Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Disney Records Original Soundtrack Album) - NO FILM SPOILERS!

[Marian Schedenig 8,200]

16 hours ago, JWisgreatestlivingcomposer said:

But the issue here is that Disney DID announce release of a CD, but DID NOT give any indication: a) it's Disney-exclusive (i.e., don't bother with Amazon) b) it's a very limited release that will be depleted before the release date of August 9!

 

They do owe it to customers to honor their listing of the CD by making it available to more than a few people (unless they had said, as specialty soundtrack sites do, "Limited Edition of 3,000 copies," or something like that).

 

I'm a CD collector, I buy everything that's available on physical digital media (CD, Blu-ray, etc) physically, and if it's not very clear that a digital-only release is going to stay digital only, I usually hold out hoping for a CD release (I still don't have the Solo expansion for that reason, for example). I'm also not a fan (to put it mildly) of Disney's business practices.

 

But I have to point out that *any* physical release, of any medium, is naturally limited. That's why you get things like "first pressings" and "first editions", and why unexpectedly popular books may sell out their first editions quickly and then become unavailable until another edition is printed. Whether or not that happens depends on whether the company making the things in question deems it worthwhile (financially, or if we're lucky artistically) to produce another batch. And how big each batch is also depends entirely on the producer and what their projections for the most likely sales scenarios are.

 

So for all we know, Disney's initial batch of pressings may have been perfectly reasonably sized, and actual demand turned out higher than expected. If it's high enough, they'll produce more. Or maybe they've got multiple batches in the pipeline anyway, but production resources (which are also naturally limited) don't allow them to press enough copies right away to fulfil all orders. In this case, more stock later on is even more likely.

 

Bottom line: Everything (physical) is limited, and we don't have to like it. But it always is, regardless of whether it's labelled as a limited edition or not. (Typically, an "officially" limited edition is limited either because of licencing restrictions, or to artificially increase demand by maximising exclusivity - or sometimes it seems it's just a label to make people *think* a product is more exclusive, without specifically limiting anything at all).

[JWisgreatestlivingcomposer 43]

6 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said:

 

I'm a CD collector, I buy everything that's available on physical digital media (CD, Blu-ray, etc) physically, and if it's not very clear that a digital-only release is going to stay digital only, I usually hold out hoping for a CD release (I still don't have the Solo expansion for that reason, for example). I'm also not a fan (to put it mildly) of Disney's business practices.

 

But I have to point out that *any* physical release, of any medium, is naturally limited. That's why you get things like "first pressings" and "first editions", and why unexpectedly popular books may sell out their first editions quickly and then become unavailable until another edition is printed. Whether or not that happens depends on whether the company making the things in question deems it worthwhile (financially, or if we're lucky artistically) to produce another batch. And how big each batch is also depends entirely on the producer and what their projections for the most likely sales scenarios are.

 

So for all we know, Disney's initial batch of pressings may have been perfectly reasonably sized, and actual demand turned out higher than expected. If it's high enough, they'll produce more. Or maybe they've got multiple batches in the pipeline anyway, but production resources (which are also naturally limited) don't allow them to press enough copies right away to fulfil all orders. In this case, more stock later on is even more likely.

 

Bottom line: Everything (physical) is limited, and we don't have to like it. But it always is, regardless of whether it's labelled as a limited edition or not. (Typically, an "officially" limited edition is limited either because of licencing restrictions, or to artificially increase demand by maximising exclusivity - or sometimes it seems it's just a label to make people *think* a product is more exclusive, without specifically limiting anything at all).

These are great points!

Thank you for the clarification!

 

If they did, indeed, press a "normal" number of CDs, and demand was just so high that they quickly sold out, that would put into the question the assertion made on this forum several times that interest in physical CDs of soundtracks is extremely low, etc.--at least in this case.

Apparently, a CD release of (what is likely) John Williams' final complete score--and for a popular series like Indiana Jones, no less, not a low-key drama--is something that will be of interest to music lovers who might not otherwise have an interest in buying a CD...

 

I do hope Disney restocks on this CD to give everyone a chance to buy one!

[GlastoEls 563]

Damn those work meetings preventing me from looking at JWFan in time!

[JWisgreatestlivingcomposer 43]

8 minutes ago, GlastoEls said:

Damn those work meetings preventing me from looking at JWFan in time!

I suggest bookmarking the link I posted above for the CD. Check it at least once daily, if possible, in the morning. It is likely to show up again as "in stock" at some point, though it may again be of a significantly limited quantity.

 

By now, Disney surely sees that there is quite an interest in buying this CD.

[Marian Schedenig 8,200]

29 minutes ago, JWisgreatestlivingcomposer said:

If they did, indeed, press a "normal" number of CDs, and demand was just so high that they quickly sold out, that would put into the question the assertion made on this forum several times that interest in physical CDs of soundtracks is extremely low, etc.--at least in this case.

 

I'm afraid a "normal" number of CDs for a John Williams film score in this day and age is probably quite low. Especially if it's going to be sold exclusively via Disney's US shop (which I do criticise).

[Richard Penna 3,694]

If the expected appetite for an expanded score is a couple of thousand units, then a normal release such as this could've been prepped with a similar number and simply had a few thousand more people wanting it. That's still absolutely nothing compared to the number of people who will stream it with a more casual interest. Go back a few decades and soundtracks were selling hundreds of thousands of copies.

[BrotherSound 2,242]

It just occurred to me while listening to The Airport that this nervous opening string ostinato seems to be derived from the first four notes of Helena’s theme. @Falstaft @Ludwig Do you agree?

 

 

[BB-8 3,479]

3 hours ago, Jay said:

I haven't received a shipping email yet (I ordered it on June 24th)

Yeah, it states "in progress" for the CD on the order form.

[Brónach 1,302]

that was my first thought

[BB-8 3,479]

 

It seems it was generally easier to get tickets for Vienna, Berlin and Milan simply because everyone knew they were limited. With this CD, nobody was really expecting such a sharp cut-off.

[Jurassic Shark 12,079]

Won't it get a general release in August?

[Jay 37,369]

This is no evidence that will be the case, no.

[TolkienSS 407]

Well, ordered it just in case it may get valuable.

[Datameister 2,044]

It sucks to know that even if I do get a chance to buy the CD now, I won't. With no guarantee of it ever coming back in stock, I purchased on Qobuz. I really like the album, and I wanted it on CD, but not enough to justify the cost of buying the same music all over again.

[Ludwig 1,120]

1 hour ago, BrotherSound said:

It just occurred to me while listening to The Airport that this nervous opening string ostinato seems to be derived from the first four notes of Helena’s theme. @Falstaft @Ludwig Do you agree?

 

Yes, nice catch! It is of course transformed here, but I think what he's doing is setting it into an octatonic scale because it's an action scene. What really blows me away is that the whole first phrase of Helena's theme set in octatonic is the basis of the first 15 seconds of the cue until it reaches that big landing on C, where it leaves the scale. (That G-flat at the start is one note that deviates from the scale - a common enough occurrence in Williams.) Anyway, it really connects the action music directly to Helena but in a subtle way. Brilliantly done, IMHO.

 

[Toillion 215]

8 hours ago, TolkienSS said:

Well, ordered it just in case it may get valuable.

Are you a flipper? 

[GlastoEls 563]

Another day of periodically refreshing begins! 🤣

[BB-8 3,479]

On 15/07/2023 at 10:05 AM, Amer said:

Here are some cd scans I picked off ebay.

 

 

 

Still wondering whether this is the official artwork as the same Spanish organization is also selling the below 4 CD set on ebay (again stating that "This is not a CD pressed, this soundtrack was only released for digital download"). And the Disney lady on social media was showing a CD without image (plain ocher-brown).

 

 

Indiana Jones And The Last Crusade Complete Score 4CD John Williams | eBay

 

 

2 hours ago, GlastoEls said:

Another day of periodically refreshing begins! 🤣

Reminds me of The Berlin Concert ticket sale where tickets kept popping up almost on a daily basis after it had initially "sold out".

[Pawel P. 738]

2 hours ago, BB-8 said:

 

Still wondering whether this is the official artwork as the same Spanish organization is also selling the below 4 CD set on ebay (again stating that "This is not a CD pressed, this soundtrack was only released for digital download"). And the Disney lady on social media was showing a CD without image (plain ocher-brown).

 

Again, it's not the official artwork. The real one you can see here: 

 

 

[Tydirium 1,167]

That’s funny, her copy of the soundtrack plays a faster version of Raiders March. 
 

Seriously though, when you think about it, it’s strange that the point of that video is to show off the product… Yet the most important part of the product, the reason you’re buying it to begin with—the music—isn’t even taken from the album.

[thx99 1,740]

Shazam says it's the version from the Crystal Skull OST

[Jay 37,369]

It's possible that the makers of the video were instructed to use the Raiders March as the audio, didn't realize it was included inside the penultimate OST track, so just grabbed the KOCS version

[Tom Guernsey 2,286]

Just had my shopping notification! Just have to wait for the tortoise to walk it to the east coast of America then a guy in a rowing boat to get it across the Atlantic. Then another to cross the English Channel… at least I assume that’s why it takes so long for post to get to Guernsey. 

[Faleel 5,356]

Got my shipping email as well!

[Jay 37,369]

Got my shipping notice 6 minutes ago

[Dr. Know 326]

Got mine too.

[GlastoEls 563]

Still nothing on a restock!

[BB-8 3,479]

33 minutes ago, Dr. Know said:

Got mine too.

 

Were these CD only orders?

[Juanki 23]

Ok guys, Disney Music answered me and they says the cd is SOLD OUT.

 

 

I am sorry but this is a BUMMER. I can't believe we, John Williams and Film Music fans, have to go through this labyrinth to get the latest film score of this important saga and the most respectful film composer alive (and probably his latest score).

 

I am really done with Film Music, this is awful and shows disrepectful for the customer. Can't stand this anymore.

[JWisgreatestlivingcomposer 43]

12 minutes ago, Juanki said:

Ok guys, Disney Music answered me and they says the cd is SOLD OUT.

 

 

I am sorry but this is a BUMMER. I can't believe we, John Williams and Film Music fans, have to go through this labyrinth to get the latest film score of this important saga and the most respectful film composer alive (and probably his latest score).

 

I am really done with Film Music, this is awful and shows disrepectful for the customer. Can't stand this anymore.

But Mission Impossible fans still get 2-CD sets with hours of noisy "music" by LB... Those are still in stock at LLL...

Even Barnes & Noble sells THAT stuff:

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/mission-impossible-dead-reckoning-pt-1-lorne-balfe/40225030?ean=0826924162729

[Sandor 797]

Anyone ordered 2 copies and willing to sell one....? Sigh..... 

[Jurassic Shark 12,079]

Guys, it's on Spotify.

[Juanki 23]

Just now, Jurassic Shark said:

Guys, it's on Spotify.

Come on, we are people who buy Saving Private Ryan from LA LA LAND RECORDS because features 2 new tracks.

 

But even with that... this is INDIANA JONES. This is what film music is about!

 

Here is hoping they make a reissue.

[JWisgreatestlivingcomposer 43]

2 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

Guys, it's on Spotify.

But we're talking about CDs! The ones you put on your shelf, along with the rest of the John Williams or Indiana Jones collection...

[Holko 9,529]

These bastards have infinite money and want infinite money but cheap out on this... AND they can't even be fucked to inform their customers that it's limited.

[BB-8 3,479]

3 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

Guys, it's on Spotify.

And if you play "Helena's Theme" 1000+ times you may be lucky and win a Jürgen Voller mug and a printed signature postcard of ASM.

[Tydirium 1,167]

10 minutes ago, Juanki said:

Come on, we are people who buy Saving Private Ryan from LA LA LAND RECORDS because features 2 new tracks.

 

But even with that... this is INDIANA JONES. This is what film music is about!

 

Here is hoping they make a reissue.

To be fair, though, this album doesn’t feature any new tracks.

 

But yeah, this is still ridiculous. There was absolutely no indication that this would be a limited run. If there was, I would have bought it (maybe even a couple copies, to sell one if it becomes a collector’s item!). This is a pretty shameful way to treat what could very well be JW’s final score.

[Bespin 8,483]

23 minutes ago, Juanki said:

Ok guys, Disney Music answered me and they says the cd is SOLD OUT.

 

WHaaaat?

 

I own all the OSTs of John Williams (well, almost all of them), and I want this one.

 

Why, as a fan of JW and as a respected (well, it depends on the day!) member of JWFAN, do I have to go through this?

 

I don't understand the world I live in.

[Sandor 797]

13 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

Guys, it's on Spotify.

 

You don't understand me....

 

[BB-8 3,479]

Perhaps we should celebrate the renaissance of the vinyl OST?

 

It almost feels like 1978.

[JWisgreatestlivingcomposer 43]

Just now, BB-8 said:

Perhaps we should celebrate the renaissance of the vinyl OST?

 

It almost feels like 1978.

Too pricey and inferior sound compared to CD (when you have a good sound system to play the CD).

[GlastoEls 563]

Ugh.

[Jurassic Shark 12,079]

5 minutes ago, Sandor said:

 

You don't understand me....

 

 

Ooh, you've got the limited edition full size collectible Sandor item!

[Edmilson 7,466]

Maybe this was intentional because Disney will release in the coming months The Complete INDIANA JONES Saga, a 15-CD box featuring every single second of music ever recorded by John Williams for the 5 movies plus the complete scores for Young Indy and the videogames, all curated by Matessino himself. 

 

One can dream, right?

[Marian Schedenig 8,200]

31 minutes ago, Juanki said:

 

Two thoughts on this…

 

First, I wouldn't *completely* rule out some miscommunication there. Wouldn't be the first time that an intern misunderstands a question, then miscommunicates it to his higher ups, gets a wrong answer and then incorrectly repeats that to the customer. If it is just a temporary lack of stock between production runs and that reply is wrong, I wouldn't be particularly surprised. I definitely wouldn't hold my breath for more, though.

 

But assuming that this is really it, I wonder how many copies they produced? I can't imagine the Emporium having a huge number of customers among the general public who order soundtrack CDs in their online shop. And those like us who collect soundtracks (and maybe even live outside the US) probably order from Intrada, LLL, & Co more frequently - and we all know the low numbers of their limited releases, and how long they often take to sell out. Bottom line, I can't really imagine this having sold more than several hundred copies so far?

[Jurassic Shark 12,079]

7 minutes ago, Edmilson said:

Maybe this was intentional because Disney will release in the coming months The Complete INDIANA JONES Saga, a 15-CD box featuring every single second of music ever recorded by John Williams for the 5 movies plus the complete scores for Young Indy and the videogames, all curated by Matessino himself. 

 

And the shawm cue.

 

6 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said:

First, I wouldn't *completely* rule out some miscommunication there. Wouldn't be the first time that an intern misunderstands a question

 

He probably thinks the conversation is about John Williams the guitarist.

[Brónach 1,302]

20 minutes ago, Edmilson said:

Maybe this was intentional because Disney will release in the coming months The Complete INDIANA JONES Saga, a 15-CD box featuring every single second of music ever recorded by John Williams for the 5 movies plus the complete scores for Young Indy and the videogames, all curated by Matessino himself. 

 

One can dream, right?

 

what, it's missing the extra concert pieces or concert piece revisions made later?

[Jay 37,369]

2 hours ago, BB-8 said:

 

Were these CD only orders?

 

Yes, I only ordered 1 copy of the CD.  I have no reason to ever buy any vinyl record.

 

 

1 hour ago, Juanki said:

Ok guys, Disney Music answered me and they says the cd is SOLD OUT.

 

Thanks for finding that tweet!  It is good to finally have a definitive answer on this.

 

 

1 hour ago, Juanki said:

I am sorry but this is a BUMMER. I can't believe we, John Williams and Film Music fans, have to go through this labyrinth to get the latest film score of this important saga and the most respectful film composer alive (and probably his latest score).

 

But the his latest film score has been available on every platform the majority of humans on earth use to listen to music in 2023 since before the film came out.  It is only the edition sold on plastic discs that is limited.

 

1 hour ago, Juanki said:

I am really done with Film Music

 

I don't believe you.

 

1 hour ago, Juanki said:

, this is awful and shows disrepectful for the customer.

 

It's frankly surprising they even issued this on the CD format at all.  A limited edition on CD is better than no CD edition at all!

 

The biggest mistake was not making it clear that it was only sold through their site AND a limited edition.  I assumed that to be the case, but clearly many people here and elsewhere thought it'd be available at other stores in August.

[filmmusic 1,836]

I can't believe this is sold out!!!

The last probably ost of Williams, and was a limited run?

Well, I have a good reason then to hate Disney (besides other matters).

See now the scalpers how much will they be selling their cds at ebay!

[GlastoEls 563]

7 minutes ago, Jay said:

The biggest mistake was not making it clear that it was only sold through their site AND a limited edition.  I assumed that to be the case, but clearly many people here and elsewhere thought it'd be available on other stores in August.

This is the annoyance!