mrbellamy 6,287 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: A thought I hadn't admitted to until now: when the article mentioned that he was recording Fabelmans next month I couldn't but think "oh thank goodness that means he's probably finished or just about finished writing the score so if the worst happens, they can still record the music he wrote" I know, and it's stupid because obviously the score wouldn't be the important thing at that point, but the reality is my relationship with John Williams is very one-sided and so that would be my experience of loss. Cerebral Cortex and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedijim 3 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 I guess my reaction to this article is one of melancholy. I certainly understand his desire to now focus on music that is either his alone or for a treasured collaborator, but I will miss the excitement of seeing his name on a movie poster or listening to a new soundtrack of his for the first time. However, IMHO, I wish he'd set aside a chunk of time to write an autobiography, or a least an "As Told To" John Burlingame for instance. A proper historical remembrance of, as others have said, one of the last of the golden age titans who's experiences and recollections span decades of Hollywood history. Williams has been asked about this, of course, and has humbly expressed, at least publicly, no desire to do so. But one can wish that someone can convince him that his thoughts and anecdotes would be treasured by generations of fans. Of late, it does seem like he's taking care to preserve his legacy in the way he desires, so I remain hopeful his personal journey in his own words, (at least posthumously) will be shared with an adoring world. Brando and Steve 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bollemanneke 3,348 Posted February 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2022 I honestly don't care what he does next as long as he's happy. As for everyone who is lamenting the fact that these two scores might be his last... Honestly, he's given us enough. Anything, whatever it is, that he does or conducts is a gift. If the Berlin concert had been his last ever undertaking, I would still have been over the moon. Holko, MikeH and GerateWohl 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 12 minutes ago, jedijim said: I guess my reaction to this article is one of melancholy. I certainly understand his desire to now focus on music that is either his alone or for a treasured collaborator, but I will miss the excitement of seeing his name on movie poster or listening to a new soundtrack of his for the first time. However, IMHO, I wish he'd set aside a chunk of time to write an autobiography, or a least an "As Told To" John Burlingame for instance. A proper historical reverberance of, as others have said, one of the last of the golden age titans who's experiences and recollections span decades of Hollywood history. Williams has been asked about this, of course, and has humbly expressed, at least publicly, no desire to do so. But one can wish that someone can convince him that his thoughts and anecdotes would be treasured by generations of fans. Of late, it does seem like he's taking care to preserve his legacy in the way he desires, so I remain hopeful his personal journey in his own words, (at least posthumously) will be shared with an adoring world. 100% agree that somebody just needs to get ahold of JW for like a week of 3 hour interviews and put them in a book for posterity. He'd probably do it for Burlingame, Alex Ross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 If Spielberg makes another movie after the Fabelmans and Williams is still happy and healthy there's no way he won't score it. Brando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 I will say the one quote in there that we've all ignored is that Spielberg said he "feels pretty secure" and that Williams promised him he'd keep doing it. So JW may also just be hedging his bets here like usual. For all intents and purposes I'm still taking it as a retirement announcement. Two final scores is awesome news. More would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 894 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 23 minutes ago, jedijim said: However, IMHO, I wish he'd set aside a chunk of time to write an autobiography, or a least an "As Told To" John Burlingame for instance. A proper historical reverberance of, as others have said, one of the last of the golden age titans who's experiences and recollections span decades of Hollywood history. Williams has been asked about this, of course, and has humbly expressed, at least publicly, no desire to do so. But one can wish that someone can convince him that his thoughts and anecdotes would be treasured by generations of fans. Of late, it does seem like he's taking care to preserve his legacy in the way he desires, so I remain hopeful his personal journey in his own words, (at least posthumously) will be shared with an adoring world. I've dreamed about this for years! Think of the stories. It blows my mind, for example, that at some point in the mid-Sixties, John Williams and Frank Sinatra had to sit down and have multiple conversations about film score spotting for None But the Brave. That might be my number-one fly-on-the-wall scenario of all time. MikeH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedijim 3 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Or meeting Stravinsky at the How to Steal A Million premiere... even if it was just a polite salutation, I would love to hear Williams' personal reaction and thoughts of said encounter. Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted February 15, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2022 15 hours ago, jedijim said: However, IMHO, I wish he'd set aside a chunk of time to write an autobiography, or a least an "As Told To" John Burlingame for instance. A proper historical remembrance of, as others have said, one of the last of the golden age titans who's experiences and recollections span decades of Hollywood history. Williams has been asked about this, of course, and has humbly expressed, at least publicly, no desire to do so. But one can wish that someone can convince him that his thoughts and anecdotes would be treasured by generations of fans. Of late, it does seem like he's taking care to preserve his legacy in the way he desires, so I remain hopeful his personal journey in his own words, (at least posthumously) will be shared with an adoring world. Williams has often expressed his desire of not being the subject of a biography, at least something officially endorsed. It seems he’s just not the type who would sit down and start to say “Look at what I’ve done.” Also, he probably always felt too much “in the game” to ponder the idea of stopping and looking back at his career. Even now at 90, his look points ahead rather than behind. He hasn’t prevented and will not prevent any “unofficial” efforts of writing texts on him however, so I expect more than a book on the subject in the future. That being said, any biography with an aim of completeness should be done with the direct involvement of the subject if he or she is still around. Williams has always been very careful about what he says and details about his personal life. I think he would open up only to someone who has his complete and total trust, even better if it’s a person he utterly admires and respects. Jon Burlingame is likely the only one who could fill these requirements in the publishing world. But it would be even better if Steven Spielberg would be entrusted to produce and direct a feature-length documentary (like Tornatore did with Morricone recently). He always had an unprecedented access to JW and also knows very well the history of film music so he would get the context perfectly. Imho, he’s the only one who could make something truly worth of him. michael_grig, Fabulin, Andy and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted February 15, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2022 After the fabelmans, Spielberg could do the Townermans and tell us williams life! Scored by tomas newman :p Martinland, Edmilson, Fabulin and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,370 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 There are too few bio pics about director composer relationships. Movies about musicians usually follw almost the same pattern all the time: Youngster falling in love with music, evolving, being discovered, getting famous, the downfall/crisis, rise again, then either musical event of their life or downfall again and death by accident, drugs, suicide or all of it. Probably, this does not match with film music composers that usually spent most time just working, getting wealthy and old, no scandals etc. But this whole development of film composers, especially Williams, getting rejected by classical music community and getting accepted after long years, at last conducting big philharmonic orchestras would be a story worth telling or not? I want to see that movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Once 605 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 15 hours ago, Jay said: If Spielberg makes another movie after the Fabelmans and Williams is still happy and healthy there's no way he won't score it. I agree. Also, since 2005 we've had many periods where we never knew if Williams would score another film ever again. Now we know he has two films in the pipeline - that's more than we usual can be sure of. Let's see what happens after Indiana Jones 5 (film score-wise - luckily we know he's gonna keep writing music as long as he's able). Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 16 hours ago, Jay said: If Spielberg makes another movie after the Fabelmans and Williams is still happy and healthy there's no way he won't score it. I think it might depend on the type of film. For example, if Spielberg made Ready Player One next year, I don't see Williams being interested. On the other hand, if he circles back to a film like Edgardo Mortara, I could see JW scoring it. For some reason I think Spielberg is finished with making big budget genre films now anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 1 hour ago, GerateWohl said: There are too few bio pics about director composer relationships. Movies about musicians usually follw almost the same pattern all the time: Youngster falling in love with music, evolving, being discovered, getting famous, the downfall/crisis, rise again, then either musical event of their life or downfall again and death by accident, drugs, suicide or all of it. Probably, this does not match with film music composers that usually spent most time just working, getting wealthy and old, no scandals etc. But this whole development of film composers, especially Williams, getting rejected by classical music community and getting accepted after long years, at last conducting big philharmonic orchestras would be a story worth telling or not? I want to see that movie. Btw, I didn't mean Spielberg doing a JW biopic, but an actual documentary. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,370 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, TownerFan said: Btw, I didn't mean Spielberg doing a JW biopic, but an actual documentary. That would probably be the best. All that footage that Spielberg created by filming his scoring sessions over the years must be good for something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,658 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 When do you think interview with Williams was done? Sometimes these are a full month or so in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Tom said: When do you think interview with Williams was done? Sometimes these are a full month or so in advance. I reckon we'll see hints of the recording sessions on the JKMS social media page when the sessions start. But yeah, in all likelihood the interview took place in January, so they might be recording this month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Well the "next month" part was Burlingame, not a direct Williams quote, and Burlingame knew when this article was being published. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTenma 116 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 On 14/02/2022 at 12:24 PM, GerateWohl said: If this is sad news for you, I conclude you are planning to stay in your day job until you are 100? Sorry for kidding. But for me this is great news in every possible way. This 90 year old fellow plans to continue making music! Writing. Conducting. I mean, how good could it get? After all the rumours and stories how this worked in ithe production of Rise of Skywalker and how much he had to work for the trash can, I think, it is also much more valuable for us fans to get more of his concert works rather than another score. hahaha I plan for that, indeed That's why I said I understand him, is a sad news for me and for cinema. I usually enjoy more his movie scores than concerts but is his choice not mine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted February 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 16, 2022 A new (and much more dignified, imho) portrait of Maestro JW from the same set of pictures shot for the NYT piece: https://www.instagram.com/p/CZ-lfdUh8CN/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link Jay, Cerebral Cortex, Brando and 9 others 10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GerateWohl 4,370 Posted February 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 16, 2022 When 90 years old, I reach… Look as good, I will not. Fabulin, Brando and Jurassic Shark 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Speaking for myself, things can only go one way from where I am now. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,109 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Being the last Spielberg score- I suppose there will be plenty of media coverage. And hoping that once Spielberg wraps this one up he actually compile and make a formal documentary on Williams alomng with the footages he has collected so far from their entire collaborations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Man, that pic is legendary. Immediately iconic. Feels like the pic all the history books will use. MaxTheHouseelf and Fabulin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Was I the only one who liked the stylized photos in the NYT piece? I liked them a lot actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,364 Posted February 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 16, 2022 14 hours ago, TownerFan said: A new (and much more dignified, imho) portrait of Maestro JW from the same set of pictures shot for the NYT piece: https://www.instagram.com/p/CZ-lfdUh8CN/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link Thanks, Maurizio! I saved a copy of the photo here in case they ever take it down off instagram BB-8, Brando, TownerFan and 4 others 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Jay said: Wow; that is awesome! Unfortunately, now I have to decide between keeping the photo of the Maestro taken for the Christmas 2020 issue of BBC Music or use this photo instead for my Apple playlist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Any chance of getting this photo in a higher resolution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 How? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 What for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,894 Posted February 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 17, 2022 55 minutes ago, JohnnyD said: Any chance of getting this photo in a higher resolution? This big enough? Williams-NYTimes.jpg (3840×4802) (ibb.co) If not I have an even bigger one: Williams-NYTimes2.jpg (6477×8100) (ibb.co) BB-8, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and Andy 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 How'd you find those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,658 Posted February 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 17, 2022 The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. Edmilson, Fabulin, BB-8 and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,894 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 14 minutes ago, Jay said: How'd you find those? AI upscale. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 He's missing his glasses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Maybe he got contacts finally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 10 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: This big enough? Williams-NYTimes.jpg (3840×4802) (ibb.co) If not I have an even bigger one: Williams-NYTimes2.jpg (6477×8100) (ibb.co) Yes! Thanks. 10 hours ago, Not Mr. Big said: What for? To possibly use for my Apple playlist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gurkensalat 340 Posted February 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 17, 2022 On 15/02/2022 at 2:30 PM, crypto said: I think it might depend on the type of film. For example, if Spielberg made Ready Player One next year, I don't see Williams being interested. Wouldn't that be Ready Player Two?? If I could wish for one more score from Williams after those 2, I would like to order Tintin 2, please. But I fear, that project will not be continued, since nothing is being heard about it. Once, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and Jurassic Shark 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 I don't think Spielberg is interested in making that kind of movie again. Ready Player One was the last "light adventure" film he makes would be my bet. Just see him pulling out of directing Indy 5. They can blame it on "scheduling conflicts" all they want, but if Spielberg really wanted to make it, they would have made it work for him. I firmly believe that. Canyoubay Liever and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Unless Marvel actually convinces Spielberg to do a superhero movie. They already got Sam Raimi, it's all a matter of time before hiring every major director in Hollywood... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 17 minutes ago, Edmilson said: Unless Marvel actually convinces Spielberg to do a superhero movie. They already got Sam Raimi, it's all a matter of time before hiring every major director in Hollywood... I hope this never happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Sam Raimi is working within the confines of the Disney-Marvel system because his career was on the outs. Now Spielberg definitely has less industry power than he used to, he hasn't directed a bonafide hit since Lincoln after all, but he's coming down from a position of much greater power than Raimi ever dreamed of. I think Spielberg will coast on enough power that he won't have to swallow his pride before the end of his career. He will continue to make only what he wants, just for smaller budgets than he'd probably like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,478 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 11 hours ago, King Mark said: He's missing his glasses He left them in Berlin as one of DG's signed fan items. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 11 hours ago, King Mark said: He's missing his glasses He traded them for a cookie. BB-8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 3 hours ago, Disco Stu said: I don't think Spielberg is interested in making that kind of movie again. Ready Player One was the last "light adventure" film he makes would be my bet. Just see him pulling out of directing Indy 5. They can blame it on "scheduling conflicts" all they want, but if Spielberg really wanted to make it, they would have made it work for him. I firmly believe that. I don't think they ever said anything about scheduling conflicts? The announcement seemed pretty clear in saying his reason was that he just decided not to do it and he wanted to hand it to a younger filmmaker. Not that Mangold is even that young lol. 2 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Now Spielberg definitely has less industry power than he used to, he hasn't directed a bonafide hit since Lincoln after all How are Bridge of Spies and Ready Player One not bonafide hits? They both grossed more than 3x their reported budgets and had positive reviews (granted RPO was no major critical hit relative to his others but it was "certified fresh" anyway) I guess Lincoln had a bigger impact, the best reviews of the three, and a more impressive box office relative to expectations, it's kind of the most in Spielberg's "canon" but I think those other two would only add to his security within the industry. RPO was expensive as hell and did very well considering it had no stars and the book was not really a major IP. I think any studio would be very happy to have an equivalent Ready Player One performer every year. I do think if he was eager to make another action-adventure, then it's curious he didn't do Indy 5, but he's weird sometimes with his choices. He was never quite as passionate about Indy, anyway, and it could have had as much to do with him not really feeling it without Lucas. He's so driven by his love of scripts as a director and the Indy sequels are the only movies that he really did for George #1, even Last Crusade was a favor when he really wanted to do Rain Man at the time. StilI I wouldn't be that surprised if he ended up directing some other original genre script he liked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 I will eat nails if Ready Player One made any profit. Nearly half of its gross came from Chinese box office, and while that market is obviously very important to these tentpole kinda movies, never forget that the Hollywood studios get a significantly smaller percentage of ticket sales from China than they do in America. As important as China is as a film market, RP1 bombed in America and that matters. I'm sure Bridge of Spies broke even, but they were definitely hoping for a Lincoln size hit and it just wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Two fair points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 31 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: StilI I wouldn't be that surprised if he ended up directing some other original genre script he liked. It'd be cool if he returned to serious sci-fi, but I guess he got that out of his system by WOTW. Serious sci-fi Spielberg is related enough to my favorite, Civics teacher Spielberg, that it would get me excited. And actually now that I think of it, there's definitely a through-line about freedom and authoritarianism connecting his historical films with his hard sci-fi films. Marian Schedenig and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 It's too bad West Side Story bombed because if JW's opting out, then I'd just as soon see Spielberg do Broadway musicals the rest of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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