ditch that boring “traditional” orchestra. This is much better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 On 6/16/2021 at 5:34 PM, Cerebral Cortex said: I'll be very intrigued to see how Mangold handles the score, as I feel that in the larger score moments in his films you are usually able to make it out quite well. Throughout all of this scene from Ford v Ferrari, for example, you have what are very loud race cars zipping around but all those noises play softer than you would be accustomed to hear in a film of this nature so that the music can still quite discernably be made out: Here's another good example of the score standing out amidst action and gunshots and such in a Mangold film: Yavar Cerebral Cortex, Brando and WampaRat 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WampaRat 1,105 Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 Very good example. One of the rare examples where the music is almost mixed louder than the SFX ( at listening watching on my phone). Im looking forward to this Indy film. 😀 Yavar Moradi and Brando 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 I cannot wait to hear how Williams says goodbye to Indiana Jones. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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