Brónach 1,302 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 On 02/07/2023 at 12:23 PM, Richard Penna said: I think that if the composer wishes, there should be two concurrent releases: an album arranged however they want, and a complete score containing everything recorded. No delays, no 'time to enjoy the experience' - the listener gets to decide when and if they want to hear more music. this makes sense to me if the album is an entirely different thing with album/concert music created from the score instead of cues from the score. so then we'd get best of both: the album with compositions not directly from the score, and a complete score with alternates which is a more technical thing for the stage. for this to happen, the stuff has to be good in the first place, and the composers to have chops and be allowed to do it. ThePenitentMan1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,770 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Yes, I sort of brushed off all of the 'real world' requirements for such a thing to happen. My point was more academic that if a composer had such a desire and there were no significant financial or logistical reasons against it, what the ideal release and timings could be. If JW were at all open to immediate expansions it would be the ideal solution, but obviously that will never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 i think there's a blend of disliking some of his own music with assuming that variations on something will be disliked as repetitive or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,236 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Brónach said: i think there's a blend of disliking some of his own music He prefers Hans' music. JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,038 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 Flyer day tomorrow 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brando 1,893 Posted July 31, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 31, 2023 Hoping (once more) for a reissue of The Lost World. A. A. Ron, JTN, Bellosh and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,038 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 🪝 JTN and Brando 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando 1,893 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, DangerMotif said: 🪝 Or that! Or both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,907 Posted July 31, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 31, 2023 Brando, Bellosh and Andy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando 1,893 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 16 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: You can't see a hook emoji?? You should've known since I reacted with heart eyes Manakin Skywalker and Andy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Richard Penna 3,770 Posted July 31, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 31, 2023 9 hours ago, Brando said: Hoping (once more) for a reissue of The Lost World. You misspelled JPIII Tom Guernsey, Manakin Skywalker, Trope and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,136 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 27 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: You misspelled JPIII Just Curious why the hype for a reissue of THE LOST WORLD? If it does get reissued its going to be the same presentation with maybe a slight change in the programing and mastering. Right? Or Am I missing anything in particular? The only ones to benefit are those who missed the previous box set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,236 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 What about inclusion of remastered OST? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,896 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 10 hours ago, DangerMotif said: Flyer day tomorrow 😀 I am confused because of the different timezones. you mean on August 1st? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando 1,893 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 38 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: You misspelled JPIII I'd like both 12 minutes ago, Amer said: Just Curious why the hype for a reissue of THE LOST WORLD? If it does get reissued its going to be the same presentation with maybe a slight change in the programing and mastering. Right? Or Am I missing anything in particular? The only ones to benefit are those who missed the previous box set. For 1, I missed out on the box set and while I have a digital copy of it, a standalone copy of it with maybe some additional material would be awesome, as well as an OST remaster if anyone wants that, and for the fact that the box set is OOP and would be a chance for people to buy it. Also for individual album art Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,516 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 1 hour ago, filmmusic said: I am confused because of the different timezones. you mean on August 1st? For something like 5 (?) years now LLL has dropped flyers for their month's titles on the first of the month, yes. filmmusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,038 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jay said: For something like 5 (?) years now LLL has dropped flyers for their month's titles on the first of the month, yes. Recently they’ve dropped the day before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 1977 1,743 Posted July 31, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: What about inclusion of remastered OST? What about dinorama packaging? (sorry I had to) Jurassic Shark, Andy and Brando 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,516 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 On 31/07/2023 at 9:05 AM, DangerMotif said: Recently they’ve dropped the day before There's only been three times total where the banner dropped before the first of the month. The rest have all been on the 1st of the month. On 01/09/2022 at 9:23 AM, Jay said: You can just scroll backwards through LLL's Facebook feed to see what time MV typically posts the banner 2023 July: 12:24pm EST June: 11:36am EST one day early (May 31) May: 1:37pm EST ten days early (April 21) January: 1:51pm EST 2022 November: 12:48pm EST four days early (October 28) October: 2:58pm EST September: 1:16pm EST August: 11:14am EST July: 11:44am EST June: 11:28am EST May: 10:42pm EST April: 6:37am EST March: 2:16am EST February: 11:17am EST January: 2:40pm EST 2021 November: 6:26pm EST October: 11:14am EST September: 1:12pm EST August: 12:19pm EST July: 1:18pm EST June: 3:18pm EST May: 11:51am EST Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,516 Posted July 31, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 31, 2023 3 hours ago, Amer said: Just Curious why the hype for a reissue of THE LOST WORLD? If it does get reissued its going to be the same presentation with maybe a slight change in the programing and mastering. Right? Or Am I missing anything in particular? The only ones to benefit are those who missed the previous box set. The 2016 box set was only in print for 18 months before selling out. There's bound to be plenty of fans of these scores who missed it, or didn't even learn it existed until after it was out of print. These scores are an essential part of Williams' filmography and deserve to always be in print in complete form! Reissuing each title separately instead of doing an identical run of the old box has a lot of benefits; On JP, Mike was able to add the correct film take for one cue, the correct film mix for another, and include the entire OST album as well. It's reasonable to assume that a reissue of The Lost World could have something added too! So yea, anyone hoping for a Lost World reissue could be a person who never had the box, a person who had the box but sold it when they saw the JP reissue (and assumed TLW would follow), or just liked the improvements to JP and would be happy to double dip for TLW too. KittBash, JTN, Amer and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brando 1,893 Posted July 31, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 31, 2023 Yes to all those points! Everybody who wants to should have the option of buying this for all of the juicy percussion cues. Such a fantastic score!! TSMefford, Andy and JTN 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,382 Posted July 31, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 31, 2023 And don't forget percussion only tracks 😉 Andy, enderdrag64 and Brando 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,770 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 I'm all for a separate release of TLW to keep it in print and available - I'd just like to see Davis score given its due first. Although I'd echo prior comments (not in this immediate discussion) that it's a bit hard to see what they would add beyond percussion-only tracks and (shot in the dark) film mix of Ripples. I don't think either are likely as they don't fit the whole 'intended' thing that everyone craves. Plus including the OST would bump it to 3 discs and therefore the price is going up, and someone will complain about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando 1,893 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: I'd just like to see Davis score given its due first. Fair, JP/// does need an expanded issue. 30 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: and someone will complain about that Always! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,511 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 i'm hoping for TLW too (i missed the boxset) the box set cds have each other, and last years JP needs it's companion Brando and Amer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,896 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 If it is The Lost World, I hope it's the exact same programme like the boxset version, or else I will feel compelled to buy it again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,069 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 I’d buy a TLW reissue if Rescuing Sarah was a bit better sounding. Normally I don’t complain but something sounds off with some of the unreleased material to my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,770 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 I prefer the overall sound of the box version of JP - whatever MM did when he re-exported from ProTools didn't sit right for me for a few sections. Plus the film version of JTTI is rushed - one of very few occasions where I actively prefer an alternate version. TLW already gave us the (IMO) superior film edit of the ending and I'm not rebuying an entire score just for one extra cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando 1,893 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 13 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: TLW already gave us the (IMO) superior film edit of the ending and I'm not rebuying an entire score just for one extra cue. Is this referring to Tranquilizer Dart and End Credits? So, When Dart ends, there's a (dialled out in film) drum roll, is this how the End Credits were planned to start? With the drum roll? I'm asking because the track Jurassic Park Theme (End Credits) is very similar, or is it the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,516 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 The track "Tranquilizer Dart" contains the complete cue for the end of the movie. The track "Jurassic Park Theme (End Credits)" contains the complete recording of the concert arrangement from the first film. The track "The Lost World" contains the new end credits music written for TLW (which doubles as the concert arrangement for the score) The track "The Lost World (Alternate)" contains the revised opening for that, which then segues into the rest of the original cue. I don't think Williams' exact and specific intentions for how the end credits should be edited will ever be known, and it could be possible that the end credits length was in flex at the time, so he recorded the one new piece, and the full old arrangement, and knew the music editors would make it all fit. But I've always speculated that his intentions were that after the full "Tranquilizer Dart" cue would cover the final moments of the film, "The Lost World" would open the credits, and then "Jurassic Park Theme" would finish them out. But the final film didn't do that. The "Tranquilizer Dart" cue is interrupted before it has finished, with "Jurassic Park Theme" playing over the end of the film, rolling straight into the end credits. Then an edited amalgam of stuff finishes off the credit roll (it's got the new End Credit Intro, part of the concert arrangement, and other stuff I forget). So the track "Tranquilizer Dart and End Credits (Film Version)" is a new edit Mike made for the LLL album that sort of replicates what the film does, going from mid-way in "Tranquilizer Dart" into mid-way through "Jurassic Park Theme (End Credits)", but the transition is edited better there, than it is in the film itself. (The drum roll you're talking about is from the "Jurassic Park Theme" track, not from "Tranquilizer Dart") Brando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando 1,893 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 6 hours ago, Jay said: So the track "Tranquilizer Dart and End Credits (Film Version)" is a new edit Mike made for the LLL album that sort of replicates what the film does, going from mid-way in "Tranquilizer Dart" into mid-way through "Jurassic Park Theme (End Credits)", but the transition is edited better than the transition in the film itself. (The drum roll you're talking about is from "Jurassic Park Theme") Ah okay, I had figured this much but this had always confused me since it sounded the same. And you’re right about the length and original intentions, because the JP Theme is cut short and overlaps with the opening beats of “The Lost World” which then overlaps with “To the Island” and finally overlaps with “The Lost World End Credit Intro” and even that cue is cut short in the middle and the end. So I think if they strictly used Williams intentions something would’ve had to have been changed since I don’t think they would’ve fit the credits length, unless that was shorter at one point but probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DangerMotif 1,038 Posted August 1, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted August 1, 2023 Star Wars expansion with Liner notes by BDW to be announced tomorrow?😂 Brónach, Amer, Brando and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,511 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 It's just TROS with 'Lando Arrives' as the only addition. I mean shit..... I'd buy it Brando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,447 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 16 minutes ago, DangerMotif said: Star Wars expansion with Liner notes by BDW to be announced tomorrow?😂 John Williams... works every time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,748 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Probably the Lando show. Edmilson and Tallguy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,527 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Realizing that it takes almost nothing at all to get me excited for even the possibility of a new Star Wars expansion. aj_vader and Brando 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Faleel 5,447 Posted August 1, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted August 1, 2023 59 minutes ago, Tallguy said: Realizing that it takes almost nothing at all to get me excited for even the possibility of a new Star Wars expansion. Jurassic Shark, Brando, Holko and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,447 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Aaaallllmoooost there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,516 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 How do you figure? It's not even 8AM yet in MV's local time. He's posted the flyers as late as like 8PM in his local time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,447 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, Jay said: How do you figure? Because it's not July anymore. I know I posted here 3 hours ago, but it hadn't settled in yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,516 Posted August 1, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted August 1, 2023 The August flyer has arrived https://www.facebook.com/lalalandrecords/posts/pfbid028ijjE4Zg5XkUDKgDiLfEicZgoXg5FJNtEkX25W4EUCrSuYpdNbRPjrhcjwxSaGu6l Dr. Rick, Yavar Moradi, JTN and 7 others 6 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,511 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 holy shit yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Yeeeesssss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxTheHouseelf 324 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,627 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Isn't Gorky Park one of Horner's 80s synth scores? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,065 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Awesome, both for me. And Chaplin. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,981 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 It's always wonderful to have another Williams expansion, but I would really wish they'd do one that hasn't had an expansion before in the future. This score remains incredible, so I'm very happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John F 100 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Gorky Park is one of his better “urban” scores. Some synth but more 48 Hours. Wonder if there is anything more on this… thought the prior release was complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,065 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 6 minutes ago, Edmilson said: Isn't Gorky Park one of Horner's 80s synth scores? It is one of those, yes. It's a really good one though. I am chuffed because I missed two previous releases from Kritzerland and Intrada. Horner also wrote a nice Irina's theme: Karol Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,770 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 I'm going to have to be 'that guy' and I apologise for any hypocrisy that may arise forth. But Williams' two Jurassic scores both get expanded and then issued again, before the first score in the series not composed by him even has a hint of being presented properly? It's great that both are now available for those who missed, but.... meh... #3 deserves to be released properly just as much Tallguy and Tom Guernsey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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