Popular Post sulix 22 Posted June 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2023 The Anne-Sophie Mutter version of Helena's theme is up: Muad'Dib, Gabriel Bezerra, Pawel P. and 18 others 6 9 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,038 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 ON APPLE MUSIC AND SPOTIFY ALSO. LETS GOOOO!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Oh wow! With a totally alternate cover too! It uses the OST cover on the Disney Music Licensing website though... Maybe this will be a digital single and won't be included on the OST? That allows an extra 5 minutes for film cues. Alternate theory: this new cover is for a Deluxe/digital expanded version of the score, hence being different to the OST Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1_freeze 131 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Beautiful Violin version, really really looking forward to the OST and film now BB-8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Mark 3,631 Posted June 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2023 3 hours ago, crumbs said: Alternate theory: this new cover is for a Deluxe/digital expanded version of the score, hence being different to the OST keep dreaming Brando, Tydirium, Obi and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,478 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Love the Schmalz! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 I haven't understood, the violin version of Helena's theme will be in the ost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 907 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 16 minutes ago, filmmusic said: I haven't understood, the violin version of Helena's theme will be in the ost? I think we're all guessing until a track list is announced. I think it's more likely now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,286 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Also on 7Digital... My bet is that it'll either appear twice, the original and the ASM version, or there will be a special edition that includes it as a bonus (but that's the only bonus). https://uk.7digital.com/artist/john-williams-anne-sophie-mutter/release/helenas-theme-for-violin-and-orchestra-from-indiana-jones-and-the-dial-of-destinyscore-30771677 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 and no wallpapers? Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,370 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 For me at the moment it is not even clear, if there is going to be a CD release of the OST. Williams last CD soundtrack release, The Fabelmann's, was announced and even available in catalogues for ordering weeks before release. For DoD I heard nothing so far. Or was there any official communication about an album on CD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Yes there was, look in one of the 1969 DoD threads. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,370 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Ah yes. I see, I just should have scrolled up a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 53 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: For me at the moment it is not even clear, if there is going to be a CD release of the OST. Williams last CD soundtrack release, The Fabelmann's, was announced and even available in catalogues for ordering weeks before release. For DoD I heard nothing so far. Or was there any official communication about an album on CD? On 15/06/2023 at 12:14 AM, Toillion said: The album can be preordered on vinyl for the steep price of $46 + shipping. https://www.disneymusicemporium.com/product/XVLP226/john-williams-indiana-jones-and-the-dial-of-destiny-2lp-set On 15/06/2023 at 12:16 AM, DangerMotif said: CD link. looks like a normal 1 cd album https://www.disneymusicemporium.com/product/XVCD60/john-williams-indiana-jones-and-the-dial-of-destiny?cp=null On 15/06/2023 at 12:23 AM, crumbs said: OST cover: Vinyl cover: GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 So I guess Anne-Sophie Mutter is planning another album! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Here's a 1600x1600 version of the cover and links to the single on various streaming/download sites https://us.7digital.com/artist/john-williams-anne-sophie-mutter/release/helenas-theme-for-violin-and-orchestra-from-indiana-jones-and-the-dial-of-destinyscore-30771677 https://tidal.com/browse/album/300880474 https://soundcloud.com/johnwilliams-official/helenas-theme-for-violin-and https://music.apple.com/us/album/helenas-theme-for-violin-and-orchestra-from-indiana/1693502042 https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mdJAi0hsphxUB4pvGSC5PdAhr-vIrlUhw https://open.spotify.com/album/7Ih2wTUIAlgjxgLeVnWhFp?si=bkwBVF4RR8WYhwD_3O_W2w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mstrox 6,651 Posted June 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2023 Listened a few times and pretty slick. Can’t wait to hear the real version, though. I’m about over all this ASM business. Bryant Burnette, Tydirium and Dr. Know 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, mstrox said: I’m about over all this ASM business. I hear you. If Williams hadn't written all those ASM arrangements, he could have written another whole film score in their place. Oh, well... Dr. Know 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,369 Posted June 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2023 I've listened to it twice now and it has not left much of an impression on me. Perhaps I need more coffee first. MaxTheHouseelf, Pieter Boelen, Bofur01 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, filmmusic said: I hear you. If Williams hadn't written all those ASM arrangements, he could have written another whole film score in their place. Oh, well... My personal interest isn’t so much in the composer’s productivity. I’m just bored of stuff focusing on one soloist with one instrument and all of the quirks and flourishes it calls for. It’s a me thing - I’m happy that at like a thousand years old, Williams is finding inspiration in anything to write new music and rearrange old music, but I’m ready to listen to something different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 OK. I don't know if it is the performance or the recording, but I prefer the version they performed at Carnegie Hall 4 days after this version was recorded, by a lot MaxTheHouseelf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,466 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Whenever I hear Helena's Theme, I keep being reminded of Anakin's theme, but even slower and with more schmaltz. Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,661 Posted June 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2023 The main theme in the original version is hard enough to detect. The ASM version dilutes it to the point of being just about an atmospheric piece. Edmilson, Pieter Boelen, Gabriel Bezerra and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,419 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 love 3:25-3:35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Know 326 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Courtney Sees Ghosts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,317 Posted June 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Bellosh said: love 3:25-3:35 My favorite part as well, the horns are absolutely glorious. Magnificent recording from Murphy, Sony sounds fantastic and the reverb is perfect. Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Holko and Muad'Dib 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Oh thanks, that reminded me to check the youtube description: Producer: John Williams Producer: Bernhard Güttler Studio Personnel, Recording Engineer, Mixer: Shawn Murphy Studio Personnel, Editor: Ramiro Belgardt Studio Personnel, Engineer: Fred Vogler Studio Personnel, Editor: Robert Wolff Studio Personnel, Editor: David Channing Studio Personnel, Mastering Engineer: Patricia Sullivan Composer: John Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 This arrangement doesn´t do much for me. I very much prefer the orchestra version. Tydirium and MaxTheHouseelf 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,038 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, Alex said: I very much prefer the orchestra version. I guess the best chance that gets released now is in the end credits suite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Tom said: The main theme in the original version is hard enough to detect. The ASM version dilutes it to the point of being just about an atmospheric piece. A solo instrument is playing the main theme - how can you miss it?! Though sacrilegious thought incoming: The theme in the film proper didn't do much for me. I thought by contrast Irina's theme in KOTCS in the film proper was hugely impactful and of terrific value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 25 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: Though sacrilegious thought incoming: The theme in the film proper didn't do much for me. I thought by contrast Irina's theme in KOTCS in the film proper was hugely impactful and of terrific value. I felt the same way with Rey's Theme in TFA until it "clicked" with me and suddenly I realised it was all over the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,353 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Tom said: The main theme in the original version is hard enough to detect. The ASM version dilutes it to the point of being just about an atmospheric piece. Kind of like the Rocketeer love theme *ducks* Reminds me of Star Trek TV love music BTW @Tallguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 YES!!! This is so great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtney Sees Ghosts 269 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Love hearing Anne perform on the track. Though I really wanna hear the purely orchestral version on the soundtrack next week. My favorite part of the theme isn't in this one. RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,038 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 I feel like I prefer the San Francisco video to this version. Idk may just be me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 2 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: Irina's theme Irina's theme is a masterpiece for me. TheUlyssesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,038 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, filmmusic said: Irina's theme is a masterpiece for me. The real version(Hal Leonard) is filmmusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 well it's nice ,but I prefer the original orchestral arrangements to ALL Mutter violin arrangements. Solo violin can sound a bit grating to me and I can't take it in large doses filmmusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 So when this emerged via some live recording, it really didn't do anything for me. I didn't listen to it all since then, so I now have a chance to give it proper dues on an official recording. Opinion incoming.... .. and this piece confirms that I cannot stand ASM's violin playing, and I think it takes what should be a structured concert piece and turns it just into a workout for her, with sprinklings of Helena's 'theme' (I'm struggling a bit to call that more of a motif) throughout. The disappointing thing is that the early parts are promising, particularly when I hear bits that subtly have hints of Marion's theme. Then ASM just ruins it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,353 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: So when this emerged via some live recording, it really didn't do anything for me. I didn't listen to it all since then, so I now have a chance to give it proper dues on an official recording. Opinion incoming.... Spoiler alert: It still didn't Richard Penna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: .. and this piece confirms that I cannot stand ASM's violin playing, and I think it takes what should be a structured concert piece and turns it just into a workout for her, with sprinklings of Helena's 'theme' (I'm struggling a bit to call that more of a motif) throughout. it's almost like some of these pieces turned out to be good because JW wrote them despite the violin being in there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, Signals said: Spoiler alert: It still didn't Thanks for signaling this 11 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: So when this emerged via some live recording, it really didn't do anything for me. I didn't listen to it all since then, so I now have a chance to give it proper dues on an official recording. Opinion incoming.... .. and this piece confirms that I cannot stand ASM's violin playing, and I think it takes what should be a structured concert piece and turns it just into a workout for her, with sprinklings of Helena's 'theme' (I'm struggling a bit to call that more of a motif) throughout. The disappointing thing is that the early parts are promising, particularly when I hear bits that subtly have hints of Marion's theme. Then ASM just ruins it for me. So ... what is it exactly that you can't stand about her playing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 For me it's not her specifically, it's just too much violin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Yeah it's not ASM personally, I just don't like violin when used in that way. It's sort of doing its own thing instead of joining in with the orchestra to state the theme. But it veers towards what I've heard of JW's concert work, and I can't stand any of that either - just not my style of music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 I think most of the violin arrangements are incredible, but here it smothers the gorgeous orchestral writing. It’s actively distracting when I am trying to enjoy the stronger iterations of the melody. It doesn’t help that Williams seemingly removed the climax of the piece from the superior orchestral arrangement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 19 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: this piece confirms that I cannot stand ASM's violin playing 19 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: ASM just ruins it for me 5 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: Yeah it's not ASM personally ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 What's the best phone recording of the orchestral version at the moment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, Jilal said: ... And? Her performance ruins it for me, in the context of the instrument she's playing. There may be an element of how ASM specifically plays - I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Damien F said: What's the best phone recording of the orchestral version at the moment? This sounds pretty good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liQuxbV6gYI Damien F and Loert 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 35 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: Then ASM just ruins it for me. ASM ruins it, or Williams with what he has written? I don't think ASM does anything on her own... Unless, you mean with another violinist you would like the piece more... Bofur01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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