Damien F 1,742 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 2 hours ago, crumbs said: Also clears up any misconception about exactly what Williams contributed to the film; certainly not just a melody scribbled on some paper! The maestro never scribbles, he CREATES!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 ...but indeed on paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan 689 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 3 hours ago, Smeltington said: YAYYYYYYYYYYYY what an exciting time!! I really hope we hear this in London!!!!!!! This will be the first Star Wars score to have all the music JW wrote released on the OST. And only the second to be released in its entirety EVER (counting SW77)! Nah, they'll be a microedit right as it reaches the best bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 The theme's so short in duration that it almost qualifies as a microedit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted May 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 8, 2018 This all still feels a little too surreal. Will, DarthDementous and Disco Stu 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 It's pretty hot, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Sítrónu 494 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 6 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: I guess he conducted it via Skype. When I ordered Elfman's The Unknown Known from LLL it took more than 4 weeks to arrive here in Berlin. What an odd surprise when I read the credits and found out that the score was recorded in Berlin. Jurassic Shark and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 5 hours ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: Hmm. Yeah. Giacchino stuck three in on Rogue One (Jyn Erso And Hope, Imperial, Guardians of the Whills suites). Would be nice for a proper concert arrangement, especially with Powell reportedly having an additional five or something new themes and motifs. Technically he stuck in 5 concert arrangements in 3 suites as Jyn Erso and Hope suite highlights those 2 themes and Imperial suite highlights Krennick's theme and Empire theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,658 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 This will likely never be confirmed one way or the other, but I would guess that the person who initiated the "Williams do a theme for Han" thing was Larry Kasdan. It sounds like this was in many ways his movie (writing it with his son and the story of him being instrumental in the director change). If he asked for it, the Kennedy would have been onboard. I just cannot see Williams being the one who asked, but maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 I could see it being Kennedy's idea too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Mark 3,631 Posted May 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2018 we don't know the track's time yet, it could be 1 minute 30 seconds or what if it's actually the revised Han solo and the Princess? Ricard, Will, TheUlyssesian and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,658 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 1 hour ago, King Mark said: or what if it's actually the revised Han solo and the Princess? Then the climax of the piece would give insight into the nature of Han's adventures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arpy 4,145 Posted May 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2018 01. The Adventures of Han: 74 minutes Cerebral Cortex, Quppa, A. A. Ron and 8 others 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 894 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 11 hours ago, Obi said: Reminds me "The Adventures of Mutt". Actually, there's an in-universe precedent for that title... Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 15 minutes ago, igger6 said: Actually, there's an in-universe precedent for that title... Bryant Burnette and A. A. Ron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Jar Jar Binks Mutt Williams Han Solo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,109 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Good news indeed! Question is who conducted first Williams or Powell? TheUlyssesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, Amer said: Good news indeed! Question is who conducted first Williams or Powell? Our old pal, Bill Ross of course! Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Composed and conducted by JW? This is great news. I do hope the track is at least 3 mins long. That seems to be the standard minimum for a Star Wars theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,287 Posted May 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2018 "March of the Resistance" is around 2:36 and that piece doesn't feel like it needs to be any longer. I'll be disappointed if "Adventures of Han" is less than 2... But regardless, we'll have a whole score to hear this theme so as long as Powell gets some good mileage out of it, I won't be too fussed about how much we're getting from Williams himself. This is a John Powell score so I'm gonna look at this as Williams throwing out a pitch for Powell to hit a homer. Will, Tiburon, Cerebral Cortex and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 5 hours ago, mrbellamy said: Jar Jar Binks Mutt Williams Han Solo Yeah. Jar Jar is cool. The others... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 1 hour ago, mrbellamy said: "March of the Resistance" is around 2:36 and that piece doesn't feel like it needs to be any longer. I'll be disappointed if "Adventures of Han" is less than 2... But regardless, we'll have a whole score to hear this theme so as long as Powell gets some good mileage out of it, I won't be too fussed about how much we're getting from Williams himself. This is a John Powell score so I'm gonna look at this as Williams throwing out a pitch for Powell to hit a homer. The prologue from Hook is less than 2 minutes but still a perfect piece of music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoYoMama 48 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 I'm really quite excited to hear a new Star Wars score recorded with the LSO at Abbey Road studios. As much as I like the scores for the ST, the mix is so dry compared to previous incarnations. I think it had a lot to do with the room it was recorded in. Plus, something about the brass didn't seem to pop as much as should have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,689 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 4 hours ago, mrbellamy said: This is a John Powell score so I'm gonna look at this as Williams throwing out a pitch for Powell to hit a homer. Indeed. While it's great that we get a new JW concert piece, this is Powell's gig. Given that I have an issue with the sound quality in older scores (and the OT is a major offender), I'm rather looking forward to hearing some old themes and classic moments (such as Asteroid Field) with a newer recording and Powell's orchestration. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 3 hours ago, YoYoMama said: I'm really quite excited to hear a new Star Wars score recorded with the LSO at Abbey Road studios. The LSO didn't do the score for Solo. It was recorded at Abbey Road with London-based contracted players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 12 minutes ago, TownerFan said: The LSO didn't do the score for Solo. It was recorded at Abbey Road with London-based contracted players. So there'll be a percentage of LSO players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Kinda funny this movie/OST coming out the same month as LLL's Superman IV release. Two movies that have other composers adapt both an original Williams concert arrangement and pre-existing Williams themes from the franchise. crumbs and Smeltington 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 24 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Kinda funny this movie/OST coming out the same month as LLL's Superman IV release. Two movies that have other composers adapt both an original Williams concert arrangement and pre-existing Williams themes from the franchise. But did JW really do the arrangements of his new themes for Superman IV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted May 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2018 Wow everyone forgot about Tintin...he had his adventures too... Arpy, mrbellamy, Once and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpvee 805 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Any chance he’d include it in the Boston shows coming up? The second one is literally on Solo’s opening night (and if there’s any reason for me to miss the first showing of a Star Wars film, it’s John Williams! lol). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 26 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: But did JW really do the arrangements of his new themes for Superman IV? Well, even if Williams didn't do the full-length arrangements for those, it's still new themes in a franchise started by Williams provided for another composer to adapt. Are these the only two times that's happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, rpvee said: Any chance he’d include it in the Boston shows coming up? The second one is literally on Solo’s opening night (and if there’s any reason for me to miss the first showing of a Star Wars film, it’s John Williams! lol). Why don't you ask him? You seem to be buddies! Just now, Disco Stu said: Well, even if Williams didn't do the full-length arrangements for those, it's still new themes provided for another composer to adapt. Are these the only two times that's happened? Chamber of Secrets? rpvee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Just now, Jurassic Shark said: Chamber of Secrets? Gray area, as always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Disco Stu said: Gray area, as always. Well, JW only wrote the set of new themes and orchestrated them, didn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Jurassic Shark said: Well, JW only wrote the set of new themes and orchestrated them, didn't he? No, it's not like Solo and Superman IV at all. Williams wrote the vast majority of the underscore for Chamber himself. He didn't just hand off a couple of new melodies to Ross. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Disco Stu said: No, it's not like Solo and Superman IV at all. Williams wrote the vast majority of the underscore for Chamber himself. He didn't just hand off a couple of new melodies to Ross. Interesting. Do you have some reference on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 It's not some big secret. The only debate was just how much adaption was necessary by Ross, especially "podium changes" or last minute edit changes and such. There are approximately 2500 pages of debate on that very subject at http://www.jwfan.com Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Just now, Disco Stu said: It's not some big secret. The only debate was just how much adaption was necessary by Ross, especially "podium changes" or last minute edit changes and such. There are approximately 2500 pages of debate on that very subject at http://www.jwfan.com I've aware of what's stated on the cover, but that can be interpreted in a number of ways. I'm rather wondering if JW himself has commented on the specifics of Ross' contributions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: I've aware of what's stated on the cover, but that can be interpreted in a number of ways. I'm rather wondering if JW himself has commented on the specifics of Ross' contributions. Try reading this http://www.runmovies.eu/william-ross-on-adapting-harry-potter-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/ Ross basically says that Williams wrote all the new stuff, and any cues that are essentially just rearrangements of Philosopher's Stone cues were done by him. And Williams was actively still writing even when the score was being recorded Quote How much music is in the film?It may surprise you to know I’m not sure! In addition to the new material he wrote specifically for the film, he took several themes and expanded them into more developed pieces for the album. I was stunned by the amount of music he wrote. We were on the 12th day of a 13-day recording schedule and I received a package with new cues to record. That night I actually called John and told him I was sending the music police to confiscate his pencil. I think he just couldn’t stop writing. But besides all that, Williams would not have taken a "Composed by" credit in the film and on the OST if he hadn't, well, composed the score! Once, ocelot and Jurassic Shark 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 I didn't know that Ross had a stint as a composer for MacGyver! 17 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Try reading this http://www.runmovies.eu/william-ross-on-adapting-harry-potter-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/ Very informative interview. I especially like the clarity of the following paragraph: Quote Are there any moments in the score that you can identity as being predominantly John’s work, versus those that you can identify as being primarily yours? I’m not sure how to answer that question. I think some people get confused because they see the “Music Adapted by” credit. That was something that John insisted on from our first meeting. The reality however is that CHAMBER OF SECRETS is a John Williams score beginning to end. And this quote about some new artist is funny in retrospect: Quote Josh Groban (a new artist at Warner Records) is preparing to do a second album. I really enjoyed his first album and I’m looking forward to working on the next one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,364 Posted May 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2018 Ross didn't "write" anything for COS. Everything you hear in COS is either brand new by JW, or JW's HP1 material (or, let's be honest: AOTC material in some cases) adapted by Ross. Adapting in this case essentially means changing the tempo / trimming bars / seguing from one piece of one cue to another piece from another cue to conform to the exact HP2 picture edit instead of whatever the music originally fit to in HP1. It's a JW score all the way through. Ross was also the conductor, so would have been in charge of any podium changes, too, but that wouldn't include literally writing new music. It would be adapting things if the musicians couldn't play a difficult section properly, or if it wasn't sounding like they though it would on paper, etc. Ross played a large and important role in COS, but it isn't fair to say he wrote any of the score. Disco Stu, ocelot, Bilbo and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Yes, this has already been clarified by the informative interview Stu linked to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jay said: Ross didn't "write" anything for COS. Yeah, it's like a long-running in-joke to insinuate otherwise on JWFan, which probably just confuses newer members or lurkers who don't realize it's a joke. Bilbo, Will and Ricard 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Anyway, "William Ross" is just one of JW's many artist names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 5 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Yeah, it's like a long-running in-joke to insinuate otherwise on JWFan, which probably just confuses newer members or lurkers who don't realize it's a joke. Implying that Williams wrote all of the music for COS and not Ross is the real joke here. Taikomochi and Jurassic Shark 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Pretending that Williams and Ross isn't the same guy is the real joke! A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 43 minutes ago, Cerebral Cortex said: Implying that Williams wrote all of the music for COS and not Ross is the real joke here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,893 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 46 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Pretending that Williams and Ross isn't the same guy is the real joke! John William Ross. It all makes sense now! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Loert 2,511 Posted May 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2018 So how many music did William Ross actually contributed? Discuss. Will, Jurassic Shark and Ricard 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,658 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Back to Solo (which should be the ONLY topic discussed on this thread), the Powell thread mentions this piece is probably only around 2 minutes. I wonder if Williams will work up a longer piece for concerts/Hal Leonard. Btw, "only" means "one," as in "solo," so settle down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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