Popular Post Smaug The Iron 516 Posted December 15, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 15, 2017 After listening to the album three times I must say that I really like it. Rose’s theme is really good and I liked that a lot of the previous themes returns. Hearing Luke and Leia again was great . rpvee, John and Joni Wiljami 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,838 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 3 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: Word. Nino Rota too. Hmmmm... I think it's most European composers. it's the way film music is scored for European films that they have got used to, which is different from the American way (well, at least the older - pre-2000s - American way) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 I always thought it was a way to save time. Like got the theme, I'll plaster it over a scene, done. Next scene. Obviously is more complicated than that, I'm exaggerating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 So New Alliance is basically John Williams aping Michael Giacchino aping John Williams. The circle is now complete. We have classy bombastic action music turned into mindless directionless bombastic action music with funky drums turned into classy mindless directionless bombastic action music with funky drums. Jacck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,844 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 I don't really understand the Michael Giacchino reference but I agree with how you describe New Alliance. I posted earlier that that scene really called for something more dramatic, where the music comments on the turn of events and not follow so closely the action itself. A real missed opportunity there. However the percussion on the track is quite good, just not in the film. Overall, I found much of the action in the movie kind of aimless and I think JW scores it similarly: loud, directionless, brassy action music with no real drama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alex 2,835 Posted December 15, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 15, 2017 The Fathiers is slowly becoming one of my favourite JW action cues BLUMENKOHL, Joni Wiljami and Tiburon 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan 689 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 I can't get enough of The Supremacy! That and The Spark are fast becoming my favourite tracks on the album, particularly having now seen the film. Breadstick Basilisk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 How do people feel about Ren's theme in "Peace and Purpose"? I wonder if not expanding on it throughout the score like he does there was a missed opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,844 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 The Supremacy, The Spark, and the End Credits (but not the pre-credits music) are the 3 best tracks on the album. The 4th track might be 4th and Canto Bight minus the actual non-diegetic music in the beginning is just really fun. But is the new band music actually meant to be diegetic like the cantina band music or just an intentional stylistic shift? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 5 hours ago, hornist said: You must have noticed it was sarcasm. Two posts above, KK, idiot. You haven't noticed I noticed your sarcasm, and replied with another appropriate sarcasm, so, who's the idiot? But keep your username, it's fitting, because you blow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Sorry if I haven't been keeping up but is the theme in 'The Spark' what inspired the tv spot/ trailer music, or the other way around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 35 minutes ago, Arpy said: Sorry if I haven't been keeping up but is the theme in 'The Spark' what inspired the tv spot/ trailer music, or the other way around? What? You have to be joking right? You think Williams wrote that after hearing the trailer? LOL, the score was done 6 months before the trailer came out. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 And again..... WOODWINDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 On 12/15/2017 at 10:45 PM, ocelot said: What? You have to be joking right? You think Williams wrote that after hearing the trailer? LOL, the score was done 6 months before the trailer came out. Hey, at this point I have no fucking clue. Such a fickle thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 On 12/15/2017 at 11:08 PM, ocelot said: And again..... WOODWINDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Told you! And xylophones! And more percussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 On 12/15/2017 at 11:12 PM, Arpy said: Hey, at this point I have no fucking clue. Such a fickle thing. A JWfanner should know better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 13 minutes ago, Arpy said: Hey, at this point I have no fucking clue. Such a fickle thing. Haha, well, I always know nothing, but on this I know, any trailer is done way after scores of movies are in the can, well generally, unless a composer is fired and people are scrambling to finish shit last minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 At least my conscience is clear now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 9 minutes ago, ocelot said: Haha, well, I always know nothing Its fine dear, atleast you're pretty. ocelot and Jacck 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 The best cues are The Cave and Chrome Dome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 19 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Its fine dear, atleast you're pretty. haha, I'm f***ing gorgeous!!! Jacck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Sure princess! ocelot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted December 16, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2017 F*** me the first track of TLJ is amazing. Didn't care for it much at all at first but now I can't get enough of it. Those "March of the Resistance" quotes especially. Amazing stuff. I'm starting to unlock this thing after a disappointing first few listens and it's great. DarthDementous, Breadstick Basilisk, greenturnedblue and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Listened to the OST. Haven't seen the movie yet. Lacks some of the wow moments that TFA had. Falls back on repeating old tropes, and quotes older films almost verbatim. Seems to lack an identifying quality that characterises it, like TFA had Rey's theme, ROTS had Battle of the Heroes, AOTC had ATS, TPM had DotF and Anakin's Theme, etc. But what does TLJ have? Overall, it's amazing orchestral music, but feels, I dunno, more like textured wallpaper than its more highlight-heavy predecessors? Maybe I shouldn't look forward to these scores so much in the future. And if reactions to the film are anything to go by, maybe Williams ought to hang it up and let someone else take on the next one. Maybe Hans Zimmer could have a turn. Pieter Boelen, ocelot and filmmusic 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 894 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Lots to say about this, much of which has already been said, but I haven’t seen any references to 0:30-35 of “Peace and Purpose.” I swear this melody is in ANH, but I listened through “Tales of a Jedi Knight,” “Burning Homestead,” and “Binary Sunset” just now and can’t find it. I’m picturing it on low strings—celli or basses. Does anybody hear this? Is it just me? I swear I’m not making this up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Although must add it does give me some satisfaction hearing Leia's theme performed on piano in the Finale track as it reminds me of someone posting on the TFN forums maybe 17 years ago declaring that he never wanted to hear a piano in a SW. Yeah, suck that one, mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 16, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2017 There's piano in the TESB score. Breadstick Basilisk, ocelot and DarthDementous 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 I think every film has piano, just not usually prominently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justanothercrow421 110 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 2 hours ago, Brundlefly said: The best cues are The Cave and Chrome Dome. Chrome Dome is such an amazing piece of action music. Stuck out during the film as a moment I knew I immediately wanted to revisit. DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BTR1701 59 Posted December 16, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2017 18 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: I think every film has piano, just not usually prominently. "Battle in the Snow" from EMPIRE prominently featured two grand pianos, pounding out that bellicose ascending and descending triplet figure that heralded the advancing Imperial walkers. Jacck, Remco, Damien F and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 When was the last time John Williams wrote something as down-to-the-ground brutal as the last minute of Chrome Dome? Jacck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 When was the last time Williams such an intense, high energy, crazy score. No wonder passed on RPO. DarthDementous and Joni Wiljami 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,083 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 3 hours ago, Denise Bryson said: if reactions to the film are anything to go by, maybe Williams ought to hang it up and let someone else take on the next one. Maybe Hans Zimmer could have a turn. You must be joking If not: Ban her! ocelot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 16, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2017 She's joking. No human being is that stupid. Bilbo, Jurassic Shark, Taikomochi and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 She, her... lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 She-Ra, Princess of Power. ocelot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 I hear Battle of the Heroes in there a lot. 6:15 - 6:44 Also 2:31 sounds like BB8's little motif, where in TFA he rolls across the sand after seeing Poe's X -Wing blow up. DarthDementous and DominicCobb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,318 Posted December 16, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2017 So I've completed my first film viewing, two OST listens and have been listening to isolated tracks all night. I was a little negative last night focusing on the things I didn't like about the score, as I was still digesting the film itself (which I consider flawed but ultimately an excellent and daring addition to the series). The score, overall, is sublime. This has to be the most thematically dense score in the entire series, and surely the most slavish JW has been to existing thematic material. For months we've speculated what TFA themes would be jettisoned prequel-style (considering his disinterest in developing his prequel themes across that trilogy) but instead we find a score rich with development of almost every theme from TFA. I'm sure we'll debate the merits of this OST presentation for years to come, lamenting that so and so wasn't included (and yeah, why on earth they recorded Main Titles fresh but reused the TFA recording), but this is an almighty OST with nary a dull moment. An earlier poster put it brilliantly when they said JW was clearly shaking the dust off with TFA and took a while to get back in the swing of things, but TLJ feels like no time has passed at all since he finished with ROTS. I often comment that parts of TFA don't sound particularly Star Wars-y, especially the thin underscore, as if JW was going through the motions and still recapturing that 'mode' of writing style. As if the further along he went the more Star Wars-y his cues felt. This score is just effortless, a gob-smacking triumph for a man at 85, writing music with such complexity it puts most other film composers to shame. Bravo to the mixing department (Murphy and Sullivan) for their sublime mix. It retains the clarity of TFA's recording but we've returned to a fuller orchestral sound. Far less heavy on the brass, it's a wetter recording that feels right at home with the LSO's prequel scores. Amazing how two scores by the same orchestra on the same stage with the same recording setup can have such a radically different sound! Really makes you question why they went so dry and brass-focused with TFA (a recording which, after hearing live with a full orchestra, was a real disservice to the score as performed). And although the film seems light on new material upon first listen, there's at least 4 significant new ideas that I've picked up on: Rose's Theme Luke's Island Life Theme New First Order Motif/Fanfare (first heard in Escape and reprised throughout the complete score) Admiral Holdo's Theme (mostly unreleased) I'm only at page 7 of this thread but these are just my initial thoughts. Muad'Dib, Cerebral Cortex, Smeltington and 10 others 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Well said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 9 hours ago, gkgyver said: You haven't noticed I noticed your sarcasm, and replied with another appropriate sarcasm, so, who's the idiot? But keep your username, it's fitting, because you blow. Idiot was for KK but it fits you also, idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,318 Posted December 16, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2017 And yeah, the last minute of The Spark has to be the most perfect combination of visuals, direction and music Williams has been involved with for well over a decade. I can't even describe how I felt watching this sequence unfold, after the most heartbreaking reappearance of Luke & Leia (first time in 34 years!). There is just no other living composer who could've written anything better for that scene; utter perfection right down to the last note. To say the entire crowd was in awe watching this sequence would be an understatement. The level of engrossment in the theater was palpable, due in no small part to the music. I don't recall a single moment in TFA, not even Solo's death, with this level of filmic aspiration. Probably the only thing from TFA that comes close, so far as perfect synergy between music and images, would be Jedi Steps? I just really wish they found a way to cut down that middle act, because the film grinds to a halt for half an hour. They should've removed that entire Del Toro/Canto Bight subplot and had Rose/Finn break into the Supremacy straight away. It was also a huge mistake, in a film with only two main story threads, to have such a static and helpless plotline. The characters are basically stranded and incapable of doing anything for about 90 minutes, which really deflates the drama. I kept thinking, 'get on with it,' which is never a good sign for your pacing. leeallen01, Taikomochi, Holko and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 This music is too good for this forum, bunch of arrogant idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 13 hours ago, Muad'Dib said: I always thought it was a way to save time. Like got the theme, I'll plaster it over a scene, done. Next scene. Obviously is more complicated than that, I'm exaggerating. It is how Morricone could get 500+ scores in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,083 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 1 minute ago, TheUlyssesian said: It is how Morricone could get 500+ scores in his career. Yup, Henry Ford would be proud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 For me, this minute or so has to be the most evocative music in the score. Certainly the closest he comes to the classy restraint of TFA, where he paints so much imagery with so few strokes of the brush, in a score otherwise filled with such energetic bombast: As with all good Star Wars music, you only need to close your eyes and allow John to paint the images in your mind. DarthDementous and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 So having seen the film, some general non-spoiler thoughts on the music from the new trilogy. I think from the main 4 characters, only two have memorable themes. Rey - Magnificent theme again used to great effect throughout the score Kylo - Memorable themes reprised often again to great effect Poe - I ultimately think this is a weak theme. Not particularly memorable. Finn - I am correct to say he doesn't have a theme? I think what we branded as Finn's theme in TFA was not his theme at all. It always sounded like an action motif rather than a character theme. Not a bad scorecard but the original trilogy fared better obviously with 3 of the 4 main characters getting great themes in Leia, Luke and Vader. Only Han didn't get a character theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,838 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 12 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: It is how Morricone could get 500+ scores in his career. Also I haven't listened to a Morricone score that has the intricate texture and orchestration of a Williams or a Goldsmith or a Horner etc. score. This plays a part too, because these musical procedures take time to write. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 It's arguable that Han Solo and the Princess is Han's theme. Williams has referred to it as such. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 What, in a fleeting mention in that interview, 15 years removed from Return of the Jedi? There is no thematic material for Han, as a character. The love theme belongs more to the princess, musically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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